SWING LOWWW - The Rugby World Cup Thread

[kukushkin88]

It was an OK game but only in spite of the refereeing. All of the AB''s first four scores have massive and obvious offence's in the build up. After that it stopped being a game of rugby and became a shambles.

[kukushkin88]

and I don't mean small niggly things. The two accidental off-sides are calling NO's integrity in to question, ruined a good RWC.

[kukushkin88]

For the avoidance of doubt that it was close. Watch it again, twice a Kiwi ball carrier smashed in to the back of his own player in open field, how was this ignored?  A total farce, in baseball it would be a struck from the stats with a squiggle. The offence when it happens is amongst the most obvious in all of sport.

[AlunB]

When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.12

[rinswun]

For the avoidance of doubt that it was close. Watch it again, twice a Kiwi ball carrier smashed in to the back of his own player in open field, how was this ignored?  A total farce, in baseball it would be a struck from the stats with a squiggle. The offence when it happens is amongst the most obvious in all of sport.

Looking forward to  rewatching it. Watching it first time round, I didn't notice anything particularly untoward and I rate Owens as the best in the world. Will report back tomorrow but sounds like a wallet moan.

[kukushkin88]

When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.12

Yep, this. A wonderfully refereed WC has been damaged by last night and tonight. As it happens penalties should have been awarded both times, they scored specifically because of the obstruction once and immediately after in the second instance. I thought the ref, who I've been calling the best in the world for 5-6 years, was absolutely dreadful. Just as an additional example, the forward pass for the 3rd penalty is incredible, you need a specific angle to be sure it's further sideways than forward.

[kukushkin88]

For the avoidance of doubt that it was close. Watch it again, twice a Kiwi ball carrier smashed in to the back of his own player in open field, how was this ignored?  A total farce, in baseball it would be a struck from the stats with a squiggle. The offence when it happens is amongst the most obvious in all of sport.

Looking forward to  rewatching it. Watching it first time round, I didn't notice anything particularly untoward and I rate Owens as the best in the world. Will report back tomorrow but sounds like a wallet moan.

Not a penny on the game or either team. I'll save the wallet moan for the bizarre extra time in the first half at SB.

[AlunB]

When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.12

Yep, this. A wonderfully refereed WC has been damaged by last night and tonight. As it happens penalties should have been awarded both times, they scored specifically because of the obstruction once and immediately after in the second instance. I thought the ref, who I've been calling the best in the world for 5-6 years, was absolutely dreadful. Just as an additional example, the forward pass for the 3rd penalty is incredible, you need a specific angle to be sure it's further sideways than forward.

I couldn't disagree with you more really. He felt they didn't gain any material advantage I assume and therefore letting play continue was the correct decision. But I haven't watched it back and he may have made a mistake. Either way it's marginal and he was very good all game I thought. He certainly made no difference at all to the result and I doubt you will find many people to agree with you.

Doesn't mean you're wrong of course. But didn't want people thinking I agreed

[TightEnd]

the forward pass was a refereeing error, but the TMO didn't call them back for it either

the accidental offsides are judgement calls. Owens tries to keep it flowing. Didn't think they were glaring mistakes at all, all down to interpretation

[kukushkin88]

When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.12

Yep, this. A wonderfully refereed WC has been damaged by last night and tonight. As it happens penalties should have been awarded both times, they scored specifically because of the obstruction once and immediately after in the second instance. I thought the ref, who I've been calling the best in the world for 5-6 years, was absolutely dreadful. Just as an additional example, the forward pass for the 3rd penalty is incredible, you need a specific angle to be sure it's further sideways than forward.

I couldn't disagree with you more really. He felt they didn't gain any material advantage I assume and therefore letting play continue was the correct decision. But I haven't watched it back and he may have made a mistake. Either way it's marginal and he was very good all game I thought. He certainly made no difference at all to the result and I doubt you will find many people to agree with you.

Doesn't mean you're wrong of course. But didn't want people thinking I agreed

I respect your opinion. Going to watch it again :-)

[kukushkin88]

the forward pass was a refereeing error, but the TMO didn't call them back for it either

the accidental offsides are judgement calls. Owens tries to keep it flowing. Didn't think they were glaring mistakes at all, all down to interpretation

I respect your opinion too, let's have another look. 

[TightEnd]

i also thought mitchell was offside from genia's box kick in behind for what became the kuridrani try. TMO didn't want to look at that either

[kukushkin88]

i also thought mitchell was offside from genia's box kick in behind for what became the kuridrani try. TMO didn't want to look at that either

I thought they basically took out TMO intervention for last 2 games and the games suffered for it. Smith, lovely fella that he is obviously is was lucky with the tip (Warburton).

[AlunB]

Yeah you may well be right there. Bit damned if they damned if they don't with TMO

[nirvana]

When an offside player cannot avoid being touched by the ball or by a team-mate carrying it, the player is accidentally offside. If the player’s team gains no advantage from this, play continues. If the player’s team gains an advantage, a scrum is formed with the opposing team throwing in the ball.12

Yep, this. A wonderfully refereed WC has been damaged by last night and tonight. As it happens penalties should have been awarded both times, they scored specifically because of the obstruction once and immediately after in the second instance. I thought the ref, who I've been calling the best in the world for 5-6 years, was absolutely dreadful. Just as an additional example, the forward pass for the 3rd penalty is incredible, you need a specific angle to be sure it's further sideways than forward.

tbf, you're previous posts wouldn't suggest it was wonderfully refereed throughout