Poker Rankings

[AceofWands]

The rankings are done on a weighted place x buy-in x number of runners basis. Only the best five or ten results count depending on whether it is the individual game or overall list. You can play as many tourneys as you like to try and acheive this though.  It also includes some re-buy events which I don't think adds to the significance of the list.

Anyone can play in any ranked tourney so long as you have the entry fee.

 

[Sark79]

Thanks mate

[M3boy]

Just play some ranking events, get onto the final table for your name up in lights.

I WAS 10th in Omaha, but have now dropped down to 17th lol - oh well, least I WAS in the top ten for a while 

[Graham C]

wow, 17th isn't bad

[M3boy]

lol Graham, there have only been 2 or 3 events so far  ,i just managed to f/t in one of them.

Just watch me slide down those rankings now lol

[b4matt]

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These rankings are not all that meaningful.  I think most of the people on this site could make the top 50 if they had enough money to play the necessary tourneys. And being in the top 50 certainly doesn't necessarily mean you are making profit.

I'm just not sure of the true value of the rankings as they stand at the moment. As we know last years top ranked player was Mickey Wernick but in how many EPT main events did he make the final table. This is by no means a critism of Mickey as I think he is a great player, I just think it's a tad strange that Europes No1 can be a player who hasn't made the final in any of the EPT main events in that year.

IMO the current structure does tend to favour British pro's. As for Michael Greco's current ranking it is early days. I would be surprised if any of the players in the top 10 are there come the end of the year. As for MG remaining in 41st or in a higher position come the end of year I know what I would put my money on.

Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of rankings as the true reward in poker is whether or not you are a profitable player.   

I wasn't going to post a reply but i really feel the need- Being in the top 50 certainly doesn't mean your making a profit-correct.

However suggesting the rankings don't give some reflection of the best tournament players in European poker is crazy!

Mickey Wernick is a quite extraordinarily gifted poker player, he last year consistently final tabled and the rest of the leader board were all very impressive.

The rankings are based on your best ten finishes so only 10 scores count.

Have you played against any of the top ranking players? Theres a few who regularly post on here. Offer them a couple of heads uo games, try your luck at a Ranking event, Theres always luck in poker, however if it only came down to luck Micky and mates wouldn't be consistently up at the top.

[ifm]

It should be based on a money list really as golf is.
To avoid the UK bias they should stipulate that you must play (and include results from) 5 events from accross europe and take the other 5 from your best finishes anywhere else.
Money does have a huge bearing on rankings though (as does sponsorship), people with sponsorship deals will be up at the top again this year and people like Michael Greco will be invited to many events this year too.
Maybe you should be made to qualify for the main events? in the way that Grosvenor do with their Grand Prix?
Is the Grand Prix a ranking event? if you made that one of the 10 events you can score points in compulsory it would be better i think.
Though at the end of the day we can all do it with the talent, when i started going to Walsall Micky Wernick was playing the £10/£20 buyin games (as well as some festivals) and he went on a run where he finalled or won something like 5 times in one week!!
He then took that money to festivals around Britain and went on a tremendous run of "form" that eventually brought him the European crown and ultimately sponsorship.
A great player.

[Royal Flush]

The rankings have changed this year to include higher brackets for buyins and field size, this will make winning an EPT far more important that a £200 freezeout!

Still i think the rankings are a poor way to go about things, only the UK has a tournament circuit, so unless you play the UK festivals then you cant be European Champ.

[b4matt]

I'm not suggesting that the current ranking system is the best it can be, i'm sure it can be improved, however it's currently the only system we have to measure one player against another acros europe, flushy's right in that it's swayed to british based players due to the amount of comps here.

My point was that players who finished at the top end of the leader board did so due to skill, not because they are sponsored or rich.

This years rankings will more closely reflect a money list due to the increased point ratio for number of players and buy in.

Back to Mr Greco i believe he finished in 41st last year (or there abouts) not his current position this year.

 

[thediceman]

However suggesting the rankings don't give some reflection of the best tournament players in European poker is crazy!

Mickey Wernick is a quite extraordinarily gifted poker player, he last year consistently final tabled and the rest of the leader board were all very impressive.

The rankings are based on your best ten finishes so only 10 scores count.

Have you played against any of the top ranking players? Theres a few who regularly post on here. Offer them a couple of heads uo games, try your luck at a Ranking event, Theres always luck in poker, however if it only came down to luck Micky and mates wouldn't be consistently up at the top.

So at what point did I say the rankings bare no reflection on who are the best tournment players in European and whats with the childish "you should play them heads up" crap. I said Mickey was a great player, my point was that the rankings structure was bias towards those who can play in many more comps and therefore have a greater range of results to select from. Someone playing 30 ranking events is bound to have more opportunity to collect higher ranking points against someone who just plays 10 events and with the majority of smaller ranking events in the UK this is obviously an advantage for the British pro. Those who choose or can play more events such as sponsored players obviously have an advantage.

My actual stance was did the rankings, as they were structured, really highlight the BEST player of the year considering that Mickey had not finalled in ANY of the major EPT main events. I don't recall saying any of those who did finish in a high position last year were lucky. I also said I would be surprised if any of the top 10 "at the moment" after so few results of the year would remain in the top 10 at the end of the year.

b4Matt, your questioning against my agruement is always welcome but please don't use a ridiculous arguement of "you should play these guys heads up" or "try your luck at a ranking event" as these are just childish responses and are of no value whatsoever. What would it prove if I did these things you suggest. I have infact played against some of these people live and actually  outlasted some of them. So does that mean I'm better than those I outlasted, if so I'm better than YoYo and foxy but sadly not as good as Michael Greco. Now lets be adult, this is clearly not the case, or is it accordingly to your logic that I should play these guys sometime.

[AndrewT]

The variance is such in big poker tournaments that you could only get a true ranking of the best tournament poker players if the rankings were calculated on a rolling 20-30 year basis.

[12barblues]

Ace of Wands,

Why (and how) does your website try to put a cookie on my PC when I open this thread ??

On second toughts, I don't care why.  Just stop it.

[Sark79]

Whose computer?

My computer?

I am confused

[dik9]

What kind of signature is that? How does it know my ISP server, IE etc.

[Ironside]

his sig takes the info from your computer and uses it to show your computer your information

no one else sees any of the information it never leaves your pc

its a trick that some wannabe hackers use to make newbie wannabe hackers think that there computer has been hacked