yeah it's a bad beat and i don't care

[ACE2M]

this is on the bubble and we are both top 15. Why on earth would he play the hand this way? (i've been tight as the proverbal drum for ages so he must know i'm not bluffing)


Multi-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
MTT Table 2 8602935-105 Holdem No Limit 400/800
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Hand Start.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 1 : jetty has $8,160
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 2 : USRaider has $19,770
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 3 : Pott Odds has $12,270
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 5 : pittsy has $1,440
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 7 : lee94 has $4,650
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 8 : ace2m has $11,700
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 9 : cgwglenn has $12,740
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : cgwglenn is the dealer.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : jetty posted small blind.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : USRaider posted big blind.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Game [105] started with 7 players.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Apr 18 23:05:56] : Seat 8 : ace2m has
[Apr 18 23:06:00] : Pott Odds folded.
[Apr 18 23:06:04] : pittsy folded.
[Apr 18 23:06:04] : lee94 folded.
[Apr 18 23:06:06] : ace2m called 800 and raised 1,600
[Apr 18 23:06:07] : cgwglenn folded.
[Apr 18 23:06:09] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 5 min. Break in: 20 min. Players : 28
[Apr 18 23:06:13] : jetty folded.
[Apr 18 23:06:18] : USRaider called 1,600
[Apr 18 23:06:19] : Dealing flop.
[Apr 18 23:06:19] : Board cards [ ]
[Apr 18 23:06:27] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 5 min. Break in: 19 min. Players : 28
[Apr 18 23:06:31] : USRaider bet 4,000
[Apr 18 23:06:34] : ace2m called 4,000 and raised 5,300 and is All-in
[Apr 18 23:06:47] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 19 min. Players : 28
[Apr 18 23:06:49] : USRaider has 10 seconds to respond.
[Apr 18 23:06:49] : USRaider called 5,300
[Apr 18 23:06:50] : Showdown!
[Apr 18 23:06:50] : Seat 8 : ace2m has
[Apr 18 23:06:52] : Seat 2 : USRaider has Ah
[Apr 18 23:06:52] : Seat 8 : ace2m has
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : Board cards [ ]
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : Seat 8 : ace2m has
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : ace2m has Pair: Jacks
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : Seat 2 : USRaider has Ah
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : USRaider has Pair: Kings
[Apr 18 23:06:58] : USRaider wins 23,800 with Pair: Kings
[Apr 18 23:07:06] : ace2m : idiot
[Apr 18 23:07:07] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 19 min. Players : 28
[Apr 18 23:07:08] : Hand is over.

[redsimon]

Not that bad a beat. He made a stop go bet which backfired but was then offered over 3:1 to call your flop reraise. Hardly the worst play in the world...

[temp0r]

that sort of justifies to the call. the overall play of it is completely retarded though. clearly a calling station of some sort but raising with J10 suited on the bubble? c'mon. you know it's a trouble hand. chuck it in.

[ACE2M]

Not that bad a beat. He made a stop go bet which backfired but was then offered over 3:1 to call your flop reraise. Hardly the worst play in the world...

i wasn't really moaning about the bad beat, just the horror show that was the way he played the hand. He shows caution before the flop and still gets all his chips in with A high.

[Sunday8pm]

Not that bad a beat. He made a stop go bet which backfired but was then offered over 3:1 to call your flop reraise. Hardly the worst play in the world...

i wasn't really moaning about the bad beat, just the horror show that was the way he played the hand. He shows caution before the flop and still gets all his chips in with A high.

I don't think he's showing caution, i think hes trapping you pre flop. once hes made his bet i do think he can still get away from it though, maybe he had made his mind up pre flop that he wasn't passing whatever the board showed

[Royal Flush]

I don't think he's showing caution, i think hes trapping you pre flop. once hes made his bet i do think he can still get away from it though, maybe he had made his mind up pre flop that he wasn't passing whatever the board showed

Trapping with AK....hmmm.

As for raising JT on the bubble temp0r's post sums up why its correct, so many players rock up on the bubble.

[The Baron]

(i've been tight as the proverbal drum for ages so he must know i'm not bluffing)

Hmmm....

Could be seen as you being card dead and making a move to keep your head above water?

Also, if you have been tight for ages he probably thinks you are more likely to pass near the bubble with the "stop and go".

[I, Zimbra]

The stop bit of the "stop and go" is fine, except that surely he over-go'ed it?

[Indestructable]

May be misunderstanding this but he called the preflop raise.
Then post flop he made a good raise hoping for a fold. He probably then felt pot committed and could afford to call the all in. The odds were against him but he had a go and was lucky. That's poker.
Not sure if he deserved your Wengeresque feedback! 

[SupaMonkey]

Maybe i'm missing something here, but if you make a stop and go which commits you to the pot, isn't that just bad play. I'm assuming that by not putting his chips in first on the flop that he didn't want to put his whole stack in on a bluff. If it is going to be argued that an all looks weak then surely betting 8000 is better than the 4000 he bet.