An ideal chance to slowplay?

[doubleup]

Whenever I see players make crappy little bets like this I want to smack them round the head. The problem with dealing with them is that it's invariably the bet of someone who either a) fears you making a proper bet if they check or b) has got what they think is close to the nuts and don't want to lose their customer.

This stupid bet means "check" and all your actions should be based on that premise.  If you were intending to check anyway just call, if you were intending to bet, then raise the amount that you were going to bet.  The players that bet like this always do what they were going to do if they checked in the first place i.e. call your raise if they they had check called and reraise if they had check raised.

So with this hand do you want to take the risk that he hits a str8 and takes a chunk of money from you?  If you take that risk what is the reward?  Also you must consider your overall game.  I want this player to fold J8 when I have AQ in a future hand when he "checks"  So I "bet" here about 2/3s pot.

[TightEnd]

Heeze is at seat 1 with 400.00
JespBP is at seat 2 with 363.00
Vassell is at seat 3 with 504.70
Mr End is at seat 4 with 360.40
ElefantMis is at seat 5 with 371.85
I GOAT FU is at seat 6 with 362.76
Dr_Jones is at seat 7 with 402.00
Tigerente is at seat 8 with 104.34
dondolla is at seat 9 with 222.60
Netto is at seat 10 with 401.60

Dr_Jones posts the large blind 4.00
I GOAT FU posts the small blind 2.00

I GOAT FU: --, --
Dr_Jones: --, --
Tigerente: --, --
dondolla: --, --
Netto: --, --
JespBP: --, --
Vassell: --, --
Mr End: ,
ElefantMis: --, --

Pre-flop:

Tigerente: Fold
dondolla: Fold
Netto: Raise  8.00
JespBP: Fold
Vassell: Fold
Mr End: Raise  24.00
ElefantMis: Fold
I GOAT FU: Fold
Dr_Jones: Fold
Netto: Call 24.00

Flop (Board: , , ):

Netto: Bet  4.00
Mr End: Raise  16.00
Netto: Call 16.00

Turn (Board: , , , ):

Netto: Bet  12.00
Mr End: ?

Now what? what has he got?

repeat..this is about maxmimising return, not a pot I lose

[AndrewT]

At this stage I would be tempted to type 'PUT IN A PROPER BET' into the chat box, then hit the All-in button... 

[ACE2M]

He has Ak, 77 or QQ he doesn't want to lay down. If he had AA i don't see him flat calling your raise on the flop. Put in a 2/3 pot bet and value bet on the river. I put him AK probably.

[TightEnd]

and of course my raise to $16 on the flop is a pot builder/tickler designed to keep my customer rather than a raise to $50.....


so who raises here?

who flat calls and then raises whatever he bets on the river?

[doubleup]

Now I just call to represent a worried AK.  As a result he may bet big on the river as either a value bet when he thinks he's ahead or a bluff.

If he checks on the river or puts in a small bet I overbet the pot.  If he bets big on the river I mimimum raise - giving him the opportunity to go all-in

[bundle]

I raise him right here, he has two pair Aces and 88 or AK so he's not going anywhere now. i make it $50 to see the river.

[bundle]

you might even get lucky, you could even end up getting  re raised

[doubleup]

I raise him right here, he has two pair Aces and 88 or AK so he's not going anywhere now. i make it $50 to see the river.

He has one of 3 things:

A monster (he thinks)

A hand that he would like to get to a showdown but won't be willing to stack off with

Nothing

The correct strategy here is get the maximum from all these scenarios.  Raising here will lose the last two - he won't like it with the second because he then has to call another bet.  A big bet on the river will get possibly raised by the first and the third and called by the second because he knows his maximum loss.

[yt]

I'm raising half the pot. if I win it there Im happy. He still has outs....

[NoflopsHomer]

At this stage I would be tempted to type 'PUT IN A PROPER BET' into the chat box, then hit the All-in button... 

[TightEnd]

Heeze is at seat 1 with 400.00
JespBP is at seat 2 with 363.00
Vassell is at seat 3 with 504.70
Mr End is at seat 4 with 360.40
ElefantMis is at seat 5 with 371.85
I GOAT FU is at seat 6 with 362.76
Dr_Jones is at seat 7 with 402.00
Tigerente is at seat 8 with 104.34
dondolla is at seat 9 with 222.60
Netto is at seat 10 with 401.60

Dr_Jones posts the large blind 4.00
I GOAT FU posts the small blind 2.00

I GOAT FU: --, --
Dr_Jones: --, --
Tigerente: --, --
dondolla: --, --
Netto: --, --
JespBP: --, --
Vassell: --, --
Mr End: ,
ElefantMis: --, --

Pre-flop:

Tigerente: Fold
dondolla: Fold
Netto: Raise  8.00
JespBP: Fold
Vassell: Fold
Mr End: Raise  24.00
ElefantMis: Fold
I GOAT FU: Fold
Dr_Jones: Fold
Netto: Call 24.00

Flop (Board: , , ):

Netto: Bet  4.00
Mr End: Raise  16.00
Netto: Call 16.00

Turn (Board: , , , ):

Netto: Bet  12.00
Mr End: Call 12.00

River (Board: , , , , ):

Netto: Bet  60.00
Mr End: Raise  120.00
Netto: Call 120.00

Mr End  has a full house 

Netto  has two pairs

Mr End wins the pot of 474.00 with a full house  .

[doubleup]

So predictable

I wonder if you could've got another 60 out of him.