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« on: February 06, 2006, 08:39:10 PM »


 I would appreciate peoples opinion on this as I'm not sure I made the right decision..

      Multi-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
MTT Table 25 7025613-86 Holdem No Limit 200/400
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Hand Start.
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 1 : prince707 has $14,435
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 2 : Rammy has $11,480
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 3 : greekgod64 has $7,620
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 4 : mwanza has $6,645
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 5 : sharpy has $15,505
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 6 : tantepose has $19,205
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 7 : cheshirerog has $10,820
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 8 : Bulldozer has $7,630
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 9 : creeky has $19,130
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : 'Dead button' is at seat 7
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : prince707 posted small blind.
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Rammy posted big blind.
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Game [86] started with 9 players.
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Feb 5 22:11:33] : Seat 5 : sharpy has 
[Feb 5 22:11:35] : greekgod64 folded.
[Feb 5 22:11:41] : mwanza called 400 and raised 800
[Feb 5 22:11:43] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 8 min. Break in: 30 min. Players : 328
[Feb 5 22:11:50] : sharpy called 1,200 and raised 1,600
[Feb 5 22:11:50] : tantepose folded.
[Feb 5 22:11:51] : cheshirerog folded.
[Feb 5 22:12:03] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 8 min. Break in: 29 min. Players : 325
[Feb 5 22:12:06] : prince707 has 10 seconds to respond.
[Feb 5 22:12:15] : prince707 folded.
[Feb 5 22:12:15] : Rammy folded.
[Feb 5 22:12:17] : mwanza called 1,600 and raised 3,845 and is All-in
[Feb 5 22:12:23] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 7 min. Break in: 29 min. Players : 323
[Feb 5 22:12:31] : It's your turn.
[Feb 5 22:12:31] : sharpy has 10 seconds to respond

 Now at this point I am sure he has a pair but not sure how big because previously he has initially raised bigger amounts when he has been first to act on a pot.(these raises went uncontested)
 
 What to do?
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2006, 08:53:23 PM »

3845 to call for 8445 in the pot already. You're getting more than 2-1. You have to call.
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2006, 08:59:43 PM »

I agree with Nohomer.
You cannot do anything other than call here, and even if you lose, you still have quite a few chips left.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2006, 10:37:01 PM »

yeah you have to call. not only because of pot odds. but because you're up against what is probably a desperate short stack who knows he won't be able to get back into the tournament without a big pot or big steal. you'd still have about 10k in chips if you you're up against KK or AA.
then again you should be taking the type of player you're up against into account also. but chances are you're up against AQ or JJ or something.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2006, 10:54:23 PM »


  Thanks guys,I knew the pot odds were right, I was trying to decide wether he had kings/aces or not..

  Anyway I called..He turns over pair of 8's

  I caught a king on the flop and no help for him.

  I just wasn't sure about his pair.....I didn't think he would risk his tournament on a medium pair
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2006, 11:14:17 PM »


  Thanks guys,I knew the pot odds were right, I was trying to decide wether he had kings/aces or not..

  Anyway I called..He turns over pair of 8's

  I caught a king on the flop and no help for him.

  I just wasn't sure about his pair.....I didn't think he would risk his tournament on a medium pair

In a situation like this, the chances of him having AA or KK are unlikely because you're already holding one of each. With bigger chips stacks and/or smaller blinds the case for laying it down grows.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2006, 11:00:24 AM »

Over a range of hands AKS cannot be enough of a dog to justify a fold here its a mandatory call.
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