massive overbet

[Ironside]

average stack about 5k 18000 left and only 2700 paid
its a turbo previous round i raised button and c-bet flop after bb called pre
i have recently raised 3UTG after 2UTG min raised folded round to me
opened 2UTG took down uncontested
then opened UTG AJs flopped TPTK to take out a short stacks 9high like a boss

stop and go 6x the pot seems extreme
surely a set wants to get paid but it does look a wet board
is there any reason to consider a fold here?

Level X (100/200) - 2016/12/25 20:47:54 WET [2016/12/25 15:47:54 ET]
Table '1759603620 4545' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: advaration (552 in chips)
Seat 2: marcio_AM32 (3640 in chips)
Seat 3: f1shka94 (2024 in chips)
Seat 4: Ironside (6610 in chips)
Seat 5: Egorovich73 (2100 in chips)
Seat 6: jersommm (6724 in chips)
Seat 7: FlowchartAK (2266 in chips)
Seat 8: Jontra1 (3796 in chips)
Seat 9: panos1961 (6273 in chips) is sitting out
advaration: posts the ante 25
marcio_AM32: posts the ante 25
f1shka94: posts the ante 25
Ironside: posts the ante 25
Egorovich73: posts the ante 25
jersommm: posts the ante 25
FlowchartAK: posts the ante 25
Jontra1: posts the ante 25
panos1961: posts the ante 25
Egorovich73: posts small blind 100
jersommm: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ ]
FlowchartAK: folds
Jontra1: folds
panos1961: folds
advaration: folds
marcio_AM32: folds
f1shka94: folds
Ironside: raises 200 to 400
panos1961 has returned
Egorovich73: folds
jersommm: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [ ]
jersommm: bets 6299 and is all-in
Ironside:

[SuuPRlim]

I'm not folding

[Rexas]

Meh I'm probably folding, if he's got it we're basically dead and I think it's reasonable to assume that we're better off just surviving at this stage when I'd imagine the majority of people around us are going to be making pretty severe mistakes. The doesn't help, and if he's ripping one of the likely draws then we're not in particularly good shape. Any high stakes pros wanna come in and offer their opinion?

[pleno1]

snapping and loving it. he can have anything

[shipitgood]

I would call, but we are not loving it!

He is going to have two sorts of hands here mostly. Some draws and some 2 pair type hands, but it's never the nuts eg a straight, and I wouldn't say it was top pair either.

Although it is such an erratic bet, could it be simply a Jack?

It is certainly unusual his donk all in.

How has he been playing up to this hand? That will really answer your question.

In a vacuum we are calling, but reads are really important here. When we play poker we tell a story. Someone who donk jams j78 2 flushing board has probably left a massive trail before this hand was played. I would say he has a flush draw or a weak 2 pair type hand.

[WotRTheChances]

Going to make assumptions that this is a pretty low BI MTT and/or the villain in the hand is not a reg.
Depending on who it is, they could have anything from any Jx, any OESD, pair+GS, maybe even just random 8x hands, or they could be the type to purely have 2 pair/combo draws. In reality it'll be somewhere in between, but KK does pretty well against all but the tightest of ranges. GTO wise you 'should' defend 15% and KK will firmly lay within that, although i'd probably be calling wider than 15% vs most randoms in this spot, as they will be unbalanced and weighted towards hands we have good equity against.

[Ironside]

I snapped called and held against qj, was thinking after it about how deep we needed to be to make the call . Obviously we would just make a mental note and snap fold early in an event like the wsop me if the shove was for 100+ blinds with just 6 in the middle.
But let's say in this case we both had 3x average rather than just above average does this make the fold more attractive

[pleno1]

No we just Always snap. No good player is ever going to play any realistic range like this so any bad player who makes this erratic hand is going to have hands like this that we just kill.

Folding would be absurdly bad, I'd call 1000bbs open jam.

[SuuPRlim]

People do wierd things, don't let them drag you into the mud! When they click the wrong button you have to keep clicking the correct one.

[Flash92]

Marris loves to fold!

But let's say in this case we both had 3x average rather than just above average does this make the fold more attractive

There are situations where you might want to edge pass a marginal spot, but I doubt this will ever be one of them.