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« on: January 31, 2006, 09:38:28 PM »

I have given a lot of thought about devising a system for MTTs and STTs based on moving all in pre flop or folding. 

I then read Sklansky's 'System', and made some refinements to this, based on the amount of BBs and your position on the table. 

I then, tonight, using 'my system', played 4x45 player Multi Table STTs on Poker Stars, and came 10th, 9th, 9th and 1st.  When I was heads up, I refined the system further moving in with Harrington's top 30% of hands when less than or equal to 15 BBs, or his top 20% of hands when greater than 15BBs.

The point is, could this system work to produce a meaningful long term profit?

I am certainly going to try this further, and probably make some more refinements to it.

I also wonder if it could work in live poker as well.  You might get a few dodgy looks and comments though... Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2006, 10:02:10 PM »


The point is, could this system work to produce a meaningful long term profit?


I hope so  Cheesy

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=5334.0
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 10:11:12 PM »


The point is, could this system work to produce a meaningful long term profit?


I hope so  Cheesy

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=5334.0

You seem to be doing OK as it is Tank!! 

If the system worked, you could certainly play more STTs at the same time as you are basically playing them on auto pilot.

Has anyone else ever experimented with this, and if so with what success?
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 10:21:04 PM »

i went allin everyhand in a 5 dollar multi on crypto-18 players- i won. it was so funny the whole table tilted out of thier nuts. highlight was beating kk with 26 off on the bubble.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2006, 10:28:09 PM »

Haha that is good.  The system is actually very sensible but yeah, it can be annoying for other players, and hence call with inferior hands.

Ie some players cant let go of their hands they have limped in with, and call with hands like Q8 suited.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2006, 10:34:35 PM »

Vamps I once played won a 3K crypto comp after Xmas with 474 players on this stragety for the first hour, I was dealth AA KK AK QQ on numerous occasions and also played AQ AJ like this, by the first break I was chip leader my quite a way, but I feel luck was a great factor as I never run into a flush or trips and was called every time.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2006, 10:38:54 PM »

Vamps I once played won a 3K crypto comp after Xmas with 474 players on this stragety for the first hour, I was dealth AA KK AK QQ on numerous occasions and also played AQ AJ like this, by the first break I was chip leader my quite a way, but I feel luck was a great factor as I never run into a flush or trips and was called every time.

Yeah, when you get the top 5 hands you definitely want a caller so you can hopefully double up off them.  With the AQ AJ hands I dont really want a caller. 

I found it doing this puts people under pressure as they can't play their marginal hands like they would want to.  Heads up it was a dream using Harrington's hands but moving all in with them, the guy was dumbfounded and kept folding his SB to me!

Skippy, did you ever play like this again?  If I had your success with it I certainly would have!
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 10:43:51 PM »


i went allin everyhand in a 5 dollar multi on crypto-18 players- i won. it was so funny the whole table tilted out of thier nuts. highlight was beating kk with 26 off on the bubble.


This is not fergus's normal game.

Usually he only plays the top 115 premium hands.  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2006, 10:44:23 PM »

I did in a Deauville qualifier which I came 6th it was won by Paul Parker after i had 50% chips at final table. Nemesis witnessed this and he said that Im ultra aggressive.

I then read Harrington book Vol 1 and the following week I won £10 and £20 crypto buy in that was the start of January. Since then I have been out of form can't win anything, been outdrawn a few times, but dont know where ive gone wrong didn't seem to have that aggressive streak I had before. Help lol?
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2006, 10:48:40 PM »

I'm going to try it now on a £1 crypto stt
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2006, 10:53:24 PM »

Ok let me know the results!

Just played a $1 45 player game on Stars and to make a difference and to see what people's calling requirements are, I moved all in on every hand.  First hand UTG I moved in with JT off and was called by AQ.  I spiked a ten and doubled up.  Surely there are better spots to get your money in with AQ here lol!

Next hand 5 limpers I move in with 72d and was called by 66 and 77 who made an appalling call lol last to act and he flopped a full house.  Another player busted and I am back to starting stack.

Next hand deja vu and I move in with 37o and get called by another guy who can't lay down AQ!!!  We both miss and I am down to the felt.

I tripled up with K3 next hand before going out with 85 v 66, KJ and K5!!!

I need to be a bit braver before doing this on a bigger comp though!

In all seriousness, if anyone wants to look at my system or make refinements to it etc, please pm me.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 10:56:31 PM »

Actually, this is making me pretty nervous Cheesy 

I passed on my blinds (Im in seat 4) early on but went all in after that and cleaned up - no callers.

Are there guidelines as to which hands to go with or just what I feel like?
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 10:56:50 PM »

I think we're forgetting the "or fold" part of this post  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2006, 10:58:42 PM »

Actually, this is making me pretty nervous Cheesy 

I passed on my blinds (Im in seat 4) early on but went all in after that and cleaned up - no callers.

Are there guidelines as to which hands to go with or just what I feel like?

Yeah, PM me if you want my actual system.  Basically AA or KK only level 1 in any position, with AK and QQ in late pos.  It then goes down to like any ace or J9 later on when the blinds are a high proportion of your stack etc...
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 10:59:30 PM »

lol

I've folding a lot, I've only played 1 hand so far.  Going for hand number 2 soon though, I can feel it coming.
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