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« on: January 31, 2006, 04:10:16 PM » |
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I am sure that this has been discussed before but how the hell to you explain and justify your poker hobby/habit/addiction to those who dont understand. They still think all gambling is bad and that i will lose. Please refer me to previous threads on this subject or give me something i can say to these people who dont believe and understand when i tell them that i make money. Cheers
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yt
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2006, 04:15:06 PM » |
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It's an equal chance game. On par with paying £10 to go bowling with the added bonus that you can make a bit of money. And if you lose? You haven't lost because it's part of your entertainment budget just like someone elses Pub/cinema/hobby money.
Quite honestly if you play within your means then it's not a problem.
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matt674
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 04:16:19 PM » |
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If you're continually making a profit - then who cares what other people think!!  |
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AdamM
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 04:17:16 PM » |
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say "poker isn't gambling. Playing poker against me is gambling" ten explain that it's a game of equal chance where most people play badly so a good player over the edium and long term can make a substantial profit. then mention there are an estimated 50 million regular or semi regular poker players world wide, and that the majority are giving hteir money away.
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simonjjj
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2006, 04:19:08 PM » |
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Tried the one about it being a hobby blah blah blah. People are still very sceptical. Dont let it get out of control etc etc.... Yo will end up losing etc etc ......
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simonjjj
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2006, 04:21:36 PM » |
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I like that one Adam. Anymore ideas would be very welcome. Also anyone what a rough % is of winning players is? I heard that only approx 5% people make a profit from playing online. Is this true?
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2006, 04:22:24 PM » |
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have you explained the differance in a cash game and a tourney? limited risk etc
5-10% is about right.
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AdamM
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 04:25:12 PM » |
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in a way they're right though. I'm beoming increasingly away of bad players in the local casino seeming to lose more than they can afford. Sunday afternoon towards the end of the afternoon game players start turning up trying to get an hour dealing the cash game to get the buy in together for the evening game. if they're not doing that they're trying to nip any finalists they know from the afternoon game. there's always been these people I suppose but they seem to be increasing in numbers.
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matt674
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2006, 04:26:01 PM » |
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Also anyone what a rough % is of winning players is? I heard that only approx 5% people make a profit from playing online. Is this true?
It shouldnt matter what the % figure is - just so long as you are one of them. You should think about you and your game only and not worry about how many other people out there are losing players. Its a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest - may the best man/woman/monkey win..... |
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2006, 04:28:11 PM » |
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you cant,
people are pre disposed to thinking that gambling/poker is dangerous and that players are all on a slippery slope. they believe that anyone who gambles is obviously compulsive and "it`ll get a grip of them" and before long you`ll be skint, lose yer house and end up drinking rainwater out a ditch.
it comes from people who have a fear of "calculated risk" and no idea of themselves. No well explained and fully open discussion on the subject will change their opinion. Its also a lack of trust.
i have given up trying to justify gambling or explaining why i play poker other than to say i have been gambling and playing poker for a combined period of 25 odd years and i still havent tasted ditchwater....I`d like to bet that more people who own a credit card and a penchant for shopping or a fast lifestyle end up in trouble than your average poker player.
You need good self control and good self analysis to be a good poker player (there are of course notable exceptions).
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 04:29:53 PM » |
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Simon, why do you feel the need to justify your poker playing to people? If they don't believe you, sod 'em - get new friends who aren't inclined to think you're a liar.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 04:35:37 PM » |
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I get this all the time as well... " there is no skill...it is just luck....you will lose all your money"
I always tell them what Matt Damon's character said in Rounders to his girlfriend " Why is it the same five guys make it to the final table ever year in the W.S.O.P.....what are they the luckiest guys in Las Vegas...its a skill game"....or something along those lines
Actually most people who say this to me are probably correct with the way I have been playing in ring games recently. Lots and Lots of bad games, mostly brought about by myself.
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matt674
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 04:36:32 PM » |
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you cant,
people are pre disposed to thinking that gambling/poker is dangerous and that players are all on a slippery slope. they believe that anyone who gambles is obviously compulsive and "it`ll get a grip of them" and before long you`ll be skint, lose yer house and end up drinking rainwater out a ditch.
it comes from people who have a fear of "calculated risk" and no idea of themselves. No well explained and fully open discussion on the subject will change their opinion. Its also a lack of trust.
i have given up trying to justify gambling or explaining why i play poker other than to say i have been gambling and playing poker for a combined period of 25 odd years and i still havent tasted ditchwater....I`d like to bet that more people who own a credit card and a penchant for shopping or a fast lifestyle end up in trouble than your average poker player.
You need good self control and good self analysis to be a good poker player (there are of course notable exceptions).
  I've always said you need three key foundations to be a succesful poker player: patience, discipline and good bankroll management. Obviously you then need the skill and ability to be able to win but without the foundations there in the first place you will not be as succesful - hence why you hear so many stories of world class players going broke because they dont have the foundations in place.... |
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 04:46:21 PM » |
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Simon, why do you feel the need to justify your poker playing to people? If they don't believe you, sod 'em - get new friends who aren't inclined to think you're a liar.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 04:51:13 PM » |
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I've had no luck justifying what I do to my parents.
My Mum always tells me that my Dad is really worried about me. My Dad regularly says that my Mum is concerned about what I do. I think they've come across this strategy independantly of one another and I always find it amusing.
To be fair to them, they have promised to let me fly them to Vegas if I ever get to the WSOP final table. I think that's what it'll take to get them to accept my profession.
They manage to deal with it because they know I have a job (even though they don't know it's only part-time) and that I'm intending to further my academic career.
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