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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2006, 10:08:57 PM »

Byron what i am saying is if a guy is an 'all in maniac' then people will be looking to take a shot to bust him before someone else does, so they are less likely to fold a hand like AJ/KQ assuming they dont fold these and evreyone folds we know that no-one had a big ace or KQ combo, so the chances are the deck is that little bit richer. Now its useless and impossible to factor in the % change but to say it makes no diffrence is clearly wrong.

You said does it matter where he is, well no, if he is going all in evrey hand position is non-existant, as evreyone knows that he is going all in so will only play if they are willing to call that, so again if there is no action then the deck is probably that little bit richer.

I know this is a stretch in holdem but it becomes very relevant in Omaha hi lo. A decision can swing from +ev to -ev based on your ability to read the richness of the deck.
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2006, 12:01:38 AM »

continuing this threads theme of pedanticism (if thats a word)


You said does it matter where he is, well no


It matters if he's in one of the blinds as there's slightly less to win  Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2006, 03:48:06 AM »

Byron what i am saying is if a guy is an 'all in maniac' then people will be looking to take a shot to bust him before someone else does, so they are less likely to fold a hand like AJ/KQ assuming they dont fold these and evreyone folds we know that no-one had a big ace or KQ combo, so the chances are the deck is that little bit richer. Now its useless and impossible to factor in the % change but to say it makes no diffrence is clearly wrong.

You said does it matter where he is, well no, if he is going all in evrey hand position is non-existant, as evreyone knows that he is going all in so will only play if they are willing to call that, so again if there is no action then the deck is probably that little bit richer.

I know this is a stretch in holdem but it becomes very relevant in Omaha hi lo. A decision can swing from +ev to -ev based on your ability to read the richness of the deck.

You are assuming way to much about your opponents.  You assume they ALL are willing to stack off holding any KQ QJ 99 etc.  What if they aren't willing to take that chance so early in the tourney and want to wait?  You also assume that they all notice he is all in everyhand.  What if they are playing 5 games or not paying attention to the action and only to their own hand?

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