Gameshow ppitch feedback

[gmoneyAK]

Hello i work at a production company in Manchester and they are preparing to do a pilot for a show to pitch to some tv channels one of the ideas they want to pursue is a gambling style find the best punter kind of thing. So what i am want to do is put the idea up here and get some feedback to see what you think of the idea how it can be improved etcd whats shit what you like. All feedback welcome good or bad.

Basicaally they want to find 8 contestants who each have to put up 1000 pounds of their own money. Each contestant then has to do 5 things with that money they are

200 quid horse bet
200 quid dog bet
200 quid football bet
200 quid sports bet
200 quid poker

there will also be a a mian winner takles all prize provided by a sponsor hopefull in the region of 25000 to 50000 then the three best punters out of the 8 qualify fot the grand final. The best punters being the ones that have the mosty money left after they have done the five bets. Any players who have money left and are not in the top top three lose the money anyway and whatever they have left gets added to the overall prize pool.

The final then is the three best players get 1 week to do whatever they want with there profit can stick it all on one horese etc enter a poker tournament or not even have a bet at all hoping other players will lose it all. Then finally agfter the week the one player wins the whole thing including any profit from the other 2 remaining finalists.

So thats the idea what does everyone think about the format all opinions appreciated.

Couple of points that were worrying me that i have discussed with production manger is it will be basically following people around with a camer vidseo diary style and how to draw the maximum excitement from that and also the final would be better if you could get the finalists together face to face etc.

The other thinkg was it would be over the period of 8 weeks and i feel all the best game shows etc happen in one day and are a chance to wina huge some of money but the chance you could win nothing ie deal or no deal, millionaire, weakest link etc.

The other thing which i would like people to consider is would you be willing to lose 1000 of your own money to win 50000. Anyway sorry about the long posts and all feedback is welcome especially bad feedback thanks

[thetank]

Howsabout getting 8 punters to bet £1000 each week, but with each one specializing in a different sport/game.

This way, each week you could look at betting on each sport/game in greater depth. Getting an "expert" in his chosen field rather than 8 guys doing too many things half-assed.
Instead of just being a battle between people who nobody knows it'd be a competition to see what's the best thing to bet on. I think this'd get the viewers more engaged.

You've got a grand, a week, one choice of thing to bet on, make as much money as you can. Point a camera at them and explain a bit about what they're doing, the world they're in etc. and there's your programme.

Maybe you could have one guy going round playing fruit machines, one guy on the poker, one guy betting on horses, one on casino games, one of football, one playing the stock market, one playing the dogs, one doing football bets and so on.


Just my tuppence worth mate 

[thetank]

Couple more thoughts,

Live and internet poker being different disciplines on different weeks.

If you're going to be getting specialists, then you could find folk willing to put up more than £1000. More £=better TV.

Also, you'd need to somehow get whole responsible gambling message across. With 8 guys trying to make as much as they can in a week from £5,000 say, I'm sure at least a couple would end up down for the week. Emphasising their losses might do the trick.

A panel of "celebrity gambling experts" could comment on each competitors video diary.

Also, try and get some scantily clad women in there somewhere. Not sure how you'll manage this. Kev might have an idea or two?

Just my fourpence worth 

[gmoneyAK]

like the ideas not to sure about scantily clad women though. The sensible gambliing message was somethinig we had though about and would be included somehow. One idea we came up with is the final gamble kind iof thing the winner has the chance to have one last bet etc and risk everyhting on one bet and whatever they win would be matched that of course is something that will be down to budget but as an idea how many people would gamble their 50k with the opportunity for whatever you win to be matched again ? 50k on a 10-1 horse 1/2 mill would you!

Any more opinions anybody and who wants to put up 1k and be one of the first contestants

[thetank]

Missed that part, you stump up yer own cash and don't get to keep the profit. Hmmmmmmm

Sounds a bitty iffy. What's the reason for doing things that way?

[gmoneyAK]

as im only a lowly researcher for the produciton company im just putting the idea out there to get some feedback of what peoples ideas were etc. I dont give a **** if i cant spell or type its late im tired and my grammar or lack of it is nothing to do with the feedback i eas after. Obvioulsy its just at the idea stage and its looking at being pitched but before you pitch you look at pros and cons. If you dont wasnt to leave feedback then dont

As for the not keeping your money if you are not in top three thats the gamble 1000k of your own money to be the best and win 50k are you willing to risk your 1000k even if you make a profit. Anyone any opinions about the idea welcome not about my ability to spell.

[gmoneyAK]

Tank, the whole thing stinks like my bin on a Monday.

I know ideas for new TV shows all start like this in a brainstorming session, but this guy/ company wants the public to do the work for him/ them...and then fund it too!!

You couldn't make it up.

Do the work for me simply want opinions from the kind of people (poker players) who might just like to take such a gamble 1k for a shot at 50k)

Say you could play your 1k at poker and try and make more profit than 8 other random guys. Would you be willinfg to risk the 1k to win 50k. The money does go towads final prizepool so in essence if you had a belief in your abilities to make a more profit than the others you would risk your 1k. Like i say all idea stages at the moment. Criticis the idea not me.

[gmoneyAK]

also axeman you sound a bit bitter at the tv industry is that something that has come on since your not on it anymore.

[thetank]

Say you could play your 1k at poker and try and make more profit than 8 other random guys. Would you be willinfg to risk the 1k to win 50k.

No, it sounds too dodgy.
If a TV prog is giving away 50K but 8 players have to bring their own 1k to the fray??

Not for me, too reeky of scam.
Perhaps a set-up where the top 3 are plants that clean up in some sort of fix. Not saying that's the case, but something isn't right here.

Not wanting to cast dispersions on your character here gmoneyAK. I'm not saying it's bent, it will just look that way. You'll be hard pushed to convince any poker player to do this with his own 1k as most will see it in a similar light. I feel a re-think may be necessary.

[gmoneyAK]

its not a scam its a reputable production company that comes up with 100s of ideas for tv programmes etc of all formats, and are looking to come up with a game show idea and as with any show you get public opinion you then put together a pilot. The 1k was the unique selling point risking your own money for a shot at 50k. Obviously it would not be a scam as all the bets etc or whatever the money was placed on would be recorded and fairly monitored. The reason they came up with the idea of the 1k was if you had 1k of someone elses money your likely to approach the gamble different than if it was your own money. Obvioulsy as a bew programme is conceived problems arise that you would not forsee. That was the main reason to get some feedback of like minded individuals and gamblers.


before the idea is pitched properly the company is gonna run an imaginary run through to see anymore problems that occur. However if many people see the idea of gambling their own money as a likely scam then maybe it is something the production company will look at. It was just thought that risking 1k of your own money for a life changing amount of money was the big turn on. Like the guy who had all is money on one spin if roulette.

As an example look at the programme THE ULTIMATE GAMBLER they give the guy 15k to win as much money as possible and he gets to keep the profit now he goes round the workd and at the end of the day it doesnt really matter if he wins or loses cos hes not risking anything. But if that same guy has to use 15k of his own money and the show meant whatever he matches will ber matched by x4 its a much more riskier prospect and brings into question risk reward.

Or for instance i willo spin a coin and you can have 1000 pound i have give you on heads or tails and i will give you 3-1 your gonna go okay. What if it is your own 1000 and i give you 3-1 do you take the risk RISK REWARD etc .

Thanks for the info as it all helps me do my job as researcher but i was miffed at being criticised for my spelling and it being dodgy. Its not dodgy im not asking anyone to take part its still in very early stages and maybe one of those ideas that never leaves the drawing board but you gotta come up with a 100 ideas to fina one idea you like and even then it might not be any good. Thats TV!

[thetank]

It just needs a small ammendment.

If they gamble and win but don't finish in top 3 let them keep it. What's to be gained from taking it off them (besides the obvious) It won't make that big a difference to the top prize. There's still the chance that they'll lose it all anyway.

I don't think risking 1k of your own money is that great a hook for a TV prog. It's simply not enough as it's within the realms of possibility for most people to be able to gamble that amount.

[Gryffles]

Basically someone at this TV company saw King of Vegas and decided they wanted to do the dodgy east end geezer version for the UK market.
Not only that but to make it incredibly cheap they want the contestants to pay the prize money.

To quote my favourite typo.
Jopke.

[gmoneyAK]

What was the kings of vegas never seen it was was the format. AS for east end cokney its a manchester firm so it will have to be salford scally

[Ironside]

gmoney what your doing by getting the person to put up the money then lose it all if he isnt in the top 3 is change the way the person will gamble

he will now no longer gamble in a way to maximise profit while reducing loses he will just gamble as there is no point making a small profit if the other 7 people have all gone for doubling up on a coin flip thus making a mockery of the show

you asked for feedback both postive and negitive now dont snap just because its negative

[Nem]

He didn't snap at the negative feedback, he snapped because another member questioned his spelling and grammar.