Caught in the act

[nirvana]

The only three people I know who are asthmatic are Froome, Wiggins and my Daughter. The fact she hasn't won or even competed in the Tour De France really rankles me.

Haha, and excellent use of rankles

[RED-DOG]

The only three people I know who are asthmatic are Froome, Wiggins and my Daughter. The fact she hasn't won or even competed in the Tour De France really rankles me.

Haha, and excellent use of rankles

Winning the Tour De France would be excellent use of her ankles 

[Woodsey]

Fking hell, if it wasn’t OTT before it is now, there is a vid of Steve Smith being escorted probably by the police through the airport. Makes him look like a huge criminal, I’m sure it’s just for security purposes but he doesn’t deserve that! 

[Marky147]

Fking hell, if it wasn’t OTT before it is now, there is a vid of Steve Smith being escorted probably by the police through the airport. Makes him look like a huge criminal, I’m sure it’s just for security purposes but he doesn’t deserve that! 

Cricketers, and his pension... The only things Woodsey cares enough about to get riled

[Woodsey]

Fking hell, if it wasn’t OTT before it is now, there is a vid of Steve Smith being escorted probably by the police through the airport. Makes him look like a huge criminal, I’m sure it’s just for security purposes but he doesn’t deserve that!  

Cricketers, and his pension... The only things Woodsey cares enough about to get riled

When you see the video tell me then I’m wrong, I’m all for Steve Smith and especially David Warner getting a huge dose of comeuppance but that is just way OTT.

Btw, cricket and pension are not even top 5 of things I care about, shit read, but that’s why we’re both shit poker players these days right?  

[Marky147]

Fking hell, if it wasn’t OTT before it is now, there is a vid of Steve Smith being escorted probably by the police through the airport. Makes him look like a huge criminal, I’m sure it’s just for security purposes but he doesn’t deserve that!  

Cricketers, and his pension... The only things Woodsey cares enough about to get riled

When you see the video tell me then I’m wrong, I’m all for Steve Smith and especially David Warner getting a huge dose of comeuppance but that is just way OTT.

Btw, cricket and pension are not even top 5 of things I care about, shit read, but that’s why we’re both shit poker players these days right?  

I've always been shit

[Doobs]

I think Wiggins is a cheat fwiw (40% of elite cyclists have asthma lollllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  

There are studies available on exercise induced asthma

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1938228-overview#a6

EIA affects 12-15% of the population. Ninety percent of asthmatic individuals and 35-45% of people with allergic rhinitis experience EIA, but even when those with rhinitis and allergic asthma are excluded, a 3-10% incidence of EIA is seen in the general population. [3]

EIA seems to be more prevalent in some winter or cold-weather sports. [12] Some studies have demonstrated rates as high as 35% or even 50% in competitive-caliber figure skaters, ice hockey players, and cross-country skiers. [13, 6]

An observational cohort study of 149 pediatric asthma patients found that exercise-induced bronchoconstriction was present in 52.5% of these children. [14] 
...
With proper interventions, the prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. Most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA with proper treatment (see Prognosis).
...
Prognosis
The prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. With proper interventions, most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA if this condition is treated properly. Newly diagnosed young athletes need to be educated that this condition should not be perceived as an insurmountable disability. Using examples of the numerous elite athletes (eg, Jackie Joyner-Kersee [track and field Olympian]; Amy Van Dyken [Olympic swimmer]; Jerome Bettis [former running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers]) with this condition can help young impressionable athletes continue in their endeavors without fear of failure or medical distress.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers

Much more common in sport is exercise-induced asthma, or EIA, in which rapid and heavy breathing causes the same symptoms. The effect can be exacerbated by atmospheric conditions, which means some sportspeople tend to suffer more than others.

John Dickinson from Kent University’s school of sport & exercise sciences, a world expert on asthma in sport, tested all 33 UK-based members of the British swimming squad and found 70% had some form of asthma, against a national asthma rate of about 8% to 10%. It is believed the chlorinated atmosphere of a pool could be a factor in this.

Cycling is another sport where EIA is common – Dickinson’s test on cyclists from Team Sky found a third have the condition. Rapid inhalation of cold, dry air has been identified as a trigger of EIA. Around half of elite cross-country skiers have the condition, as does Paula Radcliffe...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/25/alberto-salazar-case-expert-says-athletes-are-particularly-asthma-prone

What’s causing the higher prevalence are the risk factors that the athletes are putting themselves through,” he said. “If we look at exercise-induced asthma, the main trigger is breathing unconditioned air into your lower airways. If you think about when you’re at rest, most of the air you breath comes through the nose and can therefore be warmed, humidified and filtered. It protects your lungs from potential provocation and inflammation that would lead to an asthma response.

“An athlete increases their breathing rate which results in them switching from nose breathing to mouth breathing. In sports such as cycling, running and swimming they are going to breathe 99% of air through their mouth. They are also going to breathe a lot of air. It means their lower airways are going to have to do a lot of the conditioning, causing an inflammatory response and then a bronchial restriction around the airways.

“Because athletes are subjecting themselves to this ventilation over a prolonged period of time, they’re more likely to develop an asthmatic tendency. In the general population we see the same thing for people who have jobs in a polluted environment.”

The national asthma rate in Britain is around 8-10% and Dickinson dismissed the notion that inhalers could be used to enhance an athlete’s performance unless used in extreme excess. He added: “If inhaler drugs are taken as prescribed, in therapeutic doses, there’s not really any evidence to show they improve performance. If you take ridiculously high doses, there is perhaps potential to improve sprinting power.”

[tikay]

I welled up watching this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43580069

[tikay]

Lehmann resigns, too.

[kukushkin88]

I welled up watching this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43580069

Sad times all round, let's hope they forgive themselves are forgiven by the people that matter and move on positively quickly.

[Archer]

I think Wiggins is a cheat fwiw (40% of elite cyclists have asthma lollllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  

There are studies available on exercise induced asthma

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1938228-overview#a6

EIA affects 12-15% of the population. Ninety percent of asthmatic individuals and 35-45% of people with allergic rhinitis experience EIA, but even when those with rhinitis and allergic asthma are excluded, a 3-10% incidence of EIA is seen in the general population. [3]

EIA seems to be more prevalent in some winter or cold-weather sports. [12] Some studies have demonstrated rates as high as 35% or even 50% in competitive-caliber figure skaters, ice hockey players, and cross-country skiers. [13, 6]

An observational cohort study of 149 pediatric asthma patients found that exercise-induced bronchoconstriction was present in 52.5% of these children. [14] 
...
With proper interventions, the prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. Most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA with proper treatment (see Prognosis).
...
Prognosis
The prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. With proper interventions, most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA if this condition is treated properly. Newly diagnosed young athletes need to be educated that this condition should not be perceived as an insurmountable disability. Using examples of the numerous elite athletes (eg, Jackie Joyner-Kersee [track and field Olympian]; Amy Van Dyken [Olympic swimmer]; Jerome Bettis [former running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers]) with this condition can help young impressionable athletes continue in their endeavors without fear of failure or medical distress.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers

Much more common in sport is exercise-induced asthma, or EIA, in which rapid and heavy breathing causes the same symptoms. The effect can be exacerbated by atmospheric conditions, which means some sportspeople tend to suffer more than others.

John Dickinson from Kent University’s school of sport & exercise sciences, a world expert on asthma in sport, tested all 33 UK-based members of the British swimming squad and found 70% had some form of asthma, against a national asthma rate of about 8% to 10%. It is believed the chlorinated atmosphere of a pool could be a factor in this.

Cycling is another sport where EIA is common – Dickinson’s test on cyclists from Team Sky found a third have the condition. Rapid inhalation of cold, dry air has been identified as a trigger of EIA. Around half of elite cross-country skiers have the condition, as does Paula Radcliffe...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/25/alberto-salazar-case-expert-says-athletes-are-particularly-asthma-prone

What’s causing the higher prevalence are the risk factors that the athletes are putting themselves through,” he said. “If we look at exercise-induced asthma, the main trigger is breathing unconditioned air into your lower airways. If you think about when you’re at rest, most of the air you breath comes through the nose and can therefore be warmed, humidified and filtered. It protects your lungs from potential provocation and inflammation that would lead to an asthma response.

“An athlete increases their breathing rate which results in them switching from nose breathing to mouth breathing. In sports such as cycling, running and swimming they are going to breathe 99% of air through their mouth. They are also going to breathe a lot of air. It means their lower airways are going to have to do a lot of the conditioning, causing an inflammatory response and then a bronchial restriction around the airways.

“Because athletes are subjecting themselves to this ventilation over a prolonged period of time, they’re more likely to develop an asthmatic tendency. In the general population we see the same thing for people who have jobs in a polluted environment.”

The national asthma rate in Britain is around 8-10% and Dickinson dismissed the notion that inhalers could be used to enhance an athlete’s performance unless used in extreme excess. He added: “If inhaler drugs are taken as prescribed, in therapeutic doses, there’s not really any evidence to show they improve performance. If you take ridiculously high doses, there is perhaps potential to improve sprinting power.”

Nice defence of high incidence of asthma.

One of the main points against Wiggins was that he was prescribed triamcinolone. The same Dr Dickinson you referred to above had this to say:

Dr John Dickinson, of Kent University, who has worked with more than 1,000 athletes with breathing problems, said he had never prescribed triamcinolone to an athlete.

He said: "That sort of medication [is] typically reserved for individuals who are in a very severe asthma response and are in need of emergency care which would suggest... that particular individual may be not fit and well to compete in a race at that point in time.

"I've never been myself involved with an athlete that's needed to go that far in terms of that sort of treatment for an asthmatic condition.

There is so much out there from the medical profession about triamcinolone and particularly with the performance enhancing qualities (loss of weight without loss of power) it is difficult for me to accept Wiggins was not cheating. Add to that all the nonsense with Sky, lack of medical records, lost computers, Dr Freeman etc etc.   And then you have the strong association of the drug with confirmed dopers.

[MANTIS01]

It was a decision of the 'leadership group'? Cheating with brown sugar/yellow tape and crying like babies.

Get's my goat when people so readily peg themselves as 'leaders' these days. Believe me that ain't no leadership group.

[Doobs]

I think Wiggins is a cheat fwiw (40% of elite cyclists have asthma lollllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  

There are studies available on exercise induced asthma

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1938228-overview#a6

EIA affects 12-15% of the population. Ninety percent of asthmatic individuals and 35-45% of people with allergic rhinitis experience EIA, but even when those with rhinitis and allergic asthma are excluded, a 3-10% incidence of EIA is seen in the general population. [3]

EIA seems to be more prevalent in some winter or cold-weather sports. [12] Some studies have demonstrated rates as high as 35% or even 50% in competitive-caliber figure skaters, ice hockey players, and cross-country skiers. [13, 6]

An observational cohort study of 149 pediatric asthma patients found that exercise-induced bronchoconstriction was present in 52.5% of these children. [14] 
...
With proper interventions, the prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. Most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA with proper treatment (see Prognosis).
...
Prognosis
The prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. With proper interventions, most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA if this condition is treated properly. Newly diagnosed young athletes need to be educated that this condition should not be perceived as an insurmountable disability. Using examples of the numerous elite athletes (eg, Jackie Joyner-Kersee [track and field Olympian]; Amy Van Dyken [Olympic swimmer]; Jerome Bettis [former running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers]) with this condition can help young impressionable athletes continue in their endeavors without fear of failure or medical distress.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers

Much more common in sport is exercise-induced asthma, or EIA, in which rapid and heavy breathing causes the same symptoms. The effect can be exacerbated by atmospheric conditions, which means some sportspeople tend to suffer more than others.

John Dickinson from Kent University’s school of sport & exercise sciences, a world expert on asthma in sport, tested all 33 UK-based members of the British swimming squad and found 70% had some form of asthma, against a national asthma rate of about 8% to 10%. It is believed the chlorinated atmosphere of a pool could be a factor in this.

Cycling is another sport where EIA is common – Dickinson’s test on cyclists from Team Sky found a third have the condition. Rapid inhalation of cold, dry air has been identified as a trigger of EIA. Around half of elite cross-country skiers have the condition, as does Paula Radcliffe...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/25/alberto-salazar-case-expert-says-athletes-are-particularly-asthma-prone

What’s causing the higher prevalence are the risk factors that the athletes are putting themselves through,” he said. “If we look at exercise-induced asthma, the main trigger is breathing unconditioned air into your lower airways. If you think about when you’re at rest, most of the air you breath comes through the nose and can therefore be warmed, humidified and filtered. It protects your lungs from potential provocation and inflammation that would lead to an asthma response.

“An athlete increases their breathing rate which results in them switching from nose breathing to mouth breathing. In sports such as cycling, running and swimming they are going to breathe 99% of air through their mouth. They are also going to breathe a lot of air. It means their lower airways are going to have to do a lot of the conditioning, causing an inflammatory response and then a bronchial restriction around the airways.

“Because athletes are subjecting themselves to this ventilation over a prolonged period of time, they’re more likely to develop an asthmatic tendency. In the general population we see the same thing for people who have jobs in a polluted environment.”

The national asthma rate in Britain is around 8-10% and Dickinson dismissed the notion that inhalers could be used to enhance an athlete’s performance unless used in extreme excess. He added: “If inhaler drugs are taken as prescribed, in therapeutic doses, there’s not really any evidence to show they improve performance. If you take ridiculously high doses, there is perhaps potential to improve sprinting power.”

Nice defence of high incidence of asthma.

One of the main points against Wiggins was that he was prescribed triamcinolone. The same Dr Dickinson you referred to above had this to say:

Dr John Dickinson, of Kent University, who has worked with more than 1,000 athletes with breathing problems, said he had never prescribed triamcinolone to an athlete.

He said: "That sort of medication [is] typically reserved for individuals who are in a very severe asthma response and are in need of emergency care which would suggest... that particular individual may be not fit and well to compete in a race at that point in time.

"I've never been myself involved with an athlete that's needed to go that far in terms of that sort of treatment for an asthmatic condition.

There is so much out there from the medical profession about triamcinolone and particularly with the performance enhancing qualities (loss of weight without loss of power) it is difficult for me to accept Wiggins was not cheating. Add to that all the nonsense with Sky, lack of medical records, lost computers, Dr Freeman etc etc.   And then you have the strong association of the drug with confirmed dopers.

I said higher up, you can argue about the medicine, comments like lol asthma just show a lack of understanding.  Facebook and twitter were full of similar comments.  It seems very probable that he genuinely has exercise induced asthma, given the tests showed a third of Sky cyclists had it.  If he genuinely doesn't have asthma, then there would be some evidence by now?

[teddybloat]

wiggins is a laughing stock.

'lol asthma' isnt merely an ignorant comment by his detractors, it's essentially his defense.

and it's risible.

[Archer]

I think Wiggins is a cheat fwiw (40% of elite cyclists have asthma lollllllllllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz).  

There are studies available on exercise induced asthma

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1938228-overview#a6

EIA affects 12-15% of the population. Ninety percent of asthmatic individuals and 35-45% of people with allergic rhinitis experience EIA, but even when those with rhinitis and allergic asthma are excluded, a 3-10% incidence of EIA is seen in the general population. [3]

EIA seems to be more prevalent in some winter or cold-weather sports. [12] Some studies have demonstrated rates as high as 35% or even 50% in competitive-caliber figure skaters, ice hockey players, and cross-country skiers. [13, 6]

An observational cohort study of 149 pediatric asthma patients found that exercise-induced bronchoconstriction was present in 52.5% of these children. [14]  
...
With proper interventions, the prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. Most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA with proper treatment (see Prognosis).
...
Prognosis
The prognosis is excellent for athletes with asthma. With proper interventions, most symptoms can be prevented, and performance should not be limited by EIA if this condition is treated properly. Newly diagnosed young athletes need to be educated that this condition should not be perceived as an insurmountable disability. Using examples of the numerous elite athletes (eg, Jackie Joyner-Kersee [track and field Olympian]; Amy Van Dyken [Olympic swimmer]; Jerome Bettis [former running back for the Pittsburgh Steelers]) with this condition can help young impressionable athletes continue in their endeavors without fear of failure or medical distress.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/elite-athletes-asthma-simon-yates-team-sky-swimmers

Much more common in sport is exercise-induced asthma, or EIA, in which rapid and heavy breathing causes the same symptoms. The effect can be exacerbated by atmospheric conditions, which means some sportspeople tend to suffer more than others.

John Dickinson from Kent University’s school of sport & exercise sciences, a world expert on asthma in sport, tested all 33 UK-based members of the British swimming squad and found 70% had some form of asthma, against a national asthma rate of about 8% to 10%. It is believed the chlorinated atmosphere of a pool could be a factor in this.

Cycling is another sport where EIA is common – Dickinson’s test on cyclists from Team Sky found a third have the condition. Rapid inhalation of cold, dry air has been identified as a trigger of EIA. Around half of elite cross-country skiers have the condition, as does Paula Radcliffe...

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jun/25/alberto-salazar-case-expert-says-athletes-are-particularly-asthma-prone

What’s causing the higher prevalence are the risk factors that the athletes are putting themselves through,” he said. “If we look at exercise-induced asthma, the main trigger is breathing unconditioned air into your lower airways. If you think about when you’re at rest, most of the air you breath comes through the nose and can therefore be warmed, humidified and filtered. It protects your lungs from potential provocation and inflammation that would lead to an asthma response.

“An athlete increases their breathing rate which results in them switching from nose breathing to mouth breathing. In sports such as cycling, running and swimming they are going to breathe 99% of air through their mouth. They are also going to breathe a lot of air. It means their lower airways are going to have to do a lot of the conditioning, causing an inflammatory response and then a bronchial restriction around the airways.

“Because athletes are subjecting themselves to this ventilation over a prolonged period of time, they’re more likely to develop an asthmatic tendency. In the general population we see the same thing for people who have jobs in a polluted environment.”

The national asthma rate in Britain is around 8-10% and Dickinson dismissed the notion that inhalers could be used to enhance an athlete’s performance unless used in extreme excess. He added: “If inhaler drugs are taken as prescribed, in therapeutic doses, there’s not really any evidence to show they improve performance. If you take ridiculously high doses, there is perhaps potential to improve sprinting power.”

Nice defence of high incidence of asthma.

One of the main points against Wiggins was that he was prescribed triamcinolone. The same Dr Dickinson you referred to above had this to say:

Dr John Dickinson, of Kent University, who has worked with more than 1,000 athletes with breathing problems, said he had never prescribed triamcinolone to an athlete.

He said: "That sort of medication [is] typically reserved for individuals who are in a very severe asthma response and are in need of emergency care which would suggest... that particular individual may be not fit and well to compete in a race at that point in time.

"I've never been myself involved with an athlete that's needed to go that far in terms of that sort of treatment for an asthmatic condition.

There is so much out there from the medical profession about triamcinolone and particularly with the performance enhancing qualities (loss of weight without loss of power) it is difficult for me to accept Wiggins was not cheating. Add to that all the nonsense with Sky, lack of medical records, lost computers, Dr Freeman etc etc.   And then you have the strong association of the drug with confirmed dopers.

I said higher up, you can argue about the medicine, comments like lol asthma just show a lack of understanding.  Facebook and twitter were full of similar comments.  It seems very probable that he genuinely has exercise induced asthma, given the tests showed a third of Sky cyclists had it.  If he genuinely doesn't have asthma, then there would be some evidence by now?

How could there be any evidence that he didn’t have asthma? I’m not sure there could ever be any evidence to prove that. Unless of course a Doctor who has previously diagnosed him with the condition changed his mind…

FWIW, I’m with you on your points about asthma and hence my comment about nice defence. So I’m not questioning if Wiggins had asthma or pollen allergies. Who knows.

I should have linked my reply to your other comments on the thread:

People lost their minds over Bradley Wiggins using a TUE for instance and that wasn't even breaking the rules.

To me, it seems that the Australia cricket team and Lance Armstrong clearly crossed a line, Wiggins didn't.

Sure, he secured his TUEs on medical evidence provided by Dr Freeman and technically Wiggins  hasn’t broken any cycling rules because of the TUE  but it seems irrefutable to me he systematically and knowingly cheated the system for his own benefit. I’ve formed that view from what I’ve heard and read from a whole raft of scientists, Doctors, investigative journalists, specialist broadcasters, pods, dopers,  cyclists and even politicians in the DCMS report. TBF the report didn’t add much to what was already out there.

He has clearly crossed the line and in some considerable style. Feted by the country, adulation, SPOTY, Knighthood and huge financial benefits etc. etc.  All sickening IMO.