WSOP 2017

[shipitgood]

Vegas newbie here

For flights & hotel for 2 weeks Travel agents were talking about 2k£ for the Monte Carlo.

A quick look on Expedia showed flights + hotel @ 5 star being 2.3k+, 3/4 star from 1.5k, but they all include an extra "services charge", the travel agent said all hotels impose this charge.

Any suggestions or recommendations for hotels on the main strip?

[Doobs]

Vegas newbie here

For flights & hotel for 2 weeks Travel agents were talking about 2k£ for the Monte Carlo.

A quick look on Expedia showed flights + hotel @ 5 star being 2.3k+, 3/4 star from 1.5k, but they all include an extra "services charge", the travel agent said all hotels impose this charge.

Any suggestions or recommendations for hotels on the main strip?

What dates.  Is it for 1 or 2.  For 2 it seems excessive.  For 1, covering EDC, maybe just what you need to pay. 

[TightEnd]

PokerNews returns to the World Series of Poker as the official live reporting team after a two-year absence, but is that a good thing for the poker community?

http://calvinayre.com/2017/03/08/poker/pokernews-returns-wsop-fold-good-thing/?platform=hootsuite

[bergeroo]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

[DaveShoelace]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that new way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

[bergeroo]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that new way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

As far as I'm aware Poker News doesn't do the live streams or feature tables etc though? Their own coverage ie the blog and the live text reporting doesn't appear to have changed at all in 15 years. Not criticising the bloggers themselves at all. They often work really long hours and certainly work very hard, but nobody has thought of a more efficient, more creative or better way for the media to cover a poker tournament. I'd just like to see some ideas and creativity from the tournaments themselves of the people in charge of pokernews. If I see another gallery of photos of poker badly dressed and unshaven poker players, resting chin on elbow and looking bored. Gah!

I do dislike pokerstars these days but I enjoy the writing on their blog a lot when they go into the backstory of players or weave a bit of a story of the tournament etc. But I dunno, I just want more. Why can't we have video from the tournament. Why can't reporters carry a camera and film hands? Why can't a player wear a camera and be miced up and broadcast on a thirty minute delay during a live tourney?

Some of the new wave of poker vloggers have been given an outright ban by various casinos on filming. The sooner people in charge of poker and casinos realise things like this can really help to grow the game and look for ways to allow it rather than looking for ways to ban it, the better for everyone.

[tikay]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that ne

w way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

As far as I'm aware Poker News doesn't do the live streams or feature tables etc though? Their own coverage ie the blog and the live text reporting doesn't appear to have changed at all in 15 years. Not criticising the bloggers themselves at all. They often work really long hours and certainly work very hard, but nobody has thought of a more efficient, more creative or better way for the media to cover a poker tournament. I'd just like to see some ideas and creativity from the tournaments themselves of the people in charge of pokernews. If I see another gallery of photos of poker badly dressed and unshaven poker players, resting chin on elbow and looking bored. Gah!

I do dislike pokerstars these days but I enjoy the writing on their blog a lot when they go into the backstory of players or weave a bit of a story of the tournament etc. But I dunno, I just want more. Why can't we have video from the tournament. Why can't reporters carry a camera and film hands? Why can't a player wear a camera and be miced up and broadcast on a thirty minute delay during a live tourney?

Some of the new wave of poker vloggers have been given an outright ban by various casinos on filming. The sooner people in charge of poker and casinos realise things like this can really help to grow the game and look for ways to allow it rather than looking for ways to ban it, the better for everyone.

The ESPN contract specifically disallows any video filming in the WSOP rooms during play.

If I remember, I'll show you some of the onerous rules the Media are obliged to follow at the WSOP, as, by chance, I received my Media Accreditation Application a few days ago.

[bergeroo]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that ne

w way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

As far as I'm aware Poker News doesn't do the live streams or feature tables etc though? Their own coverage ie the blog and the live text reporting doesn't appear to have changed at all in 15 years. Not criticising the bloggers themselves at all. They often work really long hours and certainly work very hard, but nobody has thought of a more efficient, more creative or better way for the media to cover a poker tournament. I'd just like to see some ideas and creativity from the tournaments themselves of the people in charge of pokernews. If I see another gallery of photos of poker badly dressed and unshaven poker players, resting chin on elbow and looking bored. Gah!

I do dislike pokerstars these days but I enjoy the writing on their blog a lot when they go into the backstory of players or weave a bit of a story of the tournament etc. But I dunno, I just want more. Why can't we have video from the tournament. Why can't reporters carry a camera and film hands? Why can't a player wear a camera and be miced up and broadcast on a thirty minute delay during a live tourney?

Some of the new wave of poker vloggers have been given an outright ban by various casinos on filming. The sooner people in charge of poker and casinos realise things like this can really help to grow the game and look for ways to allow it rather than looking for ways to ban it, the better for everyone.

The ESPN contract specifically disallows any video filming in the WSOP rooms during play.

If I remember, I'll show you some of the onerous rules the Media are obliged to follow at the WSOP, as, by chance, I received my Media Accreditation Application a few days ago.

fair enough and yeah I would have thought as much as they have to protect the TV coverage. There is no reason at all why other tours can't do something more innovative though. Let's put a camera and a mic on Will Kassouf and have Kassouf cam on a 20 min delay through the tourney. Let's have players using periscope or facebook video to step away from tables and talk about hands they just played. Let's have players going on live video online and doing Q and A with fans. Let's have a tourney (not a bracelet one obv) offering a non standard structure or some kind of innovative format.

These are just random ideas off the top of my head. Surely someone could think of something good and make it happen

[DaveShoelace]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that new way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

As far as I'm aware Poker News doesn't do the live streams or feature tables etc though?

That's right, I meant the industry as a whole has moved that way, not PokerNews

[tikay]

Is it really important to get coverage of tournies before the bubble? Of course in the money and the run to the final people will be rooting, but for day one, does there need to be any coverage at all? Just publish the chip counts and start the blog for day two.

 It strikes me that poker tournament reporting hasn't evolved at all in 10-15 years. Nobody has come up with a new and exciting way of reporting what is going on. Maybe there isn't one?

So yeah, I mean does it need to be opened up to competition. One company covers the event, seems fine.

I think we do have that ne

w way of reporting, and its live streams and feature tables and whatnot.

Probably the biggest surge in poker traffic towards the written word is the WSOP live updates (still very small compared to a live stream), whether it's worth the expense I'm not sure but there is a lot of interest there (for poker at least).

I personally just look at the chip counts too though.

As far as I'm aware Poker News doesn't do the live streams or feature tables etc though? Their own coverage ie the blog and the live text reporting doesn't appear to have changed at all in 15 years. Not criticising the bloggers themselves at all. They often work really long hours and certainly work very hard, but nobody has thought of a more efficient, more creative or better way for the media to cover a poker tournament. I'd just like to see some ideas and creativity from the tournaments themselves of the people in charge of pokernews. If I see another gallery of photos of poker badly dressed and unshaven poker players, resting chin on elbow and looking bored. Gah!

I do dislike pokerstars these days but I enjoy the writing on their blog a lot when they go into the backstory of players or weave a bit of a story of the tournament etc. But I dunno, I just want more. Why can't we have video from the tournament. Why can't reporters carry a camera and film hands? Why can't a player wear a camera and be miced up and broadcast on a thirty minute delay during a live tourney?

Some of the new wave of poker vloggers have been given an outright ban by various casinos on filming. The sooner people in charge of poker and casinos realise things like this can really help to grow the game and look for ways to allow it rather than looking for ways to ban it, the better for everyone.

The ESPN contract specifically disallows any video filming in the WSOP rooms during play.

If I remember, I'll show you some of the onerous rules the Media are obliged to follow at the WSOP, as, by chance, I received my Media Accreditation Application a few days ago.

fair enough and yeah I would have thought as much as they have to protect the TV coverage. There is no reason at all why other tours can't do something more innovative though. Let's put a camera and a mic on Will Kassouf and have Kassouf cam on a 20 min delay through the tourney. Let's have players using periscope or facebook video to step away from tables and talk about hands they just played. Let's have players going on live video online and doing Q and A with fans. Let's have a tourney (not a bracelet one obv) offering a non standard structure or some kind of innovative format.

These are just random ideas off the top of my head. Surely someone could think of something good and make it happen

These are the constraints as to Video that the WSOP accredited Media have to abide by.


VIDEO  

13.   Shooting of hand by hand play of any WSOP tournament is strictly prohibited.

 
14.  All organizations are prohibited from streaming live video footage from the event.  

15.   No video cameras are permitted inside the tournament room(s) without an escort from a member of the WSOP’s media team.  Escorted crews are limited to 10 minutes per day to obtain b-roll footage, of which 5 minutes of actual footage may be recorded.  

16. No player interviews are permitted inside the tournament room.  

17.  The only two exceptions to Rule #16 are during the daily bracelet ceremony, where audio and video can be shot and winner interview(s) can be obtained, or, from any available stage area that is clearly off the field of play and away from any poker table.  

18.  Video interviews may only be conducted in two specified locations:  1) The dedicated “interview room” located in Palma Ballroom, in close proximity to the Amazon Ballroom or 2) On either the Pavilion or Brasilia Ballroom Main Stage.  When picking up media credentials, video crews should identify their interest in shooting video at tournaments, and WSOP media relations staff will show them the locations.  These are the only locations where interviews are permitted.  

[baldock92]

At some point over the next few years, potentially this summer but unlikely, I'll be in Vegas for a short time. It'd be a crime to not have a pop at one of the smaller buy in events during my time there. I was just wondering what the smaller events, as in the $1000, are like to play? Stuff such as the structure, difficulty of the field etc. Any in particular events which are better than others? Any help would be awesome.

[Doobs]

You get better value playing the other festivals main events - Golden Nugget, Binions, Phamous etc etc  Much better structures, great prizepools, soft fields and still a buzz in the air

$1000 WSOPs are pretty soft and I don't think the others have the same buzz.   Structures are much faster at the start in WSOPs, but they are good late on.  I haven't reached the very end of another festival main event, but I suspect big stacks at start = shovefest at the end.

[baldock92]

You get better value playing the other festivals main events - Golden Nugget, Binions, Phamous etc etc  Much better structures, great prizepools, soft fields and still a buzz in the air

Definitely something to keep in mind for the future, cheers. I think for a first time in Vegas during the world series I'd have to flick in for an official wsop event,  even if it means sacrificing some ev. It's fish like me that keep the pros coming back

You get better value playing the other festivals main events - Golden Nugget, Binions, Phamous etc etc  Much better structures, great prizepools, soft fields and still a buzz in the air

$1000 WSOPs are pretty soft and I don't think the others have the same buzz.   Structures are much faster at the start in WSOPs, but they are good late on.  I haven't reached the very end of another festival main event, but I suspect big stacks at start = shovefest at the end.

Definitely good to hear they're not the toughest of fields, but I'd still more than likely be nearer the bottom of the food chain! Cheers doobs

[tikay]

You get better value playing the other festivals main events - Golden Nugget, Binions, Phamous etc etc  Much better structures, great prizepools, soft fields and still a buzz in the air

I'm not sure that's fair comment Lee - at best, it's a subjective opinion.

If we take Binions as an example, we all love playing there, despite it being a health hazard, but we should always bear in kind we are generally being charged around 18% vig on MTT entries.  

This year, the standard price points at Binions are;

$365

$475

$585

$850

And the juice on those?

$300 + $65 (21.7%)

$400 + $75 (19%)

$500 + $85 (17%)

$735 + $115 (16%)


I'm not sure any of those represent "better value" than the WSOP.

Their structures are definitely not better than the WSOP either. IMO, anyway.

Baldock MUST play Downtown at GN & Binions, every poker player should at least try those two places, they have so much "character".

Good value though, I'm not sure I buy that.

[tikay]

Here's the MTT juice for this year's WSOP, Binions, GN, Venetian, PH, Aria, Wynn etc.

Scary reading......

(Click the "RAKE" tab at the foot of the page)


https://www.dropbox.com/s/8f949eiqi7swl7q/WSOP2017.xlsx?dl=0