Yes or No, the Euro 2016 squad

[DungBeetle]

Welbeck has done really well for England, he deserves to be in the squad and even starting. He has also stepped up and performed in big games in the past. don't get the hate for him.

. It is unfortunate that Gibbs seems to have regressed and be out of favour at Arsenal, he seemed to developing really well. He could be a great buy for someone in the summer.

He's done pretty well in an England team that has been dire under Hodgson in 2 finals now.  Given he has been injured most of the season I think it's time Hodgson moved on unless he has a stellar last 10 games with Arsenal.  The hate isn't so much for the player himself, more Hodgson's view that an entire season of form is irrelevant and that Wilshire, Welbeck and Sturridge may be guaranteed places despite producing zero all season for their clubs.  And this based on international careers at a time when England have been utterly indifferent unless they are playing the role of flat track bully.

[PokerBroker]

So should Roy go after the Euros? 

Loyalty to players seems to be a very British trait, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on the continent. 

[DungBeetle]

So should Roy go after the Euros? 

Loyalty to players seems to be a very British trait, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on the continent. 

Roy should have gone after the World Cup, but seeing as he has been given another chance I imagine a quarter final spot would be seen as satisfactory with the current team.  Or even second round if there are a number of swashbuckling performances and we get a hard draw.

[bergeroo]

Loyalty to players seems to be a very British trait, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on the continent. 

Disagree a lot with this really. Loyalty and sentiment is in football all over europe/the world.

Exhibit A. The latter part of Iker Casillas' Spain and Madrid career

[PokerBroker]

Loyalty to players seems to be a very British trait, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on the continent. 

Disagree a lot with this really. Loyalty and sentiment is in football all over europe/the world.

Exhibit A. The latter part of Iker Casillas' Spain and Madrid career

That was actually a player I was thinking of, and part of me was thinking he had some pretty poor performances but also some terrible defenders in front of him.   I'm not saying it doesn't happen but there are coaches - especially international coaches in Europe - who are very much like well you have been pretty shit, you are out the team. 

Personally, I think there is a place for Loyalty but perhaps always being the first name on the team sheet isn't the way to offering that. 

Sorry for the de-rail of the thread, but I think it's an interesting subject.   

[pleno1]

Walcott will go. Wiltshire should definitely not go

[horseplayer]

Loyalty to players seems to be a very British trait, it doesn't seem to be as big an issue on the continent. 

Disagree a lot with this really. Loyalty and sentiment is in football all over europe/the world.

Exhibit A. The latter part of Iker Casillas' Spain and Madrid career

That was actually a player I was thinking of, and part of me was thinking he had some pretty poor performances but also some terrible defenders in front of him.   I'm not saying it doesn't happen but there are coaches - especially international coaches in Europe - who are very much like well you have been pretty shit, you are out the team. 

Personally, I think there is a place for Loyalty but perhaps always being the first name on the team sheet isn't the way to offering that. 

Sorry for the de-rail of the thread, but I think it's an interesting subject.   

Del Bosque is fiercely loyal to his Spain squad especially the ones who have been with him since the start. Must be remembered they all played a big part in easing the pressure on him when he could have been sacked early doors.

[mondatoo]

I don't understand how Wiltshire is even in the equation, absurd!

[PokerBroker]

Walcott is a definite no for me 49 premier league games and 14 goals for me in the last 3 seasons just doesn't cut it for an international player. 

Sure there are excuses but where do you draw the line. 

There are players in the EPL who have scored more goals than that in one season. 

[Karabiner]

Walcott will go. Wiltshire should definitely not go

How about Wilshere?

[JohnCharver]

Should take a form team. Would always be very positive about taking players from the premier winners (european winner aswell but lol chances) form/ confidence is all important.

I think we should adopt a system similar to athletics (no not shoot them up with roids) where habitual failures dont get taken. Analyse any player who had reasonable amount of major tournament opportunities and dump them out if them let down. Personally would rather watch a less talented team give everything than watch the same crocks put in the same boring heartless performances we always watch.

Dump rooney, hes the personification of crap we have endured. Take all reasonable spurs/ leicester players, they are the success stories whatever happens. We are underdogs so why not take english players who have helped underdogs overachieve in the league? That is what we are hoping to achieve in the euros?

We have supposedly the best most competitive league in the world, why do we never listen to its lessons? Start the two highest scoring englishmen. Use the defenders from tightest defences possible etc etc

[pleno1]

No way Baines should go, so far away from international class.



                  Hart

Clyne  Stones   Smalling   Shaw

               Dier
         Alli        Barkley

X            Kane        Sterling

Butland
Forster
Cahill
Bertrand (can play as defensive winger in games we want to shore up too and double up on people like ronaldo etc)
Milner
Henderson
Vardy
Rooney
Welbeck


Something like that for me, avg age definitely under 25, probably 22ish? Exciting team, lots of confidence in it.

[PokerBroker]

Don't you need some proven international experience in there though as well?

[pleno1]

Don't you need some proven international experience in there though as well?

why? the experience we have from those with experience is failure and nerves. In four years, they will have experience too when we might have a real chance

[TightEnd]

No way Baines should go, so far away from international class.



                  Hart

Clyne  Stones   Smalling   Shaw

               Dier
         Alli        Barkley

X            Kane        Sterling

Butland
Forster
Cahill
Bertrand (can play as defensive winger in games we want to shore up too and double up on people like ronaldo etc)
Milner
Henderson
Vardy
Rooney
Welbeck


Something like that for me, avg age definitely under 25, probably 22ish? Exciting team, lots of confidence in it.

He'll play 2 holding midfielders, then 3 attacking midfielders behind 1 up top if all his selections in qualifying are anything to go by so i think your formation is incorrect

those 2 holding midfielders are one of the key conundrums

Henderson, Dier maybe first choice?

wilshere, delph maybe in reserve, outside bet drinkwater.