Irish Open - Here's The Deal......

[M3boy]

lol cheers kev, how is that 65k each! and when did u get to a situation like that with so much to first!

James, as ever, just argue with whatever I say, and take every oppotunity to try and belittle me.

In answer to your question. I have already said my figures were slightly wrong, and by in the same situation, I mean the last 3 of a major tourney - I already said not quite the same stakes - but by not being a crapshoot was what I meant - as I think you already know.

[Royal Flush]

my fault i thought u meant playing for €350k!!

Not many players would turn down a deal last 3 with a 250k diffrence...

[tikay]

Whatever.

I remain committed to this position.

I will consider doing business based on the folowing criteria.

The value/fairness of the deal.

My bankroll at that moment in time.

My general financial position. (6 figure numbers are pretty heavy stuff).

I will not pay any consideration whatsoever to.....

What the TD thinks.

What anyone else thinks.

Because, given that I don't owe anyone any money, I don't allow anybody to tell me how I may or may not manage my finances.

However, if I had a Sponsor (how wonderful would THAT be?) I would do whatever he said!

One other factor comes into play here wth me. If I've had a great Tourney, and a Final Table played in a lovely atmo, then I may do a deal that's NOT good value to me - an example was the Sunday Night Freezeout at Cincins on bB2 weekend. There's more to poker than pure money, in my view, though I accept that puts me in a minority.

Nothing gives me greater pleasure than trying to bust my special mates, like Thewy or Red - but if there were half a mill at stake, & I was up against one of them, I'd offer a deal in a flash. Their friendship, & each of us having a whopping payday, means more to me than the extra (say) $50k or $100k. Those numbers would be life-changing to either of them, as it would to me.

[charmaine]

On another note , was great being able to watch everything as it was happening  lets hope there will be more 

[Indestructable]

I am not keen on deals.
As a viewer it takes away part of the enjoyment of the tournament. Especially if as in this case the deal may have affected the way the game was played. Whether the structures could be better and whether deals should or could be barred is a different argument. But to me it does take away something away from what was a good tournament.

[tikay]

I am not keen on deals.
As a viewer it takes away part of the enjoyment of the tournament. Especially if as in this case the deal may have affected the way the game was played. Whether the structures could be better and whether deals should or could be barred is a different argument. But to me it does take away something away from what was a good tournament.

I hear you, but the players owe no duty to the spectators, they pay their own entry fees, so what viewers may or may not think is not relevant. Now, if Sky say "here's an extra half million, but play it out like good boys so we have a nice show", well, that's a different story. But they did not, and despite what Sky may think, the players owe them nothing.

[Royal Flush]

I hear you, but the players owe no duty to the spectators, they pay their own entry fees, so what viewers may or may not think is not relevant.

 

[tikay]

I hear you, but the players owe no duty to the spectators, they pay their own entry fees, so what viewers may or may not think is not relevant.

 

You only agree because you are in awe of me.

[M3boy]

He only agrees cos your name isnt Paul Garnham!!   

[Indestructable]

I know it isn't the first time this has been debated and look forward to the next 425 show to hear more on this. I would stress that I am not critiscising the players involved. However I still feel that the viewers are important here. If we are treated like mugs we will soon lose interest, along the lines of "they allways take deals I won't bother watching".
I do agree with Tikays past comments though that TV companies have a part to play here. Can you imagine Sky expecting to show the football without paying for it and expecting the clubs to pay an entry fee.

[tikay]

I know it isn't the first time this has been debated and look forward to the next 425 show to hear more on this. I would stress that I am not critiscising the players involved. However I still feel that the viewers are important here. If we are treated like mugs we will soon lose interest, along the lines of "they allways take deals I won't bother watching".
I do agree with Tikays past comments though that TV companies have a part to play here. Can you imagine Sky expecting to show the football without paying for it and expecting the clubs to pay an entry fee.

I'm happy to debate this on 425 when we record tomorrow. But I just don't see that the players owe the spectators anything, nothing at all, I just don't. But if Sky pay a fee which percolates down to the players, well that's different. And I sit on all sides of this fence - player, spectator, & Z-list tv blokie chappie.

[Royal Flush]

He only agrees cos your name isnt Paul Garnham!!   

And because what he says makes sense.

[tikay]

Yellow Card for Flushy.

He's putting on weight.

[M3boy]

James, I could go back and find the post you made re "Bankroll" and Prizes a while back, where you slated someone for folding a hand they shouldnt of, just so that they could get into the money.

My Argument there was that that prize for them was a great achievement cos they got in on a cheap satelite.

Your argument was that they shouldnt be playing cos their bankroll couldnt handle the buy in, so by your own argument, 2 of those last 3 shouldnt of been there anyway!!   

You have the last word if u wish (course you will!!) I am done with this subject as far as you are concerned anyway lol

[tikay]

Yellow Card for M3Boy too.

His wife is too delicious by far.