Ruling!

[TightEnd]

Cash Game on Flop.

A bets $25, B All-In $135,

C exposes hand to A and folds.

A calls and B objects that new information has been introduced.

Ruling?

Does anything change?

Should anyone get to re-act on their hand?

(this happened at the Aria)

[Longines]

Give everyone their money back and C gets a two round/two hour* penalty.

Any other option just seems to invite angleshooting.




*Depending on how much of an idiot he is.

[Doobs]

 I think it depends what he showed.  Flashing 27 off barely changes anything.   Even 77 doesn't change much.  AK or QQ would be huge.  If he flashed QQ and the fella calls with JJ, you have to void it?

[Tal]

Can't void it unless player you believe A is complicit or that A was folding until he saw the exposed cards.

About doing what is fair.

[tikay]

Can't void it unless player you believe A is complicit or that A was folding until he saw the exposed cards.

About doing what is fair.

I don't know what is fair here, except to have C summarily shot.

[kukushkin88]

Can't void it unless player you believe A is complicit or that A was folding until he saw the exposed cards.

About doing what is fair.

I don't know what is fair here, except to have C summarily shot.

I think carry on, with the proviso C sits out the rest of the session and is on a last warning for a life ban. Unless he's genuinely clueless, that would be two rounds and point out how dumb he's been and why.

[tikay]

Can't void it unless player you believe A is complicit or that A was folding until he saw the exposed cards.

About doing what is fair.

I don't know what is fair here, except to have C summarily shot.

I think carry on, with the proviso C sits out the rest of the session and is on a last warning for a life ban. Unless he's genuinely clueless, that would be two rounds and point out how dumb he's been and why.

Well yes, if he is not very bright, I guess he just needs educating.

Usually, when they do this, they are saying "look what a great fold I am making" and showing A-Q or 8-8 or whatever.

It happens so often though, and it's time - for the good of poker - that the whip was cracked and an example made of these poor souls.

[Doobs]

Can't void it unless player you believe A is complicit or that A was folding until he saw the exposed cards.

About doing what is fair.

I don't know what is fair here, except to have C summarily shot.

I think carry on, with the proviso C sits out the rest of the session and is on a last warning for a life ban. Unless he's genuinely clueless, that would be two rounds and point out how dumb he's been and why.

Well yes, if he is not very bright, I guess he just needs educating.

Usually, when they do this, they are saying "look what a great fold I am making" and showing A-Q or 8-8 or whatever.

It happens so often though, and it's time - for the good of poker - that the whip was cracked and an example made of these poor souls.

We played a charity £25 game at work the other day.  String bets galore, people announcing call and raising,  single bet raises.  All were told gently what the rules were and let off.  Game needs new blood.  Way more people need making examples for the good of poker than the clueless newbies. 

C should definitely get some punishment, but unless he is known as a regular angle shooter, or buddies with the fella making the call, just make it a round or so.

I do think the void or not status does depend on what is shown.   Higher pair or AK/AQ as to be a void.   No other way to make it fair for players A and B.

If C flashes72 off and B complains, give B a penalty too. 

[celtic]

Cash Game on Flop.

A bets $25, B All-In $135,

C exposes hand to A and folds.

A calls and B objects that new information has been introduced.

Ruling?

Does anything change?

Should anyone get to re-act on their hand?

(this happened at the Aria)

What were the hands involved?

This might make a difference?

[pvas2]

C should get a final warning and if it happens again he gets a ban. Sucks for B but hand plays out.

[bergeroo]

I've never seen anyone get a penalty in a cash game. Do you have to post blinds when you sit out, or does it just mean you just get sent to the bar for a while?

[Rexas]

Don't think it's fair to penalise player A, unless he is obviously complicit. It's not his fault that C decided to show him his cards, and I think if you kill his hand or void the entire pot then there's potential for a different sort of (admittedly complicated and situational) collusion, plus it's downright unfair especially if A has an obvious call as it is.

Penalties seem inefficient in a cash game, although this seems like a pretty good scenario to enforce one. Maybe just give him a round penalty and a firm talking to if he's relatively new, boot him from the game on the grounds of having had too much to drink and have a word with him next time he's there if he's drunk, or just bar him if he's a reg and there's malicious intent (like he's trying to encourage a call from A because he doesn't like B or something). Intrigued by what the actual ruling was here?