How to become the most unpopular man in the Casino

[Bongo]

It's simple, just say no to a saver on the bubble!

Truely effective - even people who aren't in the game will come and tell you what a disgrace you are (amongst other things)...

I remember snoopy commenting on this a whileback, but couldn't find the thread. It seems I'm far more stubborn than him though and actually did become the most hated man in the casino.

[matt674]

It was a thread by our very own Mr "4-7o/s" Wilson saying no to deals full stop - at any time in the tournament, particularly Savers on the bubble - and i agree completely with what he had to say.

Even on Tuesday when myself and BigArmo played a £100 n/l event in blackpool on tuesday there was never any talk of playing for a saver. Pity really as i ended up going out 12th and BigArmo went out in 11th............

We are now the "bubble brothers" 

[yt]

I thought you were going to say "Just announce that you and Dena are engaged to be married"
So many broken hearts....

[ACE2M]

I assume this is notts gala?

they always want to do a saver, i usually just agree and save the hassle. Although i bubbled last two times so i was quite happy about it.

Stick to your guns though bongo it is your perogative.

[Bongo]

I thought you were going to say "Just announce that you and Dena are engaged to be married"
So many broken hearts....

Maybe I should change the thread to 2nd most unpopular then! 

I assume this is notts gala?

they always want to do a saver, i usually just agree and save the hassle. Although i bubbled last two times so i was quite happy about it.

Stick to your guns though bongo it is your perogative.

Yes it was, and there are not worries about me sticking to my guns - I'm a stubborn old mule and it all amused me, although I really couldn't believe how some people were reacting - it's only a saver!

[AdamM]

good for you Bongo, tough to do. I'm strictly no deals at the final but I've never had the nerve to be the only no-saver guy. I once managed to stop it by starting a rumble of nos, infact I think you were on the same final, just before christmas. The flatter Notts structure was brought in by Rob on a strictly no deals policy. now he's gone that seems to have gone.

Next time I'll agree to 10th prize being split in two for 10th and 11th

[Bongo]

I could have been - I would say no anyway if it's the one I'm thinking of - I thought it would have been an insult to our table to give a saver that night given that we'd all been playing proper poker and playing hands with people building stacks and being knocked out - in contrast to the other table who just seemed to sit back and try to pass their way to the final.

I really don't like savers, it just seems really unfair to all the people who have gone out before the bubble by trying to build a stack for the final to then reward the people who sat back - not least because they might have played differently if they knew there was a prize for 11th. It also changes the way the game will be played - they were people passing in their blind when very low stacked because they were on the bubble - why would I want to take the pressure off them?

I think some people just don't like having the bubble, so they try and shift the bubble backwards to a point that has already passed.

[Junior Senior]

last time i made the final table at Notts (I need a map with directions on how to get there at the moment) there were saver requests at 11 left.  I was only average to small chips but i said no for two reasons:

1. It changes the texture of the game as the shortstacks who were under pressure suddenly now have their money back and will push with anything and it stops the big and medium stacks being allowed to play properly.

2. Spare a thought for the guy who sucked out to a beat in 12th when making a move on the chip daddy in an attempt to try and put themelves in a position to win rather than just ladder for a saver.  He may still be in the room when the cry for an 11th place saver goes up.  Would he still have made that move if he knew there were going to be 11 prizes?? - as far as he knew there were 10 prizes and he played accordingly to the structure set out before the comp started. - it is wrong and where do you draw the line? - 2 players get knocked out after 5 minutes and then do a 76 way split to gurantee profit?!

like the 80's drugs campaign

JUST SAY NO!

[patman]

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2. Spare a thought for the guy who sucked out to a beat in 12th when making a move on the chip daddy in an attempt to try and put themelves in a position to win rather than just ladder for a saver.  He may still be in the room when the cry for an 11th place saver goes up.  Would he still have made that move if he knew there were going to be 11 prizes?? -

a fine point ...where do you stop..

[thetank]

Don't debate the point while you're there.

Just, cooly and matter of factly, when the subject comes up say, "no savers"

If anyone says anything to you just explain yourself by saying, "I don't do savers"

If they continue to hit you with a barrage of abuse say to them one more time, "I don't do savers"


You can't argue for too long with a man who isn't arguing back without looking silly and getting bored.

Note : Don't try this debating tactic on the missus or you'll be on your arse.

[Karabiner]

It's simple, just say no to a saver on the bubble!

Truely effective - even people who aren't in the game will come and tell you what a disgrace you are (amongst other things)...

I remember snoopy commenting on this a whileback, but couldn't find the thread. It seems I'm far more stubborn than him though and actually did become the most hated man in the casino.

Naming the cheats seems to work pretty well too for some strange reason

[Nightfly]

good for you Bongo, tough to do. I'm strictly no deals at the final but I've never had the nerve to be the only no-saver guy. I once managed to stop it by starting a rumble of nos, infact I think you were on the same final, just before christmas. The flatter Notts structure was brought in by Rob on a strictly no deals policy. now he's gone that seems to have gone.
Next time I'll agree to 10th prize being split in two for 10th and 11th

I've not gone too far.

[Poppet7]

I've never been asked this before, I went out on the bubble in Ramsgate when we were playing hand for a hand, I was the only short stack on my table of 5, but there were 2 on the other table of 5 (1-9 gets paid). I agree with what Junior said - where does it stop? If, in your case, the bubble is no11 and they get paid... why can't no12, 13 etc get paid? What is the point of playing poker when there can't be a loser? and to have the rules changed from 10 people getting paid to 11 people, half way through the game, is just unfair. It's the same with deals, they're unfair too.

Bongo - don't worry about being the most hated man in the Casino! At least you were the only fair person playing that night, nobody had the right to complain to you though.

[Bongo]

I'm not bothered about being disliked it's more that I thought their behaviour was a disgrace.

I don't think it's a case that I was the only one playing fair, more that I was the only one who would stand up and say no in the face of such pressure.

Furthermore, I agree entirely with Junior in his comments, and they are my reasons for saying no - not that i would hugely object to the amount coming off first place.

[Junior Senior]

strangely enough i played at Notts Gala last night and when we were down to 12 players - someone suggested a £100 saver for 11th and 12th as the game had really slowed down and the big stacks weren't playing a hand, they just wanted to get to a final a bit quicker. - at the very point the suggestion of a saver came from the other table i was all-in on a move with garbage trying to nick the blinds as i was low stacked and the fella i moved in on was seriously contemplating a call (i hadn't suggested a saver and never would).  The 2 other low stacked players on my table agreed instantly to the saver, which put me in a funny predicament - i didn't want to make too much of a fuss and i certainly wasn't going to give away the strength of my hand by immediately agreeing so i just said "i'm really not bothered about £100, i only play to win.... but, if its just down to me, then i suppose i agree" - My opponent folded 

well..... i didn't want to make myself the most unpopular man in the casino now did i!

i still finished 12th though - bummer!