Ben Warrington (KidCardiff6) is a scammer

[LeKnave]

Interested in Rupert's comment in the 2+2 thread.

Which other UK players have been exposed as scammers?

link pls

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=47560275&postcount=82

[Rupert]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

[Doobs]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/232/transaction-feedback-disputes/jack-mcdermott-jmcd_89-warren-bennett-wozzle9-scammers-thieves-1543394/

Cliffs JMcD and friend were backed for tournaments.  Backer can no longer back them so let's them go writing off MU, but buys 12.5% stake in SCOOP. JMcD wins 200k and tells ex backer to F off, friend wins smaller amount and also tells ex backer to F off.  This is in addition to the other poster JMcD didn't pay.

[Chompy]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

Pieface from Big Brother?

[The Camel]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

Played with this person a couple of times live, seemed like a good player.

Also, is that a picture of Sam Grafton in the IMs? If so, what has he got to do with this?

[AndrewT]

No money in poker, everyone's scamming.

[Doobs]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

Played with this person a couple of times live, seemed like a good player.

Also, is that a picture of Sam Grafton in the IMs? If so, what has he got to do with this?

Think it safe to assume it is nothing to do with him and he is either in a separate chat at the same time or somebody has nicked his photo.  Pads is in the 2nd IM shot with his dog too.  

[mulhuzz]

JMCD89, think he's had trouble with other backers too but that's an unsubstantiated claim

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/scam-alert-evidence-jack-mc-dermott-stars-jmcd_89-scoop-2015-cash-close-200k-usd-1543104/

Played with this person a couple of times live, seemed like a good player.

Also, is that a picture of Sam Grafton in the IMs? If so, what has he got to do with this?

Think it safe to assume it is nothing to do with him and he is either in a separate chat at the same time or somebody has nicked his photo.  Pads is in the 2nd IM shot with his dog too.  

It's a mix of both. The account has Sam as a profile pic (obv not him) and pads is there because it's a separate chat that the poster is having with Pads at the same time as being called a cheeky German *unt in the other box.

[GreekStein]

John O'Shea randomly playing some of the biggest games online vs some of the toughest opponents too atm.

Didn't think he was a battler like that.

[Marky147]

John O'Shea randomly playing some of the biggest games online vs some of the toughest opponents too atm.

Didn't think he was a battler like that.

Bumped into Hayestings at WSOP?

His blog used to be a good read back along.

[SuuPRlim]

John O'Shea randomly playing some of the biggest games online vs some of the toughest opponents too atm.

Didn't think he was a battler like that.

Played a fair amount of big, tough games with John.
He's a degen

[tikay]

On the facts as we know them, which do you consider is the most reprehensible?


The Ben Warrington situation.

The Brian Hastings situation.

And why?

[Ironside]

Warrington out right theft imho
Hasting is just very shady

Sooner or later a site is going to come up with webcams on
Epically for the larger buy in HU tables

[The Camel]

On the facts as we know them, which do you consider is the most reprehensible?


The Ben Warrington situation.

The Brian Hastings situation.

And why?

I think scams like the one Ben Warrington pulled are among the worst possible because they are premeditated theft.

The more common one of a player winning money and then pissing it away at roulette/blackjack/cash games are down to the player being a degen gambler.

Much easier to forgive a degenerate gambler than a con man IMO. (Although impossible to trust either ever again)

[SuuPRlim]

On the facts as we know them, which do you consider is the most reprehensible?


The Ben Warrington situation.

The Brian Hastings situation.

And why?

I almost don't consider them in the same bracket, r.e hastings; its gambling he's breaking some rules to give himself an advantage, one side could argue that this is the job of a pro gambler - sneaking out edges wherever they are.
Obviously it's unethical, but others who are pro gamblers should be on the look out to protect themselves from this.

R.e Ben this isnt finding a edge, this is saying "il do this for $X and not doing it" that goes against all principles.

I know some guys who would MA, collude, angle anything to get an edge in gambling, but if they ever say they will pay $x or do Y then they always do...

All's fair on the felt but your word should be your word.