Effect of the rake

[doubleup]

After concluding that my 6 handed NL cash game wasn't up to the mark, I decided to move down limits and play a much looser more aggressive game.

I've been playing £1/£2, 3/4 tabling and have played 11k hands over the last 17 days, I've taken £3000 out of the game, but £1800 of that has disappeared on rake!!  I got £600 of that back, but it's still a huge amount and astonishing that rakeback accounts for 1/3 of my profit.

[thetank]

Rake'll bite you less sitting at a full ring. It eats you up short handed as you need to play so many more pots. 2/3 handed in a cash game, it'll simply swallow everyone, unless your opposition is truly appaling.

Got to factor in the cost of wake-up drugs playing tight in a full ring though. It can get a little zzzzzzzz for those who crave action.

[AndrewT]

Yep, the fewer players the more rake will bite you. I have played heads-up cash just once - when I saw how much rake I had paid I vowed never to touch it again.

It also depends on your style of play. A rock pays much less rake than a player who gets involved in pots more. However, I can't abide playing full ring games (zzzzzzzz), so it's no wonder I play tournaments more.

[TightEnd]

Got to factor in the cost of wake-up drugs playing tight in a full ring though. It can get a little zzzzzzzz for those who crave action.

just do what I do, surf blonde while folding and then get so involved in a thread that you get timed out whenever you do get a playable hand

No rake paid, no outdraw pain yet you are putting in the hours on the ring games.

Perfect

[matt674]

I always find it quite effective - especially during the autumn period, as lots of leaves lying around the floor of the jungle can be quite hazardous when swinging from vine to vine!!

[thetank]

Took me a minute, usually a sign that it's time for bed.

[Sunday8pm]

A good way to counteract is by becoming an affiliate.

If you run a blog or a website where you can advertise your rakeback etc etc then if you can sign up a few players then you get a little bit back every month and it helps balance the books.

Its very little work for a decent reward in my opinion.

[Sheriff Fatman]

You could immediately reduce the rake at your tables by switching to US$ tables and moving up in limits to the equivalent pound value (i.e. play $2/4 instead of £1/2).

Rake on these tables will be capped at $3, instead of £3.

Sheriff

[Royal Flush]

You could immediately reduce the rake at your tables by switching to US$ tables and moving up in limits to the equivalent pound value (i.e. play $2/4 instead of £1/2).

Rake on these tables will be capped at $3, instead of £3.

Sheriff

yep!

[doubleup]

You could immediately reduce the rake at your tables by switching to US$ tables and moving up in limits to the equivalent pound value (i.e. play $2/4 instead of £1/2).

Rake on these tables will be capped at $3, instead of £3.

Sheriff

Although I would pay less rake my earnings would also fall i.e. everything would be translated from $ to £.

[Royal Flush]

how so?

Play $2-$4 instead of £1-£2

[doubleup]

how so?

Play $2-$4 instead of £1-£2

Apart from the fact that Crypto don't have 2-4.....it would be a different game and there is no way of knowing if my profits would be greater or less due to the rake or the different players.  The fact that 2 knowlegeable players would "prefer" to play at a $ table should in itself indicate that I am unlikely to win more. 

Anyway the point of my original post was that I was surprised by the amount of my "profits" that were raked away.  With the same players at any $1/$2 the stats would be the same, just the currency different.

[Ironside]

double if you are playing the same quailty of players at $2/$4 as you are at £1/£2 then you would save yourself alot of money

your winnings would remain at £3000 but you would save yourself about £600 in rake as your rake would be cappped at $1800 instead of £1800 thus meaning your ratio of win to rake would be affect greatly in your favour

[doubleup]

double if you are playing the same quailty of players at $2/$4 as you are at £1/£2 then you would save yourself alot of money

your winnings would remain at £3000 but you would save yourself about £600 in rake as your rake would be cappped at $1800 instead of £1800 thus meaning your ratio of win to rake would be affect greatly in your favour

lol I like the new name.

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way because a large % of pots don't break the rake ceiling i.e. pot 30 gets raked by the same % in both currencies.  Although 2/4 being a slightly larger game would have more pots breaking the ceiling.  I do agree though that it would be preferable to play the same players at an equivalent $ game, but that doesn't happen.

[thetank]

.......or play on Stars where they cap the rake at $1?