M, F or X?

[tikay]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/41567449/why-i-want-gender-neutral-uk-passports



Is it reasonable to have "gender-neutral" passports?

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[AndrewT]

If you identify as either M or F this will not make a lick of difference to you.

Same as straight people moaning about gay marriage.

[POWWWWWWWW]

"When I changed my passport gender to female, I had to get a letter from my doctor that basically said 'OK Mia is trans. This transition is permanent. She is now considered female, please change it'. It wasn't enough for just my permission to do it.

[ripple11]

 Unspecified sounds great....you can chose the shortest queue for the loos.

[RickBFA]

The person in the article will be fuming with the BBC - in the article they described her as "she" - how dare they?

"she" should start a campaign for gender neutral descriptions in articles too.

Rather like the campaign to stop London Underground announcers saying "Good morning Ladies and Gentleman" and really offensive stuff like that.

There must be more important things to campaign about surely than this nonsense? 

[kukushkin88]

The person in the article will be fuming with the BBC - in the article they described her as "she" - how dare they?

"she" should start a campaign for gender neutral descriptions in articles too.

Rather like the campaign to stop London Underground announcers saying "Good morning Ladies and Gentleman" and really offensive stuff like that.

There must be more important things to campaign about surely than this nonsense? 

Unless you identify as gender neutral, I guess it might seem very important then.

[Evilpengwinz]

Think about reasons why this needs to be on a passport - Laws differ throughout the world, and some of those differ based on whether you are male or female. E.g. there are countries where men and women have a different age of consent. Indonesia's laws are not "According to your passport you're transgender, so you can pick and choose whether you're allowed to have underage sex based on whether you're feeling more masculine or feminine today". There are legitimate reasons why there are two options (Probably far better examples than the one I've given) and as I can't see places like Saudi Arabia rewriting their laws for equal treatment of men, women and everything in between any time soon, binary is necessary.

Quite frankly, you'd have to be an absolute moron to tick that box even if you were transgender and the option was provided, because of the rights you would be giving up in so many parts of the world. Pull your pants down and tick a box accordingly is the smart move - identifying as transgender on a passport will give you far more trouble than it's worth. You're literally volunteering to be discriminated against if you tick that box.

Commit a crime? Good luck when they chuck you in the men's part of a foreign prison if you're biologically female. Also, good luck being transgender and getting a fair trial in most parts of the world.
Getting through customs? Guess who is going to get held up for hours on end when they see you ticked the "X" box.
Visiting America? You'll probs get shot by a cop, just because.
Going to the World Cup in Russia next year? Not any more.

So no, we shouldn't allow an "X" option. It already says "Sex" which is biological, thus binary, as opposed to "Gender" which is psychological. It's fine the way it is right now.

[nirvana]

The person in the article will be fuming with the BBC - in the article they described her as "she" - how dare they?

"she" should start a campaign for gender neutral descriptions in articles too.

Rather like the campaign to stop London Underground announcers saying "Good morning Ladies and Gentleman" and really offensive stuff like that.

There must be more important things to campaign about surely than this nonsense? 

Unless you identify as gender neutral, I guess it might seem very important then.

What does identifying oneself as gender neutral mean and what benefit accrues to the person if I suspend disbelief and say, yah, I see that you are indeed gender neutral, wp.

In the past you could just stick two spoons up your nose and achieve the same result.

[kukushkin88]

The person in the article will be fuming with the BBC - in the article they described her as "she" - how dare they?

"she" should start a campaign for gender neutral descriptions in articles too.

Rather like the campaign to stop London Underground announcers saying "Good morning Ladies and Gentleman" and really offensive stuff like that.

There must be more important things to campaign about surely than this nonsense? 

Unless you identify as gender neutral, I guess it might seem very important then.

What does identifying oneself as gender neutral mean and what benefit accrues to the person if I suspend disbelief and say, yah, I see that you are indeed gender neutral, wp.

In the past you could just stick two spoons up your nose and achieve the same result.

I don't have enough knowledge of the subject for the first part of the question. It seems a statistically significant proportion of people do identify as gender neutral though and I guess the benefit that would accrue would be something like the same as when any person/group is shown respect.

[ash_d]

worlds going bonkers imo

[nirvana]

The person in the article will be fuming with the BBC - in the article they described her as "she" - how dare they?

"she" should start a campaign for gender neutral descriptions in articles too.

Rather like the campaign to stop London Underground announcers saying "Good morning Ladies and Gentleman" and really offensive stuff like that.

There must be more important things to campaign about surely than this nonsense? 

Unless you identify as gender neutral, I guess it might seem very important then.

What does identifying oneself as gender neutral mean and what benefit accrues to the person if I suspend disbelief and say, yah, I see that you are indeed gender neutral, wp.

In the past you could just stick two spoons up your nose and achieve the same result.

I don't have enough knowledge of the subject for the first part of the question. It seems a statistically significant proportion of people do identify as gender neutral though and I guess the benefit that would accrue would be something like the same as when any person/group is shown respect.

I take your ticket on showing people respect. I would show any member of the LGBTQQIAAP community respect if I met them and they were alright with me.

This desire to be labelled quite specifically and on ones own terms, is very modern and ill conceived imo. My egalitarian spirit would tend to think less labelling, rather than more, is a better way forward.

[RED-DOG]

Gender neutral my arse.

[Marky147]

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[Woodsey]

No, it’s just more bullshit, we don’t just get to stamp our feet and get whatever we want in life, it doesn’t work like that although some like to try....

[nirvana]

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Oh man, literal lolling - he's funny ..about the coffee anyway