Ambition

[scotty2hatty]

After taking a biggish bet on Chelsea at work yesterday, I was sitting on the toilet pondering the case of Loic Remy and others.

Does it show more ambition to:

A. Move to a big club, earn more money, win trophies but rarely feature and arguably have much worth to the club.

Or

B. Move to a middling club, earn plenty money, be a first team regular, potentially worshipped by fans but not win trophies or potentially be rated as highly worldwide.

[scotty2hatty]

I may not have separated or detailed A and B quite right but you get the idea.

[POWWWWWWWW]

I think it definitely varies from case to case. Age and awareness of their own ability/ceiling prob plays a huge part as well. I'd assume every footballers main ambition is to play in Champions League/World cup finals and obv moving to bigger clubs gives them a better chance of this. Remy is never going to play in the CL with QPR, Newcastle, Liverpool etc and even if he knows he's only going to have a bit part player I'd assume just being part of that team, playing with exceptional players, being managed by exceptional people gives him enough incentive to make a move like he did. If Costa gets injured or has a massive drop in form then he's got a few games to show his worth to the team and like all (prob) professional footballers he's prob very confident in his own ability to make an impression.

I'd compare this to Falcao who made the bizarre move from Athletico to Monaco, being the best striker in the world, shows a huge lack of ambition.

And also to someone like Shearer. He could have moved to win more trophies but he was star man at his boyhood club, living his dream. Winning things with Newcastle was prob infinitely more meaningful than winning them with anyone else.

[George2Loose]

I don't understand players who move to a club to "win things" but don't actually play. How much did he actually contribute to his PL medal. Does he really look at it and feel like a champion?

I reckon it's more to do with money than glory

[scotty2hatty]

I don't understand players who move to a club to "win things" but don't actually play. How much did he actually contribute to his PL medal. Does he really look at it and feel like a champion?

I reckon it's more to do with money than glory

Very true. I came off in a cup final with ten to go cos I was knackered and we were a goal behind so we chucked another striker on - we proceeded to score two late goals to win and even then there was something missing for me.

[Marky147]

Won't see many people like Giggs, Terry etc.

For most it's all about the benjamins...

[vegaslover]

For nearly all the playing it's all about the money imo. A real ' I want what he's getting culture'. Add into the mix a few trophy/medal hunters, who don't give a fuck if they play and long as the pay packet is massive.

[POWWWWWWWW]

Won't see many people like Giggs, Terry etc.

For most it's all about the benjamins...

Giggs and Terry played for the 2 most successful teams of their generation, on big wages. Of course they're going to have club loyalty.

[Marky147]

Won't see many people like Giggs, Terry etc.

For most it's all about the benjamins...

Giggs and Terry played for the 2 most successful teams of their generation, on big wages. Of course they're going to have club loyalty.

Further reinforcing my point.

Lots of them still do the off, when they can get a bit more money.

[POWWWWWWWW]

Players take a step down in clubs for a bit more money? Examples?

[david3103]

And also to someone like Shearer. He could have moved to win more trophies but he was star man at his boyhood club, living his dream. Winning things with Newcastle was prob infinitely more meaningful than winning them with anyone else.

How would we ever know if that was true?

Also, Shearer was very well rewarded financially for his move to his home town club.

[hhyftrftdr]

Players take a step down in clubs for a bit more money? Examples?

Every Man City signing of the last 7 years?

[scotty2hatty]

Players take a step down in clubs for a bit more money? Examples?

This probably happens more than you think. Lukaku maybe?

[Marky147]

You've got Cashley who basically moved sideways for a bit more dough. Although it has since transpired that Arsenal slid behind Chelsea.

Rooney was angling to get out, but got the dough when United worked out it was probably less viable to replace.  I can't see that he'd have been going to a bigger club.

Adebayor?


Obviously don't know the exact coups, and it could just be confirmation bias, but there seem to be many less 1 club career men nowadays, and more that are out for every penny.

[JohnCharver]

Shearers prob not the best example, when he signed newcastle were very likely and did compete for the title/ got into champs league. By the time we were guff again his legs had gone a bit.

I dont think its all about money. Many players are deluded into thinking they are the best (a major part in getting to the level they did). Maybe they are willing to take the chance, either they are as good as they think they are and end up a star at a top club or they get paid 6 figures a week to sit on a bench.

Think its more interesting when someone is willing to go somewhere pointless for a wedge eg gyan at sunderland. I know they are jizz but he had plenty of options and just sold his career.


What would you call downings decision?