THE LESSER OF TWO MUPPETS (WARNING-BAD LANGUAGE)

[snoopy1239]

Today I stumbled upon a remakable creature. Yep, the muppet. You’ve all come across them, but how often do you find a muppet moaning at a muppet? Probably more frequently than you might think.

The following chat occurred in a ring game I played recently. It made me chuckle and I couldn’t help but comment. If you are adverse to a bit  of swearing, please look away now. I've censored the profainity, but you still may be offended by the foul language. So, once again, look away if you don't want to read abusive dialogue.

koolmia420: seriously?
snoopy1239: what?
koolmia420: go f*** yourself you dumb ****
koolmia420: are you seriously that dumb?
koolmia420: marchare you idiot
koolmia420: you are the dumbest person ever
snoopy1239: why r u saying that?
koolmia420: you lack any semblace of a human brain
koolmia420: he called 30 with j 6
koolmia420: f***ing dope s***
snoopy1239: and u're telling him it was a bad move?
koolmia420: yes
snoopy1239: surely that makes u the dumb one
snoopy1239: would u rather he called u with good cards only?
marchare19: its called having balls , u d**kh**d
koolmia420: how raising with a good hand and getting called by a re**rd
snoopy1239: don't bite the hands that feeds u m8
marchare19: ive got u marked koolmia
koolmia420: ok f*g
koolmia420: mark this
snoopy1239: u're on his hitlist
snoopy1239: this guy DOES have balls
marchare19: have a go you weak dog koolmia
koolmia420: marchare sucks
marchare19: but u swallow
koolmia420: that was clever
koolmia420: moron m****rf***er
koolmia420: f*** you
koolmia420: bluffer
koolmia420: try me
koolmia420: hahahahaha
koolmia420: played you out
marchare19: lol
koolmia420: f***ing feel embarassed for the kid

Firstly, can you believe the language some people have to endure? It's shocking and I can't believe these online sites let it pass without putting their foot down. Every session I play sees a chatbox full of this sort of trash. Completely unacceptable if you ask me.

It’s true, marchare was the biggest fish I’d seen all week. He was playing all sorts of garbage and refusing to release any sniff of a hand. He’d just doubled through and I was waiting patiently to make some kind of solid holding so I could take him for all he had. I had dollar signs for eyes.

Then, all this chat appeared. What happened next? Marchare left. Great!

Bah, what a croc! What a waste my ‘You have big grapefruits sir’ line was. I was so hoping he’d stick around. I could just sense he was about to scarper.

This koolmia isn’t a bad player either, but what the hell is he doing driving away the fish? Complete madness.  I just can’t understand why people continue to do this, it drives me round the bend. What a burk.

Who’s more muppety? The muppet or the muppet muppetising the muppet for his muppetry? (Hmm – isn’t that a line from Star Wars?)

The funny thing is that when he left, someone said…

‘Thank God he’s gone. Complete muppet.’

Argh!!! Now’s there’s three of them. I’m surrounded! Get me out of here!!!

Sheesh, does that make me a muppet now?

It must be catching…

[TightEnd]

I agree, why do people get cross and try and scare people away?

It even happens live. A fortnight ago I travelled down to the Vic with Dingdell. When we busted out of the comp we went to play some cash in what was a vibrant cash room

We played awhile and were joined at a fullt table by Neil Channing. A little later we were joined at the game by a completely inebriated gentleman who sat down and his "minder" announces "he's never played before can you look after him dealer?"

I swear I saw Neil's back stiffen and his eyes begin to dart around the table

The guy gets out £1000 in cash, with more visible behind in his jacket pocket, and proceeds to call every raise, play every hand to the river and soon loses his first pull up

Neil is giving him all the talk.."having a nice evening? where are you from? how can I help you?" which was exactly the right approach to make him feel wanted

It was therefore rather irksome to see him suck out on one player who then criticises him for being in a hand! Huh? Shut up. Who's the muppet, the very rich tourist or the player criticising.

So the gentleman goes off to the roulette. Fortunately he came back (Dingdell even went to talk to him...heaven knows what she said!!) we all availed ourselves of his pecuniary hospitality.

There is a real art and skill in making the fish feel wanted. Channing is a master at it, and snoopy had exactly the right approach here IMO

[MrMoves]

I went through an hours worth of abuse today in a $2/$4 NL ring game.  The little boy who felt the need to make homophobic comments and the  classic "retard" comment after every other hand eventually busted out.  Of course he still "out played my ass"

You have to love internet poker and the complete donkeys it attracts.

[SKIPPYSKIP]

Snoopy, Was you winding im up?   

i think he bit lol

[AndrewT]

Fortunately he came back (Dingdell even went to talk to him...heaven knows what she said!!)

Dingdell brought the fish back? Does this officially make her bait?

[thetank]

would like to say something controversial on this issue.

Perhaps Marchare plays poker for the fun of it, and part of the fun for him is that he gets to rile people up by outdrawing them from time to time.
Comnments such as.....

snoopy1239: don't bite the hands that feeds u m8

...have every bit as much chance of driving a fish from the table than abuse from the outdrawn.

Muppets at the poker table are not necessarily muppets in real life. Marchare likely knew exactly what Snoopy was inferring and is more likely IMO to be genuinely insulted by this than 4 pages of personal abuse from koolmia.

Players do not wish to be reminded that they are donating money in the long term to other players. He expects it from someone who he's just outdrawn, but when someone else sticks their oar in, in a serious tone, it might hit home and chase him away.

I know Snoopy's intentions were good, but I think the whole idea of "don't tap the fish-tank lectures" are self-defeating.
By all means speak to koolmia about it after the fish has left the table, but not while they are still there.

Apart from everything else, it's rude to discuss someone in the 3rd person while they are still present. There's no denying that koolmia's behaviour is deplorable, but there's not much you can do to change him without defeating the very purpose for which drives you to do so in the first place.

[snoopy1239]

No worries.  You make a good point, and one which I considered at the time.

Yep, my passing comment risks putting them off too, but this guy was relentless and I was desperate for him to stop the abuse.

However, I don't think it's fair to defend a guy who uses such coarse language.

its called having balls , u d**kh**d

Compare that to mine.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you m8

At least I didn't swear at anyone.

[The Baron]

Hmmmm....

Obviously the way forward is to keep the fish at the table. Telling someone not to bite the hand that feeds could indeed drive someone someone away. Tank has made an excellent point.

However Tank, talking about someone in the third person is not something seriously comparable to calling someone some of the profanities mentioned in that chatbox. Who was really the rude one at the table?

Ok so Snoop may have pointed out who the fish was but it seems to me there was only one person at the table who wasn't rude. Our favourite Beagle.

[thetank]

Just want to make it clear that I wasn't wanting to compare Snoopy to the guy who swore like a  bitter, poorly educated, man of the sea.
I regret the way I've phrased my previous post on this thread. The two are definately not on an even keel in so far as there is nothing "wrong" with what Snoopy was saying. I just wanted to disagree with the tactic.

The whole talking about people in the 3rd person thing was kinda pedantic and doesn't have much to do with anything.

If you feel you must say something to keep a fish on the table who is on the recieving end of such a barrage. Try to tilt the abuser instead of trying to help him.

Tell the guy who was outdrawn that the "best hand won" and that "it serves him right for playing so one-dimensionally"
Guys like that deserve everything they get, so you needn't feel guilty about needling him. This will make the fish feel like you are on his side and might help tilt koolmia. These two things helping bring about a better gambling enviroment and a better game.

Conversely, trying to "educate" koolmia, makes it look to Marchare that you are ganging up against him. This creates a negative gambling atmosphere.

[Dewi_cool]

how's the new monitor tank, any good?

[snoopy1239]

No, I agree tank. Like I said,  I did wonder if my comment would have an adverse effect. But at the same time, I was having trouble just saying nothing. This guy was relentless and I just wanted him to stop.

I did change my tone slightly by saying that the fish WAS brave.

... but it didn't seem to work.

[Royal Flush]

I love the abuse, the fish get so worked up about it they all go on tilt!

[thetank]

how's the new monitor tank, any good?

Totally Dewi. I can now have a life-sized picture of your head on my screen. The possibilities.....

I'm pisch with wires and stuff like that, but I've got it all sorted now and am lovin' it.

[mex]

RF loves the abuse because most of its directed at him.

[The Baron]

Just want to make it clear that I wasn't wanting to compare Snoopy to the guy who swore like a  bitter, poorly educated, man of the sea.
I regret the way I've phrased my previous post on this thread. The two are definately not on an even keel in so far as there is nothing "wrong" with what Snoopy was saying. I just wanted to disagree with the tactic.

The whole talking about people in the 3rd person thing was kinda pedantic and doesn't have much to do with anything.

If you feel you must say something to keep a fish on the table who is on the recieving end of such a barrage. Try to tilt the abuser instead of trying to help him.

Tell the guy who was outdrawn that the "best hand won" and that "it serves him right for playing so one-dimensionally"
Guys like that deserve everything they get, so you needn't feel guilty about needling him. This will make the fish feel like you are on his side and might help tilt koolmia. These two things helping bring about a better gambling enviroment and a better game.

Conversely, trying to "educate" koolmia, makes it look to Marchare that you are ganging up against him. This creates a negative gambling atmosphere.