whats a guy got to do to win a game of poker???

[thetank]

Apologies if it is blunt, but I'm just trying to help the best I can.

I don't see the point in just saying, 'Yes, you are very unlucky. There, there, it'll all be okay next time'. Players who always concern themselves with the bad luck are always going to find this game an uphill struggle. I recall around bubble time once you moving in on my big blind. I knew you had a hand, you knew I had rags, but I could tell that you wanted to fold because you were scared of bubbling. In my opinion you should want a call as you have the superior hand, possibly dominating, and want some chips for the final. My advice still stands, stop worrying about the outdraws, ie, resist the temptation to moan about them, and free yourself from the fear of being an unlucky player. It happens, simple as, and once you get used to that fact, you'll find yourself more at ease with your game. I promise it's a lot easier to win comps when you're less tense.

  boss.

A fine line really, Not much point in recanting tales of all-in coups that went the wrong way when your strong dominating hand was outdrawn by a less strong hand in a situation where the chips were always going in. It can even be self destructive as above posters have mentioned.

At the same time, good posts about hands that you think might possibly have been played better are very welcome and helpful for everyone.

Does sound like you played very well and its only a matter of time before you get some decent results again though. Getting out of the self-indulgent feeling sorry for your luck mindset will definately help.

  (Although there's no such thing )

[AdamM]

Im not dismissing te advise, infact I've taken some of it on board. I'm just saying, telling me I shouldn't post about it seems a little against the 'Blonde spirit' I'm posting, not to 'moan' about bad beats but to get some constructive critisism.

I don't consider myself an unlucky player. I don't believe in luck as anything other than a descriptive tool. unfortunately it's a tool Im having to use a fair bit at the moment

[AdamM]

I recall around bubble time once you moving in on my big blind. I knew you had a hand, you knew I had rags, but I could tell that you wanted me to fold because you were scared of bubbling. In my opinion you should want a call as you have the superior hand, possibly dominating, and want some chips for the final.

thinking about it, that was the game I was saying you watched me get AA bust by KK in the first round at the final. I particularly didnt want to bubble that night because I was on the verge of breaking a bad spell of about 3 months without a final. that was the first wednesday game of december. I went on to final 4 times a month december, january and february after that. also, as it was just before christmas, i was desperate for a decent cash. didnt come that night but not bubbling did my confidence the world of good.

[jammer]

Im not dismissing te advise, infact I've taken some of it on board. I'm just saying, telling me I shouldn't post about it seems a little against the 'Blonde spirit' I'm posting, not to 'moan' about bad beats but to get some constructive critisism.

There are two ways that a person might take snoopy's comment:

1) If you post on the boards about bad runs you're big whinger and shouldn't lay your bad beats on others to read. OR....
2) If you don't let the bad beats get to you, you won't feel the urge to worry about them (and so post about them) and this will benefit your play.

I guarantee you Snoops meant the second one (Noone on here would mean the first!). You are perhaps understandably perceiving it as the otherbecause you are on a bad run at the moment and hey, that gets to us all. I think rather he was highlighting the fact that there is a difference between being classy at the table (as you obviously are Adam!) hiding the anger of bad beats, and to not actually be phased by them at all.

At the moment I'm in a good zone of being philosophical about my bad beats. Yesterday I went out the laddies WSOP final with AK v AJ, the 100rebuy with AK v AT and the 50rebuy AA v QQ, all preflop and within an hour, but I was playing well and in the end that's all you can do. I'll just continue trying to get my money in with the best of it, and work on mixing it up a bit more.

It'll come good Adam, no worries.

[Karabiner]

That'll be £1.50p for those three Jammer 

[AdamM]

Im sure Snoops did mean the latter, but to say that no-one here would say the former isn't right.

they are getting me down. I used to go home from tourneys deconstructing hands where I either got completely outplayed or just ran into a beter hand and didnt see it. for the last 6 months I've been driving home mumbling bad beat bad beat.

at the table I'm remaining positive and not to let it affect my game. off the table you have to vent. rather than just reel off bad beats, I thought I'd put it in perspective of the whole game and how the key hands fitted together.

[snoopy1239]

Im sure Snoops did mean the latter, but to say that no-one here would say the former isn't right.

they are getting me down. I used to go home from tourneys deconstructing hands where I either got completely outplayed or just ran into a beter hand and didnt see it. for the last 6 months I've been driving home mumbling bad beat bad beat.

at the table I'm remaining positive and not to let it affect my game. off the table you have to vent. rather than just reel off bad beats, I thought I'd put it in perspective of the whole game and how the key hands fitted together.

Well, there you go then... if you're going home mumbling bad beat bad beat instead of deconstructing your hands, then you're letting the bad beats phase you... so STOP IT. It's doing you no good at all.

It's very rare that anyone plays the optimum tournament, so start assessing your game again. f*** the bad beats, you're gonna get lots more, get used to it (boy, I don't think I've ever used the f word on here b4).

I'm not going to sympathise and say, 'It'll turn, don't worry, etc, etc', cos that won't do you any good. Just trying to help m8.

[AdamM]

full of tact today arent you?

[matt674]

Adam, I'm not sure what you want me to say. I tried to take the time out to answer the question in the title of the thread as best as I could. If you don't like the advice then fair enough, but it must be worth considering at least. Apologies if it is blunt, but I'm just trying to help the best I can.

I don't see the point in just saying, 'Yes, you are very unlucky. There, there, it'll all be okay next time'. Players who always concern themselves with the bad luck are always going to find this game an uphill struggle. I recall around bubble time once you moving in on my big blind. I knew you had a hand, you knew I had rags, but I could tell that you wanted me to fold because you were scared of bubbling. In my opinion you should want a call as you have the superior hand, possibly dominating, and want some chips for the final. My advice still stands, stop worrying about the outdraws, ie, resist the temptation to moan about them, and free yourself from the fear of being an unlucky player. It happens, simple as, and once you get used to that fact, you'll find yourself more at ease with your game. I promise it's a lot easier to win comps when you're less tense.

 

Well, there you go then... if you're going home mumbling bad beat bad beat instead of deconstructing your hands, then you're letting the bad beats phase you... so STOP IT. It's doing you no good at all.

It's very rare that anyone plays the optimum tournament, so start assessing your game again. f*** the bad beats, you're gonna get lots more, get used to it (boy, I don't think I've ever used the f word on here b4).

I'm not going to sympathise and say, 'It'll turn, don't worry, etc, etc', cos that won't do you any good. Just trying to help m8.

 

Sounds like the posts of someone who has experienced something similar........

[thetank]

full of tact today arent you?

  He is a big bag of sunshine innit?

A well meaning bag of sunshine though.

[snoopy1239]

Yes, no offence intended.

[Josh]

Someone seems to be forgetting that a large number of people that play in Notts don't play the odds, and most of them love a gamble.

and if you think Having AA cracked by KK is bad..
How about
AA vs JJ ..
Flop of K,Q,10 ...(bargain)
Turn- Jack(....)
River- Jack.

[ifm]

Can i just ask a question? (or 2...)
In the same comp did you outdraw anyone?
Have you outdrawn anyone in recent comps?
Basically i think there is a balance with these things but when you start to forget one side of the scales the other side weighs heavier.

[AdamM]

No ian, i NEVER outdraw anyone. I only ever go in ahead
seriously though, if one side of being a tight player is I get knocked out by outdrawsmore often it also means I hand out fat less beats. only time I ever outdraw people is when they don't bet enough with big pairs and I'm allowed to sneak in with smaller pairs and hit a set. similarly early comp if I'm allowed to see cheap flops with suited aces I may do someone with a bigger ace.

I dont recall outdrawing anyone last night, no. I also dont recall any big out draws i've inflicted recently, but then I wouldnt would I

[dan]

Can i just ask a question? (or 2...)
In the same comp did you outdraw anyone?
Have you outdrawn anyone in recent comps?Basically i think there is a balance with these things but when you start to forget one side of the scales the other side weighs heavier.

ian goes in with that bad of a hand he cant even outdraw anyone . 

ian, are you going to play any of the sats at walsall for the weekend. i was going to go this afternoon but i cant get a babysitter i mean im enjoying spending time with my kids.

i might go tomorrow night though.