Hand advice needed

[phil_and]

Hi all,

Due to the bombings yesterday I got locked out of my hotel (the grafton next to warren street), and the outlook was that we would not be lack back in till the next day so I couldnt think of anything better to do than head to gutshot for the 50 freezout.  Had a top time, lots of good craic re the wsop, and played with some v good players.  Think I learn every time I play there (apart from maybe in the 5 rebuy!!).

Just after a little advice on the hand I went out on if the players on here would be so kind.  Blinds are 350-700, and I have about 5200 points.  I had just been moved to th dealer table and I find 99 on the button.

1st position raises to 2000 to go.  I had played with him earlier and my impression was of a good player who was not afraid to have a crack at the blinds from EP and then show trash if everyone folded. He had about the same stack as me. 

A big stack (10000+) just calls from MP.

I think for a minute and decide I want this 1v1 if poss so I push all in for 5200.  Unfortunatly both call - EP with KQs and big stack with A10o.  the 9's hold up till the river when a Q hits and puts me out in the middle of the field.

So the question is - should I have:

a)  just called and seen what the board was to bring?
b) folded and waited for better than 99?
c) pushed in as I did.

just interested in what others would do in this situation. 

btw - stayed in a travelodge near gutshot in the end and got back in the hotel this morning for a much needed chang of keks!  I really think gutshot should start selling branded toothbrushs and pants - with London the way it is now this may not be the last time a punter gets caught short

cheers

Phil.

[TightEnd]

I was unable to get home last night, stayed in a cheap hotel and played at the Vic having stopped at Boots and Marks for essentials on the way!

onto your question

You have less than 10BB , You are going to need a double up pretty soon, I don't think you can be faulted for pushing in and taking a shot here

If I didn't know what the foes had I would have been concerned by the flat call by the big stack.

You really need to get heads up but by the time the EP calls your 5200 the big stack in priced in. In my opinion the Call of your re-raise by the EP with KQ is weak, when he has a bigger stack to act behind him. This is where you are a bit unlucky, because by the time they are both in it turns out you are up against 4 overcards!

Just my opinion, but I can't see you did anything wrong here

[AdamM]

b for me. with an EP raise and a call from deep stack 9,9 isn't any good. least you can expect to find is 4 over cards, best hope, they bith have AK, but quite likely to find an over pair. You'd like to have RR one player maybe but once second player is in it's a reluctant pass for me.

[Pontecarlo]

would have folded - you still have enough time left to get the needed double up , wouldent want to take 99 into a threeway pot, appreciate you didnt really want a caller , but a call probably puts you behind
you had the opportunity to get out with the flat call after the raise - think i would have taken it there, as a previous reply said , best you can hope for is 2 overcards and then its a coin flip
the flat call would have woried me as well - it indicates that he doesent want to price any left to play , out of the pot- as it happens the hole cards were very good for you and unlucky in the end but given the same situation i would fold them every time

[Phil]

I'd be inclined to pass here too.

You've still got a decent stack and you ideally wanna avoid the chip leader with a medium strength hand as he could well call you with some crap like A-10 or KQ, and you've no need to get into a coin flip for all your chips at that stage.


Me and Adam are down for the 5 rebuy tomorrow, you going?

[snoopy1239]

The problem I see here is that you were looking for a 1 on 1 situation. Personally, I would prefer them to both fold so I can take the chips there and then. I certainly don't want to be in a showdown where I am at best 50-50.

If I am wrong in this assumption, and you didn't want a call, then I wouldn't have made the move as, considering he is a loose cannon, he's probably not going to fold after putting 2000 in the pot. Your stack just isn't big enough to scare him off.

With regards to the kq, well, that's just poor play, and he got lucky.

To conclude, I would have folded and waited for a better opportunity.

[tikay]

I tend to agree. A reluctant pass is probably the wisest course witth 99. Easy game this, with hindsight.....

[TightEnd]

My response is probably showing why I have a lot to learn! 

[phil_and]

Hi all,

Many thanks for all the advice.  Its interesting cos I walked out thinking I made the right move, but by the time I got to the hotel I wasn't so sure hence the post!

Snoopys points in particular helps a lot.  I should have decided what I really wanted the result to be before pushing in.  In hindsight playing a coin flip wasn't what was required at that stage, but thats what I was looking for....

thanks again

Phil.

[ACE2M]

Just add my two penneth.

I consider your only options here is to call or fold. Raising is a bad idea, if it is just you and early raiser then go ahead all in but the b s mp is the killer. He will call whatever happens, he must have some semblence of a hand and the odds he gets on a calling your all in are far to good for him to fold.

I would say that calling is a bad idea to as you say the early raiser is happy to fire out bets so you are unlikely to get a chance to be the raiser on a flop that is good for you (good position can be bad position for small stacks). Although something will have to happen in regards to your chip stack so a call to see if you make your trips is an option better to go down with a chance than be forced all in with rags.

At the end of the day as horrible as it seems when you way up the options a fold will probably result in you having a better chance to win the tournament.

 

[tikay]

Wow nice post ACE2MOUTH. Where did YOU come from? Not a newbie, I'd guess.....

[ACE2M]

not a newbie player if thats what you mean.

8 years playing, over all loser for 1st 3 years and profit ever since.

I am the only person who i have ever met who won their 1st ever live tournament in the 1st tournament they entered. I had no idea what i was doing and rivered a 7 for a full house against a flush for 900 win.

Addicted ever since!!!

[AdamM]

Thats actually more common than you think. I narrowly missed out on 1st by only a couple of thousand pojnts in a chip count at the end of my first pop at it early last year for 1670 and I've seen several players turn up and win or place very high on their 1st attempt at live tournament play. usually I think to do with nerves keeping them relatively tight and making some unconventional / unreadable plays.

[Maroon]

Agreed.  I got 3rd for 415 first live tournament.  Played tight and pushed it all in whenever I had a decent hand.  Totally pre flop play.  That was the limit of my strategic knowledge.

Since then my profits have gone down in direct proportion to my knowledge going up. 

[ACE2M]

my 1st tourney in any form. never played a hand of poker before in my life before that night!!!!