Middle set lay down

[ACE2M]

Harrington's quote  about ' when somebody tells me they layed down middle set after an intricate train of reasoning, i silently think 'idiot' (something like that anyway)

Do you think this applies to cash games also?
Playing last night $2/$4 NL HE
Late position raises to 24
i am on the button with KK and i call hoping to trap as the guy normally puts out big continuation bets, (also i would like to see if the ace comes)
BB calls also

flop J,8,2 rainbow.
BB checks
Raiser puts in a raise of 32
I raise to 64
BB re raises to 150
late pos dwells and folds
I move all in for around 600
BB takes every second before eventually folding

He has folded 88 as he is certain that i have JJ as that is the only hand i could possibly make that move with.
If it was the other way round my chips would have beaten his into the pot.

Is he right to lay this down?

[Splash]

I posted an article in my blog on laying down set in a cash game a few weeks ago.... it's a mugs laydown

[AndrewT]

If you hit middle set on an uncoordinated flop, and someone else has top set, it's quite simple. You give the other guy all your money.

Laying it down is the sign of a player who likes to think of himself as cleverer than he really is, that he can narrow his opponent's holding to exactly 2 cards. "Hey, look at the laydown I made!"

I hope you showed your KK...

[ACE2M]

If you hit middle set on an uncoordinated flop, and someone else has top set, it's quite simple. You give the other guy all your money.

Laying it down is the sign of a player who likes to think of himself as cleverer than he really is, that he can narrow his opponent's holding to exactly 2 cards. "Hey, look at the laydown I made!"

I hope you showed your KK...

i didn't but he's a non tilter so couldn't see any benefit in it. i confirmed he was right and i had JJ, he's a regular foe so i want to keep him sweet.

[ACE2M]

I posted an article in my blog on laying down set in a cash game a few weeks ago.... it's a mugs laydown

I have just read your blog splash. Most enjoyable.

[AndrewT]

If you hit middle set on an uncoordinated flop, and someone else has top set, it's quite simple. You give the other guy all your money.

Laying it down is the sign of a player who likes to think of himself as cleverer than he really is, that he can narrow his opponent's holding to exactly 2 cards. "Hey, look at the laydown I made!"

I hope you showed your KK...

i didn't but he's a non tilter so couldn't see any benefit in it. i confirmed he was right and i had JJ, he's a regular foe so i want to keep him sweet.

And be able to push him off middle set in the future...

[yt]

If you hit middle set on an uncoordinated flop, and someone else has top set, it's quite simple. You give the other guy all your money.

Laying it down is the sign of a player who likes to think of himself as cleverer than he really is, that he can narrow his opponent's holding to exactly 2 cards. "Hey, look at the laydown I made!"

I hope you showed your KK...

i didn't but he's a non tilter so couldn't see any benefit in it. i confirmed he was right and i had JJ, he's a regular foe so i want to keep him sweet.

Lets hope hes not on blonde......
nice hand though. and hes an idiot

[Bongo]

Surely you'd be trying to keep him in the pot with top set?

I think Harrington has it right in this case.

[ACE2M]

Surely you'd be trying to keep him in the pot with top set?

I think Harrington has it right in this case.

Good point.

 another intresting hand last night that sent me broke - blinds 50/100

UTG (similar stack to mine 5000ish) Raises to 400
button (big stack 14000) calls
I'm in the bb and call also with AJos

Flop A76

i check
utg checks
button raises 400
i call
utg passes

turn J (no flush possibilities)

i check
he bets 1400

Do you think i should be looking to get my chips in here? Should i have bet out?

[rivered]

If i have the player down as v good, then the cute bet on flop gets me thinking and I'm check calling.  If i know nothing, then i see him as the big stack trying to bully and I'm raising all in on turn.  I'm not laying down top two pair on a rainbow board.

[Phil]

Surely you'd be trying to keep him in the pot with top set?

I think Harrington has it right in this case.

Thats what I thought. He;d have to have experience of your playing made hand very strongly to decide that you were on JJ there. QQ, KK or AA makes 100% more sense after you reraise.

[ACE2M]

Surely you'd be trying to keep him in the pot with top set?

I think Harrington has it right in this case.

Thats what I thought. He;d have to have experience of your playing made hand very strongly to decide that you were on JJ there. QQ, KK or AA makes 100% more sense after you reraise.

One thing i could say in his defence is he has seen me bust many fishy players with extremely strong bets, i am continually amazed by the size of bets that will get called. I think your average fish just suspects any big bet is a bluff and cannot get away from top pair. Gawd bless em.

[M3boy]

I dont like the call with AJ here. Sooo many hands U are loosing to if an ace flops (ie AK AQ Ax where x is also on the flop)

But when the J comes - GET IT IN!!! If they have a set, well gl to them

[M3boy]

Oh , and laying down middle set?!?!?  FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO OTHER THAN POKER!!! (Unless I am in the game that is )

[NoflopsHomer]

Harrington's quote  about ' when somebody tells me they layed down middle set after an intricate train of reasoning, i silently think 'idiot' (something like that anyway)

Do you think this applies to cash games also?
Playing last night $2/$4 NL HE
Late position raises to 24
i am on the button with KK and i call hoping to trap as the guy normally puts out big continuation bets, (also i would like to see if the ace comes)
BB calls also

flop J,8,2 rainbow.
BB checks
Raiser puts in a raise of 32
I raise to 64
BB re raises to 150
late pos dwells and folds
I move all in for around 600
BB takes every second before eventually folding

He has folded 88 as he is certain that i have JJ as that is the only hand i could possibly make that move with.
If it was the other way round my chips would have beaten his into the pot.

Is he right to lay this down?

He's stoopid....