Stu Rutter WSOP Package, Wednesday 28th May 2025, selling at 1.05

[booder]

My message is aimed directly at you and your friends and not just a view on suicide in general.

Tell me you have not a scintilla of empathy or compassion without using those words.

I have no clue who you are, nor what you have done in the past to warrant your status as moral arbiter, but your recent posts make me instinctively aware that I wouldn’t want to spend time with you.
(I couldn’t give a fuck if you feel the same way)

So ironic, because if you did know him, you'd know Celtic is a more compassionate and empathetic man than most.

From my own personal experience,  when my intrusive thoughts start to win , I struggle to tell anyone or speak about it. Suicidal people don't generally tell you about it , and definitely don't post about it on public forums.

Stu, I'm sure you felt dreadfully upset at being caught, and at the thought of people finding out, but you'll get through this . Opinions of strangers and vague acquaintances are not important. You've barred yourself from casinos so these people will soon forget you.

Your real friends will still be your real friends.

You've said you are sorry in your first reply. To say you're not looking for sympathy or trying to make excuses , but to then go on to talk about self harm and suicide,  to me that's a contradiction in itself.

If you hadn't have been caught out, you wouldn't feel bad. So you care only about your public persona rather than the moral angle of what you did.

So if you'd consider leaving your child and family, who love you unconditionally , because a forum of relative strangers know you scammed your backers, that's so sad. Genuinely reconsider going back on the antidepressants,  they're a long term drug and you may well have come off them too soon .

Wishing you only the best for your future.

 



and especially this

"Celtic is a more compassionate and empathetic man than most."

[the sicilian]

My message is aimed directly at you and your friends and not just a view on suicide in general.

Tell me you have not a scintilla of empathy or compassion without using those words.

I have no clue who you are, nor what you have done in the past to warrant your status as moral arbiter, but your recent posts make me instinctively aware that I wouldn’t want to spend time with you.
(I couldn’t give a fuck if you feel the same way)

So ironic, because if you did know him, you'd know Celtic is a more compassionate and empathetic man than most.

From my own personal experience,  when my intrusive thoughts start to win , I struggle to tell anyone or speak about it. Suicidal people don't generally tell you about it , and definitely don't post about it on public forums.

Stu, I'm sure you felt dreadfully upset at being caught, and at the thought of people finding out, but you'll get through this . Opinions of strangers and vague acquaintances are not important. You've barred yourself from casinos so these people will soon forget you.

Your real friends will still be your real friends.

You've said you are sorry in your first reply. To say you're not looking for sympathy or trying to make excuses , but to then go on to talk about self harm and suicide,  to me that's a contradiction in itself.

If you hadn't have been caught out, you wouldn't feel bad. So you care only about your public persona rather than the moral angle of what you did.

So if you'd consider leaving your child and family, who love you unconditionally , because a forum of relative strangers know you scammed your backers, that's so sad. Genuinely reconsider going back on the antidepressants,  they're a long term drug and you may well have come off them too soon .

Wishing you only the best for your future.

 



and especially this

"Celtic is a more compassionate and empathetic man than most."

Agreed..If the other man was Attila the Hun 

[easypickings]

Are you all still friends with Neil Blatchly as well?

That comparison’s a stretch

Agreed, I mean Blatch has never been convicted of mocking dead football fans. Silly comparison.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70jyj22r2vo.amp

Despite previously mentioning it, I would like to give the full story on this. The reason is that, whilst many people already knew, it has now been introduced to a whole new batch of people, via a comment of 'mocking dead football fans,'  and confusing, shocking articles.

This is also in the context that, obviously,  this is both a big issue,  and by far the smaller of the two issues on this thread.

What I did was bad. It deserves a ban and fine. It did not, in any way, mock dead football fans.  It does not deserve the punishment,  which is infinitely bigger, of articles, which remain forever,  which suggest a worse, darker story, through a deliberate lack of detail.

I repeat, what I did deserves punishment. I sang 'always the victims, it's never your fault.' I got punched (hence the black eye, making the article more sinister), I got arrested.

Switch on any United vs Liverpool game, and you will hear thousands singing it. That doesn't mean its OK, at all. I knew it was not completely harmless.

That chant, to me, encompasses many percieved things about Liverpool. Those start at standard banter, like Klopp complaining about 1230 kick off times and a perception of fans complaining about VAR, and next go up to serious but fair comment on issues like Liverpool over-defending Suarez after an allegation of racism against Evra.

I want to give a full account. Would I have been aware that one implication of the song could be Hillsborough? Yes, I would have said it is one of many interpretations. There must indeed be many interpretations, for the song to contain the words 'always' and 'never.' If one of many is Hillsborough,  it means the song is bad. But, even that one of many interpretations , it is not a mocking, it is an argument about the apportioning of the blame.

The song had, a week before, been added to the tragedy chant list

Overall, singing it is a stupid, unacceptable mistake. It deserves a ban. I think I deserve to give the full story.  I don't think it deserves an accusation of 'mocking dead football fans' a year on.

[redsimon]

Id put that shovel down imho

[easypickings]

I am posting because I don't want silence to suggest anything but how deeply sorry, and devastated I am, and always will be.

I don't want anything I say to sound the slightest bit like an excuse,  the slightest bit like looking for sympathy.

I can promise that on both issues, with the football one being bad, and the poker one far far bigger, I have suffered massively, and , especially with the poker, can be sure that I will every day for ever.

My wife came home the day after I got home from Vegas to find me with knives and 30 paracetamol tablets.  I would have thrown myself in front of a truck on the last day in Vegas if it wasn't for a dear friend talking me through every step of the way. I have had suicidal thoughts ever since the football incident, and have had a period of time on anti depressants.  I have been very suicidal the last two weeks, and frequently think of throwing myself in front of a train. Some messages here may seem undeservedly supportive,  but they have kept me alive. I am trying to keep myself alive for my family, and 6 year old boy

I want to clarify the football thing. The poker consequences are all completely deserved.  They are deserved for ever. The football thing, I do believe I have suffered enough.

 I sang 'always the victims, it's never your fault.' I got punched, got arrested in the commotion. What I did was very bad. It deserves a football ban, deserves a fine. But 99.9% of the punishment comes in the articles being there for ever, and having exaggeration (Sheffield Star) up to 'mocking the dead.'

'Always the victims' is a generic football chant that I have heard multiple times on the TV before and since. I repeat, what I did was bad, but I want to clarify the whole thing. Obviously my mental health has been bad for a long time, and the football thing has put me in a deserved dark place for a long time since, the poker thing a deserved, far far deeper one

If you think getting convicted for a crime or fiddling a few quid from backers is enough to want you to commit suicide when you have a 6 year old child then you need to seek professional help and stop fannying around on a poker forum worrying about what a bunch of people think about you.

Let me make it completely clear, that I am fully aware of the massive punishment I deserve for what I have done. I will live that punishment for ever.

I think it is fair, however, as an independent thing, to ask, why some posts are still here? My feeling is that the thread doesn't need to be, but I do understand that there is an argument for the thread being here.

But why do 2 posts- one abusing me for my reasons for being suicidal not qualifying as being good enough, and another, more well meaning, telling me that I am not suicidal- have to be here?

If there is some kind of qualification required on this forum, for whether someone is allowed to be suicidal, let me fill you in on the rest of my life. I have chronic fatigue syndrome. It is horrible. I have gone from running marathons, to my body packing in, in mysterious and unpredictable ways.  3 days ago, I walked 800m, as part of the near impossible attempt to slowly build. I am now on my third day of feeling exhausted as a result, dead to the world, depressed.

I repeat, the suicidal feelings that I have felt after my poker mistake are deserved. That mistake is of course independent from any illness. Explained partly by beng in a dark place, but with absolutely zero excuse.

I have received almost no response from the moderators (only from Ironside, thank you), to my fair questions about  whether those posts need to be here.  The person abusing me, for not having good enough reason to be suicidal, is himself a moderator.  That is the reason I ask on the forum. I repeat, I deserve no pity, no sympathy. But, in 2025, this horrible, old school attitude to suicide, and to someone who is actively feeling it, needs to be challenged. Please delete the relevant posts (and mine)

[celtic]

I am posting because I don't want silence to suggest anything but how deeply sorry, and devastated I am, and always will be.

I don't want anything I say to sound the slightest bit like an excuse,  the slightest bit like looking for sympathy.

I can promise that on both issues, with the football one being bad, and the poker one far far bigger, I have suffered massively, and , especially with the poker, can be sure that I will every day for ever.

My wife came home the day after I got home from Vegas to find me with knives and 30 paracetamol tablets.  I would have thrown myself in front of a truck on the last day in Vegas if it wasn't for a dear friend talking me through every step of the way. I have had suicidal thoughts ever since the football incident, and have had a period of time on anti depressants.  I have been very suicidal the last two weeks, and frequently think of throwing myself in front of a train. Some messages here may seem undeservedly supportive,  but they have kept me alive. I am trying to keep myself alive for my family, and 6 year old boy

I want to clarify the football thing. The poker consequences are all completely deserved.  They are deserved for ever. The football thing, I do believe I have suffered enough.

 I sang 'always the victims, it's never your fault.' I got punched, got arrested in the commotion. What I did was very bad. It deserves a football ban, deserves a fine. But 99.9% of the punishment comes in the articles being there for ever, and having exaggeration (Sheffield Star) up to 'mocking the dead.'

'Always the victims' is a generic football chant that I have heard multiple times on the TV before and since. I repeat, what I did was bad, but I want to clarify the whole thing. Obviously my mental health has been bad for a long time, and the football thing has put me in a deserved dark place for a long time since, the poker thing a deserved, far far deeper one

If you think getting convicted for a crime or fiddling a few quid from backers is enough to want you to commit suicide when you have a 6 year old child then you need to seek professional help and stop fannying around on a poker forum worrying about what a bunch of people think about you.

Let me make it completely clear, that I am fully aware of the massive punishment I deserve for what I have done. I will live that punishment for ever.

I think it is fair, however, as an independent thing, to ask, why some posts are still here? My feeling is that the thread doesn't need to be, but I do understand that there is an argument for the thread being here.

But why do 2 posts- one abusing me for my reasons for being suicidal not qualifying as being good enough, and another, more well meaning, telling me that I am not suicidal- have to be here?

If there is some kind of qualification required on this forum, for whether someone is allowed to be suicidal, let me fill you in on the rest of my life. I have chronic fatigue syndrome. It is horrible. I have gone from running marathons, to my body packing in, in mysterious and unpredictable ways.  3 days ago, I walked 800m, as part of the near impossible attempt to slowly build. I am now on my third day of feeling exhausted as a result, dead to the world, depressed.

I repeat, the suicidal feelings that I have felt after my poker mistake are deserved. That mistake is of course independent from any illness. Explained partly by beng in a dark place, but with absolutely zero excuse.

I have received almost no response from the moderators (only from Ironside, thank you), to my fair questions about  whether those posts need to be here.  The person abusing me, for not having good enough reason to be suicidal, is himself a moderator.  That is the reason I ask on the forum. I repeat, I deserve no pity, no sympathy. But, in 2025, this horrible, old school attitude to suicide, and to someone who is actively feeling it, needs to be challenged. Please delete the relevant posts (and mine)

Have you forgotten the messages we exchanged? The ones where I explained why I didn’t want my posts removed? And the one where you said the matter was now closed?