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[RickBFA]

Utter nonsense and far too many more important issues in the world to get dragged down by this site. 

"Dragged down by this site"

Is open debate and are different opinions not healthy?

lol.  Typo, I meant shite. 

 

[RED-DOG]

Utter nonsense and far too many more important issues in the world to get dragged down by this site. 

"Dragged down by this site"

Is open debate and are different opinions not healthy?

lol.  Typo, I meant shite. 

Haha.

[The Camel]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

[Evilpengwinz]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

I don't think the bolded statement could possibly be more wrong.

There's the argument that "Hey, why are people wasting my tax money and their time on this when NHS/Housing/Education/Whatever is fucked?" on the basis that it either benefit more people and/or represents a better use of a limited amount of resources to use the money elsewhere - I don't agree with those people in this case as I think it's a conversation worth having, but we can't (and shouldn't) prevent people from having that opinion, because democracy.

If a gender neutral British tourist is harmed or perhaps killed as a direct consequence of identifying themselves as such on a passport - highly likely given LGBT tolerance in many countries still - clearly that affects far more than 0.3% of the population who are gender neutral if you think about it for more than a nanosecond. Concern for the safety of a gender neutral person abroad, and the consequences should anything happen to them, are valid concerns for anyone, not just those who identify as gender neutral.

Also, people minding their own business means that LGBT people who are binary would also not be entitled to a (likely supporting) opinion, even though it directly affects them as a change benefiting gender-neutral people increases the likelihood that future changes involve better treatment towards them in some way, too.

So no, the other 99.7% of people shouldn't be banned from expressing an opinion and told to 'mind their own business', irrespective of their views.

[RickBFA]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

[The Camel]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

What difference is there between saying "good morning ladies and gentlemen" to "good morning everyone"?

50 years ago, the black and white minstrels and gollywogs were an accepted part of British culture. Do you think they should be brought back?

[Marky147]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

What difference is there between saying "good morning ladies and gentlemen" to "good morning everyone"?

That was my first thought.

Maybe I just care too little about things, because I couldn't give a fuck if people don't say L&G anymore

[AndrewT]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

Wanting the option to have a box on a passport application form that actually includes them = looking for conflict.

Jeez Rick, I'm surprised you ever manage to leave the house out of fear if this is your threshold for people looking for conflict.

[Woodsey]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

Agree, a simple no fuck off should suffice....

[kukushkin88]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

Agree, a simple no fuck off should suffice....

The thing is the difference for the majority would be so small, you'd have to look pretty hard to even the notice it. Speaking of groups that are vocal the 'I defend my right to be slightly bigoted because it's what we've always done and it works OK for me' group seem to still be doing fine on that front. As always Woodsey is a solid barometer of any opinion. When he writes "agree" it's time for a rethink. Even if you still come back with the same opinion, it is definitely time to think again.

[Woodsey]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

Agree, a simple no fuck off should suffice....

The thing is the difference for the majority would be so small, you'd have to look pretty hard to even the notice it. Speaking of groups that are vocal the 'I defend my right to be slightly bigoted because it's what we've always done and it works OK for me' group seem to still be doing fine on that front. As always Woodsey is a solid barometer of any opinion. When he writes "agree" it's time for a rethink. Even if you still come back with the same opinion, it is definitely time to think again.

You are the barometer of when someone needs a slap around the face with a wet fish for being too much of a PC wanker who thinks his opinion is the be all and end all of what is right and wrong, this might come as a huge shock to you but your not..... someone pass me a fish.

[Jon MW]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

What difference is there between saying "good morning ladies and gentlemen" to "good morning everyone"?

50 years ago, the black and white minstrels and gollywogs were an accepted part of British culture. Do you think they should be brought back?

It's slightly off topic - but I've used the tubes every now and again for over 20 years and my wife used them constantly when she was doing her degree; and neither of us can ever remember the announcements including "ladies and gentleman".

Was this actually just one or two individual announcers that it affected and the newspapers were being a bit journalisty about it; or was this actually a general practice on the tube?

[nirvana]

Without 'Ladies and Gentleman' boxing becomes unwatchable imo

[Marky147]

Without 'Ladies and Gentleman' boxing becomes unwatchable imo

[MintTrav]

Have no idea why this is an issue.

It doesn't affect anyone except the gender neutral.

The other 99.7% should mind their own business.

Putting the passport thing to one side, the broader argument for me is around changing the culture and customs of our country to accommodate 0.3% of the population is just madness as it affects everyone.

We should treat everyone with respect and accept differences but not change things to accommodate the vocal minority within the 0.3% that appear to thrive on looking for conflict.

What difference is there between saying "good morning ladies and gentlemen" to "good morning everyone"?

50 years ago, the black and white minstrels and gollywogs were an accepted part of British culture. Do you think they should be brought back?

It's slightly off topic - but I've used the tubes every now and again for over 20 years and my wife used them constantly when she was doing her degree; and neither of us can ever remember the announcements including "ladies and gentleman".

Was this actually just one or two individual announcers that it affected and the newspapers were being a bit journalisty about it; or was this actually a general practice on the tube?

I think you're right - I can't remember ever hearing it either. They do have some other anachronisms though. WTF is all the alighting about? I have never heard anyone use the word 'alight' IRL - only in train/tube/bus announcements.