Had a couple of decisions last night with over pairs, I think they're both pretty similar so have bundled them both together.
The table I was playing had one solid reg and the rest of the players were pretty much in it for the gamble:
Hand 1:
in the BB playing £160 in a £1/£1 casino game
2 limpers and the BU makes it £7, I 3bet to £26, only the BU calls
I c-bet to £46 and the button shoves for £120. I tank and decide their range is mostly draws shoving their equity. I call and villain tables
(what a flop...) and rivers the 4 for the straight and that's the first stack gone...
Hand 2:
in the SB playing £320 in the same £1/£1 game, the solid player that I mentioned is in the BB.
CO raises to £7, I 3bet to £21. Both BB and the CO call.
I c-bet to £55, BB calls and CO folds.
I lead again for £75 and BB shoves for £250 and the CO folds. As I say this is the solid/good player at the table so I do believe he also has bluffs in his range. I have taken AA and KK out of the range due to the preflop action so I call. He instantly tables the KK and (thin brags) I river a Q to take the pot.
I see these as very similar spots with the over pair to the board but obviously we were up against very different hands.
Should I be getting it all in the middle in these spots? Or do we have reasons to fold? Both decisions are very much reliant on the assumption the AA and KK would have been 4bet preflop like 90% of the time in these games. am i relying on this too much?