schoolgirl who joined IS but wants to come home.

[tikay]

What becomes of her days old son - does he remain a British citizen?

[Doobs]

What becomes of her days old son - does he remain a British citizen?

He isn't one, but could become one in more normal times

If you are born abroad, you are not automatically a British citiizen.   I worked with a person who decided with his wife (both British citizens) to have their baby in the land of their parents.   I don't know if it is resolved yet, but suspect they should have done some better research.

[Juperjiper]

What becomes of her days old son - does he remain a British citizen?

He isn't one, but could become one in more normal times

If you are born abroad, you are not automatically a British citiizen.   I worked with a person who decided with his wife (both British citizens) to have their baby in the land of their parents.   I don't know if it is resolved yet, but suspect they should have done some better research.

He’s going to grow up to despise this country

[4KSuited]

Glad she didn’t pretend to have regrets and get back in to the country

Was talking about this earlier with my wife - got to be the most poorly advised/helped person ever.

One minute of , I was 15, radicalised, and I'm terribly sorry about the choices I made and she would have been on the next plane

This was exactly my take on two interviews. In the first meeting with The Times' Anthony Loyd she could not really have been prepared at all with the 'right answers', although his questions were leading enough for her to arrive at them if she'd taken his implied direction. By the time she met the SKY broadcaster, you'd think she'd have realised what she needed to say to gain some measure of public sympathy here. Then again, I guess high quality PR advisers are a little thin on the ground in Syria's refugee camps. I felt that the SKY interviewer tried really hard to get her to show remorse and contrition, but she completely failed to spot his leading questions. Shows how mentally drained she must be.

[StuartHopkin]

Funny that not wanting traitor terrorists milling around our society is far right politics now, lolz

Indeed.  When I see Doobs, Cuckoo and Mint squealing it just affirms I am comfortable with the Government decision as a rationale decent middle of the road citizen.

If you are right and you might be, the middle of the road is much further right than it used to, we should all be ashamed that we let that happen.

I'm a bit older than you and in the 60s/70s/80s even - the middle of the road was much, much (and one more much) further right than it is now. One of the huge mistakes of the left (imho) is to brand fairly mainstream views as right wing. It's become pretty meaningless and is much more to do with left wing dogma than where the right is.

I definitely think you have a point but it gets a little bit lost in the fact that Britain was very racist and intolerant through that period. We had to move on from that, often, it seems some people want to go back.

Those were the days.

[BigAdz]

Why are people so pleased; if the Government thinks it is ok to render her stateless, they also think it is OK to render you stateless?  

Is nobody worried that our elected home secretary has so little regard for the law?  

She really seems a strange person to break the precedent on.   There are far worse people in our prisons.  Do we deprive them of UK citizenship too?  

And maybe, just maybe, there are still some people who believe the Conservatives have good intentions; what happens when this new power is in the hands of someone who we don't trust?  

Having made such a contemptible mess of Brexit, they need to pander to the far right more than ever. This is ideal for that.

It’s a truly extraordinary decision, if she doesn’t get interviewed in the camp by The Times, she in all likelihood comes home with a minimum of fuss. Now she’ll be the first ever to have their nationality rescinded. My first assumption was that she’d be coming home to face charges/potential incarceration. Seems like a very good chance she hasn’t broken a law of any consequence though. This government has done some extraordinary things, loads of it against the grain of so much of the progress of the last 75 years.

A couple of my mates are proper Labourites, and one even admits to voting Liberal, but they seem quite pleased to hear this too. Not just us Hitler Youth Kush....

I for one am very happy. As Mantis says, I have no great design to align myself to terrorists, so I feel quite calm about it.

The reality is we should have done more sooner, and changed the law long ago. I'm just glad for once Tommy common sense has prevailed. IMHOOC

You seem to misunderstand every single post. They (the government) are pandering to the far right, that doesn’t mean you are far right. It also doesn’t mean people with largely respectable political views won’t also think it’s good idea, hopefully only a small number of them though.

No Kush. YOU don't understand MY post.

You say that we are pandering to the far right, is an absolute load of bollocks. Men and Women and probably trans people of all colours and creed and political views have been saying she shouldn't be allowed to come back. Its general weight of opinion, not just the far right. That was my point.

And this is the point where, when I used to respect what you say, I have lost any respect for you.

I definitely think you have a point but it gets a little bit lost in the fact that Britain was very racist and intolerant through that period. We had to move on from that, often, it seems some people want to go back.


We are now so tied up with, Can't say this, cant say that, how can you possibly make such a daft statement? There maybe some push back in certain quarters, but I see instances every day of people who agree with insensitive statements on a range of topics, but still raise their eyebrows when someone else says it, such is the nature of the PC world we live in now  We are actually going the other way and it feels we are having the right to have strong opinions knocked out of us, if anything.

I do wonder what sort of environment you live and work in to think that agreeing to stop this girl makes us all far right wingers?

[kukushkin88]

Why are people so pleased; if the Government thinks it is ok to render her stateless, they also think it is OK to render you stateless?  

Is nobody worried that our elected home secretary has so little regard for the law?  

She really seems a strange person to break the precedent on.   There are far worse people in our prisons.  Do we deprive them of UK citizenship too?  

And maybe, just maybe, there are still some people who believe the Conservatives have good intentions; what happens when this new power is in the hands of someone who we don't trust?  

Having made such a contemptible mess of Brexit, they need to pander to the far right more than ever. This is ideal for that.

It’s a truly extraordinary decision, if she doesn’t get interviewed in the camp by The Times, she in all likelihood comes home with a minimum of fuss. Now she’ll be the first ever to have their nationality rescinded. My first assumption was that she’d be coming home to face charges/potential incarceration. Seems like a very good chance she hasn’t broken a law of any consequence though. This government has done some extraordinary things, loads of it against the grain of so much of the progress of the last 75 years.

A couple of my mates are proper Labourites, and one even admits to voting Liberal, but they seem quite pleased to hear this too. Not just us Hitler Youth Kush....

I for one am very happy. As Mantis says, I have no great design to align myself to terrorists, so I feel quite calm about it.

The reality is we should have done more sooner, and changed the law long ago. I'm just glad for once Tommy common sense has prevailed. IMHOOC

You seem to misunderstand every single post. They (the government) are pandering to the far right, that doesn’t mean you are far right. It also doesn’t mean people with largely respectable political views won’t also think it’s good idea, hopefully only a small number of them though.

No Kush. YOU don't understand MY post.

You say that we are pandering to the far right, is an absolute load of bollocks. Men and Women and probably trans people of all colours and creed and political views have been saying she shouldn't be allowed to come back. Its general weight of opinion, not just the far right. That was my point.

And this is the point where, when I used to respect what you say, I have lost any respect for you.

I definitely think you have a point but it gets a little bit lost in the fact that Britain was very racist and intolerant through that period. We had to move on from that, often, it seems some people want to go back.


We are now so tied up with, Can't say this, cant say that, how can you possibly make such a daft statement? There maybe some push back in certain quarters, but I see instances every day of people who agree with insensitive statements on a range of topics, but still raise their eyebrows when someone else says it, such is the nature of the PC world we live in now  We are actually going the other way and it feels we are having the right to have strong opinions knocked out of us, if anything.

I do wonder what sort of environment you live and work in to think that agreeing to stop this girl makes us all far right wingers?

You do misunderstand. I said the government are pandering to the far right. That does not mean that it is my opinion (this should be more obvious than it appears to be) that everyone who agrees with their decision is aligned or associated with the far right.

I live in a small Herts village, I work for the government and I socialise mostly in London. I don’t think any of that prohibits me from being a good judge of government behaviour and where certain actions sit on the political spectrum.

[Woodsey]

Why are people so pleased; if the Government thinks it is ok to render her stateless, they also think it is OK to render you stateless?  

Is nobody worried that our elected home secretary has so little regard for the law?  

She really seems a strange person to break the precedent on.   There are far worse people in our prisons.  Do we deprive them of UK citizenship too?  

And maybe, just maybe, there are still some people who believe the Conservatives have good intentions; what happens when this new power is in the hands of someone who we don't trust?  

Having made such a contemptible mess of Brexit, they need to pander to the far right more than ever. This is ideal for that.

It’s a truly extraordinary decision, if she doesn’t get interviewed in the camp by The Times, she in all likelihood comes home with a minimum of fuss. Now she’ll be the first ever to have their nationality rescinded. My first assumption was that she’d be coming home to face charges/potential incarceration. Seems like a very good chance she hasn’t broken a law of any consequence though. This government has done some extraordinary things, loads of it against the grain of so much of the progress of the last 75 years.

A couple of my mates are proper Labourites, and one even admits to voting Liberal, but they seem quite pleased to hear this too. Not just us Hitler Youth Kush....

I for one am very happy. As Mantis says, I have no great design to align myself to terrorists, so I feel quite calm about it.

The reality is we should have done more sooner, and changed the law long ago. I'm just glad for once Tommy common sense has prevailed. IMHOOC

You seem to misunderstand every single post. They (the government) are pandering to the far right, that doesn’t mean you are far right. It also doesn’t mean people with largely respectable political views won’t also think it’s good idea, hopefully only a small number of them though.

No Kush. YOU don't understand MY post.

You say that we are pandering to the far right, is an absolute load of bollocks. Men and Women and probably trans people of all colours and creed and political views have been saying she shouldn't be allowed to come back. Its general weight of opinion, not just the far right. That was my point.

And this is the point where, when I used to respect what you say, I have lost any respect for you.

I definitely think you have a point but it gets a little bit lost in the fact that Britain was very racist and intolerant through that period. We had to move on from that, often, it seems some people want to go back.


We are now so tied up with, Can't say this, cant say that, how can you possibly make such a daft statement? There maybe some push back in certain quarters, but I see instances every day of people who agree with insensitive statements on a range of topics, but still raise their eyebrows when someone else says it, such is the nature of the PC world we live in now  We are actually going the other way and it feels we are having the right to have strong opinions knocked out of us, if anything.

I do wonder what sort of environment you live and work in to think that agreeing to stop this girl makes us all far right wingers?

You do misunderstand. I said the government are pandering to the far right. That does not mean that it is my opinion (this should be more obvious than it appears to be) that everyone who agrees with their decision is aligned or associated with the far right.

I live in a small Herts village, I work for the government and I socialise mostly in London. I don’t think any of that prohibits me from being a good judge of government behaviour and where certain actions sit on the political spectrum.

From everything you write it’s absolutely clear to me that what you think is far right is probably more centre right. You are just so far left that your opinion is completely skewed.

[SuuPRlim]

She struck me as a classic sociopath in her interview, kind of the perfect target for stuff like this...

It's a totally miserable situation I can't come to an opinion on it, on the one hand you have someone who has actively supported and i imagine contributed to serious terrorism, for whom is going to cost a lot of money to take care off...

Then on the other hand you have a heavily pregnant 19yr old girl, who will be left in possibly the most dangerous place in the world. Part of the UKs ideology is that won't happen to UK citizens...

its horrible, makes me so sad there is enough hate in the world that this stuff can happen.

I kinda feel like the greater good might be to refuse here, set a precedent that might need setting. Politically its another impossible spot, I hate Theresa May and think this government is horrible but fuck they have run pretty terrible.

[BigAdz]

Why are people so pleased; if the Government thinks it is ok to render her stateless, they also think it is OK to render you stateless?  

Is nobody worried that our elected home secretary has so little regard for the law?  

She really seems a strange person to break the precedent on.   There are far worse people in our prisons.  Do we deprive them of UK citizenship too?  

And maybe, just maybe, there are still some people who believe the Conservatives have good intentions; what happens when this new power is in the hands of someone who we don't trust?  

Having made such a contemptible mess of Brexit, they need to pander to the far right more than ever. This is ideal for that.

It’s a truly extraordinary decision, if she doesn’t get interviewed in the camp by The Times, she in all likelihood comes home with a minimum of fuss. Now she’ll be the first ever to have their nationality rescinded. My first assumption was that she’d be coming home to face charges/potential incarceration. Seems like a very good chance she hasn’t broken a law of any consequence though. This government has done some extraordinary things, loads of it against the grain of so much of the progress of the last 75 years.

A couple of my mates are proper Labourites, and one even admits to voting Liberal, but they seem quite pleased to hear this too. Not just us Hitler Youth Kush....

I for one am very happy. As Mantis says, I have no great design to align myself to terrorists, so I feel quite calm about it.

The reality is we should have done more sooner, and changed the law long ago. I'm just glad for once Tommy common sense has prevailed. IMHOOC

You seem to misunderstand every single post. They (the government) are pandering to the far right, that doesn’t mean you are far right. It also doesn’t mean people with largely respectable political views won’t also think it’s good idea, hopefully only a small number of them though.

No Kush. YOU don't understand MY post.

You say that we are pandering to the far right, is an absolute load of bollocks. Men and Women and probably trans people of all colours and creed and political views have been saying she shouldn't be allowed to come back. Its general weight of opinion, not just the far right. That was my point.

And this is the point where, when I used to respect what you say, I have lost any respect for you.

I definitely think you have a point but it gets a little bit lost in the fact that Britain was very racist and intolerant through that period. We had to move on from that, often, it seems some people want to go back.


We are now so tied up with, Can't say this, cant say that, how can you possibly make such a daft statement? There maybe some push back in certain quarters, but I see instances every day of people who agree with insensitive statements on a range of topics, but still raise their eyebrows when someone else says it, such is the nature of the PC world we live in now  We are actually going the other way and it feels we are having the right to have strong opinions knocked out of us, if anything.

I do wonder what sort of environment you live and work in to think that agreeing to stop this girl makes us all far right wingers?

You do misunderstand. I said the government are pandering to the far right. That does not mean that it is my opinion (this should be more obvious than it appears to be) that everyone who agrees with their decision is aligned or associated with the far right.

I live in a small Herts village, I work for the government and I socialise mostly in London. I don’t think any of that prohibits me from being a good judge of government behaviour and where certain actions sit on the political spectrum.

Nah. I didn't misunderstand. Nothing to misunderstand. Are you saying Sadiq listened to a Tommy Robinson video and made this decision? That is the implication. Not that he listened to the massive general outpuring of anger that we could fall for the pathetic cat calls of a horrible human being, now trying to get the best for herself.

Pretty foolish if it is, and thats the way it read.

[MANTIS01]

Reality is the far left under JCorbs is the current danger regrading racism.

[StuartHopkin]

Has there been a massive general outpouring though?

You have the usual media whipping up a frenzy, you have the usual Facebook fakenews, funnies, nutters.

You have some politicians trying to use it to their advantage.

I refuse to believe that any of that represents many people in this country.

[nirvana]

Has there been a massive general outpouring though?

You have the usual media whipping up a frenzy, you have the usual Facebook fakenews, funnies, nutters.

You have some politicians trying to use it to their advantage.

I refuse to believe that any of that represents many people in this country.

How balanced. Like most things the reality of the specific situation becomes a sideshow to the main event of 2 tribes lining up against each others views and approaches.

[BigAdz]

Has there been a massive general outpouring though?

You have the usual media whipping up a frenzy, you have the usual Facebook fakenews, funnies, nutters.

You have some politicians trying to use it to their advantage.

I refuse to believe that any of that represents many people in this country.

When I have mates that don't even tell you which way they vote on election day, suddenly set wots app on fire with talk of it. Its a pretty good gauge.

The fact that so many people are on Social media, again gives a pretty good marker to the general tones.

The fact we have more than a few pages, tells a story etc etc etc.

How many people have to be on the news for it to be a story that we as a nation have an opinion on?

[Pokerpops]

Has there been a massive general outpouring though?

You have the usual media whipping up a frenzy, you have the usual Facebook fakenews, funnies, nutters.

You have some politicians trying to use it to their advantage.

I refuse to believe that any of that represents many people in this country.

When I have mates that don't even tell you which way they vote on election day, suddenly set wots app on fire with talk of it. Its a pretty good gauge.

The fact that so many people are on Social media, again gives a pretty good marker to the general tones.

The fact we have more than a few pages, tells a story etc etc etc.

How many people have to be on the news for it to be a story that we as a nation have an opinion on?

With your ability to discern a person’s political position from their contribution to a poker forum i’m sure you don’t need your mates to tell you how they voted. Although given your mis-call on mine maybe you do.

Regardless, Facebook and WhatsApp aren’t the place for a genuine appraisal of the public mood.