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« on: May 17, 2018, 07:43:16 AM »

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-cut-fixed-odds-betting-terminals-maximum-stake-from-100-to-2

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/bookies-worst-fears-realised-as-government-cuts-fobt-stakes-to-2/331402

About time, it's been ridiculous how "bookmakers" have basically been casino arcades for a long time now.  These things have caused too much harm in society.

William Hill share price has been lurching around recently due to rumours about this.  It will be some time before it is implemented according to the gov.uk link.
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 08:36:30 AM »

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-cut-fixed-odds-betting-terminals-maximum-stake-from-100-to-2

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/bookies-worst-fears-realised-as-government-cuts-fobt-stakes-to-2/331402

About time, it's been ridiculous how "bookmakers" have basically been casino arcades for a long time now.  These things have caused too much harm in society.

William Hill share price has been lurching around recently due to rumours about this.  It will be some time before it is implemented according to the gov.uk link.

What good news, they should hever have been allowed on the high street.

Guess it isn't going to be armageddon for the bookies after all?   Hills share price down 3% so far this morning.   

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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2018, 08:39:25 AM »

GVC holdings only down 2 or 3% too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2018, 08:42:37 AM »

There are restrictions proposed on online gaming as well.  Seems to me that might affect poker.  

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4.18. The Commission will bring forward proposals for mandatory limits on
player spending which can only be increased once an operator has
verified information about a customer, for example via an affordability
check.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/707815/Government_response_to_the_consultation_on_proposals_for_changes_to_gaming_machines_and_social_responsibility_measures.pdf

I wonder if Pstars are regretting the Sky purchase last week.

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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2018, 08:48:29 AM »

There are restrictions proposed on online gaming as well.  Seems to me that might affect poker.  

That reads to me like it will be guidance on when source of funds checks must be carried out.  IE crap deposit limits until you do it and prove you can afford it.

At the moment I have read some source of funds checks are being sent on withdrawal requests, which is completely wrong if they are supposed to be checking the person can afford what they are depositing and are not using dodgy money.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2018, 08:54:13 AM »

Regarding the share price I also expected a larger drop, but reading between the lines it is going to be a year or two before this limit is actually enforced.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2018, 09:02:31 AM »

Did the market just know this was imminent?

Incred scenes anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 09:08:24 AM »

Nicked from Twitter: "Any betting shop that has to close because of this should not have opened in the first place".
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2018, 09:12:02 AM »

There are restrictions proposed on online gaming as well.  Seems to me that might affect poker.  

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4.18. The Commission will bring forward proposals for mandatory limits on
player spending which can only be increased once an operator has
verified information about a customer, for example via an affordability
check.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/707815/Government_response_to_the_consultation_on_proposals_for_changes_to_gaming_machines_and_social_responsibility_measures.pdf

I wonder if Pstars are regretting the Sky purchase last week.




Think my Sky limits aren't going to need an affordability check anytime soon.

Grandma might struggle though she doesn't bet massively either.  

Philip Davies and Esther McVey can fk right off this morning.   Will have to start cooking their own dinners, though suggest Mr. Davies will find other sources of hospitality given his low thresholds.
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2018, 09:21:28 AM »

There are restrictions proposed on online gaming as well.  Seems to me that might affect poker. 

That reads to me like it will be guidance on when source of funds checks must be carried out.  IE crap deposit limits until you do it and prove you can afford it.

At the moment I have read some source of funds checks are being sent on withdrawal requests, which is completely wrong if they are supposed to be checking the person can afford what they are depositing and are not using dodgy money.

They discuss the issue of player ID elsewhere (and also delaying withdrawals in another section)

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The Commission requires licensees to have policies and procedures
designed to prevent underage gambling.  Under existing requirements,
operators have a period of 72 hours to carry out age verification.  The
Commission intends to bring forward proposals to remove the current
72 hour window for age verification checks - meaning that age
verification must be completed before a customer is able to deposit
funds and gamble.

The general tone of the proposals seems to be around risky activity - I'm not sure what they will make of a winning poker player who spends 60 hours a week online.  You might remember some threads about poker players getting their accounts shut down at banks just because of their risk profile.

I just looked at my betfair exchange turnover for the last three months - losses of £27129, wins of £29487.*  My income is a pension of £1000 a month....  Plenty of poker players will have huge losing runs and no income because they are staked.  I hate to think what arbhoy's exchange turnover is.  

Hopefully it won't be an issue as peer to peer is small in comparison to other gambling, but if the companies are being forced to get rid of whales they might want to get rid of sharks as well.



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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2018, 10:13:32 AM »

Hills have stated 900 of their roughly 2000 shop estate will be unprofitable as a result. 

Outside of the direct impact on the industry i think it says a lot about the bigger political picture that the tories have done this.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2018, 11:25:43 AM »

Hills shares now in full on rally mode

Guess people will still lose the same, just takes a bit more time

Less chance of hitting a big "walk away" win as well.

Slot players also unaffected
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2018, 12:40:04 PM »

Hills shares now in full on rally mode

Guess people will still lose the same, just takes a bit more time

Less chance of hitting a big "walk away" win as well.

Slot players also unaffected

No way people still lose the same!

Just a complete waste of time playing them now

I for one would like to say that I feel my human rights have been breached by forcing me into a casino if I want a Blackjack fix mid drinking session  Cry

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2018, 02:07:02 PM »

Hills shares now in full on rally mode

Guess people will still lose the same, just takes a bit more time

Less chance of hitting a big "walk away" win as well.

Slot players also unaffected

No way people still lose the same!

Just a complete waste of time playing them now

I for one would like to say that I feel my human rights have been breached by forcing me into a casino if I want a Blackjack fix mid drinking session  Cry


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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2018, 02:07:51 PM »

I've had to send bank statements to some of the casinos I use for slots, to prove my salary.
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