£100 Pot Limit Tournament - Grosvenor Walsall Festival - Final table Collusion

[RED-DOG]

If the cards are not shown down, at least the dealer can look at them to make sure everything is on the level

[BlueWolf]

i agree Tom, hence why we have the rule that ANY dealer or ANY supervisor, can see ANY cards the so wish, especially to try and keep things on the level. Unfortunately for Mick, this certainly wasn't on the level in any way

[I KNOW IT]

hi mick,ed giddins here,after you left it got worse,the short stack [seat 9] went allin for approx 17k and his local mate in seat3 [who had 50k+] folded his big blind to him [blinds 4-8k]and then flipped over his cards and showed  .

Dont necessarily think the was an auto call , but the no betting between the set and 2 pair was bang out of order. I cant believe nothing was said to the 2 involved.

[4dam]

how can holding  in the big blind not call an allin for 17k when you already have put in 8k

its only 9k to win a pot of 29k

the big blind holds 50k so his not allin

and at worst he must think its 50-50

its an auto call its nearly 4-1 his getting

[tikay]

Comments please Dani?

[ifm]

I think that saying the Midlands has a reputation for this sort of thing is a bit strong.

[BlueWolf]

not really, i'm not saying it doesnt happen elsewhere, cos it does. but when i been elsewhere pepel havealways mentioned it. Especially in referennce to some clubs in the region.

[tikay]

I think that saying the Midlands has a reputation for this sort of thing is a bit strong.

I can't speak for Walsall ifm, I don't know the scene there well enough. But at Gala Notts it happens a LOT. And the thing is, the guys do not think it is wrong, they discuss it at the table quite openly. But the chat dries up when I call them, equally openly, cheats.

[snoopy1239]

Yep, I agree.

Totally out of order and, even though I'm normally reserved at the table, I'd have to speak out here.

Being a local myself, I am aware of the players in question and am not surprised.

What is most disgusting is that no1 seems to come from my village. 

[bobby1]

Why is the dealer not qualified enough to spot this and report it?
Why did the cardroom manager not see this?
Why did the players not report this?
Why have the players not been banned and marched away from the premises in shame for cheating their fellow players?

Why would anyone play poker in this casino after that?

ditto the above questions for most Casinos around becasue this is no isolated example. It is just another example of players taking the shitty end of the stick and saying nothing/having nothing done about it.

[M3boy]

Bobby, until people START shouting about these things, NOTHING will EVER be done!

As I have said before in this thread, you would of heard me making a fuss from the Carpark!!! 

[bobby1]

Bobby, until people START shouting about these things, NOTHING will EVER be done!

As I have said before in this thread, you would of heard me making a fuss from the Carpark!!! 

But this was a ranking event played at one of the best venues in the country Paul, why is ther nobody in authority watching this event, or were they watching and either did nothing or did not spot what sounds like blatant collusion?

I agree with you, I would have gone barmy and probably made a few enemies but why should the honest players put up with that, To be honest I am amazed that neither Mick or Ed didnt create a fuss, my point is they shouldnt have to.

[Indestructable]

Just seen EdG talking about this on the show last night. Can't disagree with any of the comments, to make a final table and then to come up against this must be annoying to say the least. Only similar situation I have come up against is to be at the table and a very good friend makes the table as well. If he goes all in and you have a good hand, do you call or fold because he is your mate. Me I would call every time, but can understand that it is tempting to fold.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Anyone else troubled by the lack of response from the Walsall team on this issue so far?

I love to hear some sort of justification for how this sort of thing can be allowed at one of our premier venues.

Sheriff

[bobby1]

Anyone else troubled by the lack of response from the Walsall team on this issue so far?

I love to hear some sort of justification for how this sort of thing can be allowed at one of our premier venues.

Sheriff

yes