next newcastle manager

[Nem]

As the biggest under acheivers your obviously talking about recent times... in which case surely real madrid should be considered bigger under achievers based on money spent!

[Teacake]

Sorry to keep this going Rooky but I've got to respond

I think we've only really been back on the European map for the last 8 or 9 year so still think your statement is way over the top. We went through a hell of a long period of before the Hall & Keegan era; the money spent and the awesome stadium we now have is all people judge the club by when measuring success.

The fact that NU have only been back on the Euro scene for the last 8/9 years backs up my point. NU are a HUGE club who should be challenging in Europe never mind England. I've watched them from the Gallowgate end playing in the old 2nd division so I know what I'm talking about.
 I dont know anyone who measures a clubs success by how awesome the stadium is!


Unless you have that attachement to a team, and to the game, which I don't think is that common in any other club/region, then that might be difficult to believe, but its true.

It is common in other cities such as Liverpool, Manchester & Glasgow 

It isn't a loser mentallity, it is a far more realistic view. I don't class success as winning the league cup, I'd much rather be 'a top 4 team' and get back into those european nights, yet if you win some silverware then that makes you great? I measure it purely from a selfish point of view, I pay my money and want to be entertained...the only reason people want silverware is to boast about their teams 'success' to other fans - for me, if the people playing for my team give 100% and provide good football i'm happy.

You don't know that you'd rather have nice football than silverware because NU haven't won a trophy in your lifetime. If NU won anything the whole city would grind to a halt for a week. The statement about winning silverware to boast to other teams fans is just strange, ask any fan of any club that has won anything & they will tell you its the greatest feeling. Only once NU have won something will you realise that you do have a losing mentality.

Don't get me wrong, I want and will NUFC on to win all of the above things..... I just don't see there being a halo around MON's head that will make him better placed than KK or Bobby Robson to win something.


No one said he had a halo round his his head but what he would do is get rid of the deadwood & underachievers & instill a winning mentality in the dressing room whilst getting the best out of the players who buy in to his thinking. He will not put up with the primadonnas that currently inhabit the NU dressing room either.

I think the NU fans deserve better than they are getting but if they are happy for Glen Roeder to get the job then maybe not.

[Rooky9]

This is whats so good about football.

Just a couple as there's no point in going on, its all about opinions...

I don't class 8/9 years as a long time in football and if you were to go to european countries and asked people about PL teams I honestly don't think we'd be in the top 6 they mention, but how do you judge huge? My point about the stadium wasn't about sucess, it was the way it is viewed as a staus symbol that means we should be this or that because of its size. A club not too far away will once again have 1st division football at a 48000 seater....

When I say it is uncommon the other two areas I was thinking of was Liverpool and Glasgow....not too convinced by Manchester even thou they are without doubt massively loyal (City that is!)

Its a fair point that I don't know what it would be like for silverware... The majority of fans who have won silverware in the country over the past few years are from teams that dont have football embeded into them-perhaps my view is based on experience with them.

If MON was proven at doing the things you said then fair play, but his cup win(s?) with Leciester still covered up allsorts of shocking half hearted performaces from a very average side. He did a good job with Leicester and Wycombe, but the work he did has always been inflated by the lack of resources he's had. This is one of the most common misconceptions in football. Some managers just cant do it with 'big' budgets and big expectations, I just don't think he's shown this as yet. I know the obvious answer is Celtic but I'm not going to tip the apple kart with any discussion on his success there.....

End of the day I'm in limbo (as I think i said earlier in the thread) I'm indifferent between alot of the names thrown round and will allow the new manager time to get his style across and take the club forward.... It has been pretty noticable that even with all the home wins and performances there have been no real vocal support for Roeder, but that is not likely to affect the chairmans decision!

[Nem]

if you were to go to european countries and asked people about PL teams I honestly don't think we'd be in the top 6 they mention.

You would definitely be mentioned in the top 6 clubs in the EPL.

[Rooky9]

As the biggest under acheivers your obviously talking about recent times... in which case surely real madrid should be considered bigger under achievers based on money spent!

How do you measure under achieving? in the last nine or ten years Real have only won the league twice, they have two european trophies and the lesser of the spanish cups twice too... Its all relative! £45m Figo, £50 Zidane, £22 Ronaldo, £25m Beckham then theres the some of the more recent purchses £13m Wodgate, £20 Ramos (for an 18 year old defender!), 18m Robino.... Baptista was about £12m too! The list goes on.....It's impossible to get a £ per cup and compare it because our figure is infinitiy!

[Rooky9]

if you were to go to european countries and asked people about PL teams I honestly don't think we'd be in the top 6 they mention.

You would definitely be mentioned in the top 6 clubs in the EPL.

Chelsea
Man U
Liverpool
Arsenal
straight off in all countries...

Then it depends what country your in... strange clubs have links and are popular, Fulham in France etc

Sadly I don't believe it is as clear cut as I'd like it to be....

[Nem]

Spurs and then Newcastle.

Michael Owen, Alan Shearer

[Nem]

How do you measure under achieving? in the last nine or ten years Real have only won the league twice, they have two european trophies and the lesser of the spanish cups twice too... Its all relative! £45m Figo, £50 Zidane, £22 Ronaldo, £25m Beckham then theres the some of the more recent purchses £13m Wodgate, £20 Ramos (for an 18 year old defender!), 18m Robino.... Baptista was about £12m too! The list goes on.....It's impossible to get a £ per cup and compare it because our figure is infinitiy!

To mention Newcastle as underachievers and then in the same breath mention Real Madrid is laughable. Real Madrid have won 39 trophies since 1969.

BTW Real Madrid have won 3 European Champions League titles in the last 10 years.

[Rooky9]

How do you measure under achieving? in the last nine or ten years Real have only won the league twice, they have two european trophies and the lesser of the spanish cups twice too... Its all relative! £45m Figo, £50 Zidane, £22 Ronaldo, £25m Beckham then theres the some of the more recent purchses £13m Wodgate, £20 Ramos (for an 18 year old defender!), 18m Robino.... Baptista was about £12m too! The list goes on.....It's impossible to get a £ per cup and compare it because our figure is infinitiy!

This statement is rubbish and you know it!

I'm merley trying to show how it is impossible to judge under achieving the point where NUFC can claim the mantle of being massive under achievers... the game is all relative - the above figures show that the gap between RM and NUFC in spending is far greater than say NUFC and average PL clubs. Do you not think that Real Madrid have massively under achieved in the last ten years?

[Rooky9]

Spurs and then Newcastle.

Michael Owen, Alan Shearer

I'd even put us above Spurs! Not sure they're known outside of North London

I think the injury to Owen and our lack of european games this year will have pushed us down the list on a short term view....

[Nem]

Do you not think that Real Madrid have massively under achieved in the last ten years?

Not really. They have won 12 trophies in the last 10 years.

[Nem]

Spurs and then Newcastle.

Michael Owen, Alan Shearer

I'd even put us above Spurs! Not sure they're known outside of North London

I think the injury to Owen and our lack of european games this year will have pushed us down the list on a short term view....

We are the 4th most supported EPL club in the world.

[Rooky9]

Not sure I can make 12 off their website over the ten... can get to nine... but thats over ten not nine years! But they have definatly underachieved during the time of all the above spending.... hence each manager not being able to fulfil the objectives and lose his job after a year (if he's lucky)

Anyhow.... that Tommy Craig bet isn't looking too bad. If Freddy wants Roeder and people stand in his way there is no doubt he'll jsut go round the rules - might be fun making a bookie pay out on a tile other than manager thou!



Edited to change there to their...sadly wasnt one to let go as a typo!

[Rooky9]

Spurs and then Newcastle.

Michael Owen, Alan Shearer

I'd even put us above Spurs! Not sure they're known outside of North London

I think the injury to Owen and our lack of european games this year will have pushed us down the list on a short term view....

We are the 4th most supported EPL club in the world.

Would like to see that list.. No doubt matches this year being put on back home for the young left back (Ji or Lee?) might have boosted people who they can claim though.

[Nem]

Not sure I can make 12 off there website over the ten... can get to nine... but thats over ten not nine years!

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