Should my opponent have called here?

[NoflopsHomer]

$5k on Tribbeca.

[May 3 01:08:52] : Hand Start.
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 1 : MajorLeague has $1,670
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 2 : efty has $2,550
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 4 : tgesse has $2,710
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 5 : jehovah has $15,380
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 6 : Ms Fortune has $7,510
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 7 : corkyboy has $15,420
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 8 : pinokkio has $1,490
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 9 : IamRodHull has $5,790
[May 3 01:08:52] : corkyboy is the dealer.
[May 3 01:08:52] : pinokkio posted small blind.
[May 3 01:08:52] : IamRodHull posted big blind.
[May 3 01:08:52] : Game [88] started with 8 players.
[May 3 01:08:52] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[May 3 01:08:52] : Seat 9 : IamRodHull has
[May 3 01:08:57] : MajorLeague folded.
[May 3 01:08:58] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Level up in: 11 min. Break in: 47 min. Players : 61
[May 3 01:08:58] : efty folded.
[May 3 01:09:01] : tgesse folded.
[May 3 01:09:05] : jehovah called 300 and raised 600
[May 3 01:09:05] : Ms Fortune folded.
[May 3 01:09:06] : corkyboy folded.
[May 3 01:09:06] : pinokkio folded.
[May 3 01:09:09] : IamRodHull called 600
[May 3 01:09:09] : Dealing flop.
[May 3 01:09:09] : Board cards [ ]
[May 3 01:09:12] : IamRodHull checked.
[May 3 01:09:17] : jehovah bet 800
[May 3 01:09:18] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 47 min. Players : 60
[May 3 01:09:20] : IamRodHull called 800
[May 3 01:09:21] : Dealing turn.
[May 3 01:09:21] : Board cards [ ]
[May 3 01:09:28] : IamRodHull bet 1,600
[May 3 01:09:33] : jehovah called 1,600
[May 3 01:09:34] : Dealing river.
[May 3 01:09:34] : Board cards [ ]
[May 3 01:09:38] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Level up in: 10 min. Break in: 47 min. Players : 59
[May 3 01:09:40] : IamRodHull bet 2,490 and is All-in
[May 3 01:09:54] : jehovah called 2,490
[May 3 01:09:54] : Showdown!
[May 3 01:09:54] : Seat 9 : IamRodHull has
[May 3 01:09:56] : Seat 9 : IamRodHull has
[May 3 01:09:56] : IamRodHull has Pair: Queens
[May 3 01:09:56] : Seat 5 : jehovah has
[May 3 01:09:56] : jehovah has Two Pair: Kings and Queens
[May 3 01:09:56] : jehovah wins 11,730 with Two Pair: Kings and Queens

Do I leave too little chips to bluff the river with or is he just making a bad call with a duff kicker?

[JungleCat03]

The pot's too big to push anyone off top pair on the river. The way you played would look like a monster or nothing to me.

Would you have played a Q as you played this hand here? It's possible but i would imagine a smaller milking bet or a check on the turn from a queen, hoping for a riase from a king or a bluff.

If i was in his spot i would play my King as if it's the best hand too. There's also the fact that he has plenty of chips back if he looks you up.

The bluff has a low % of success once he calls the turn i think. The main hands you get to fold here are ones u are beating anyway and the call on the turn suggests he is unlikely to lay down to a river bet, given the amount you are able to bet on the river.

At least you got the pleasure of spending some time at the table with ms fortune eh!

[ACE2M]

yes he was right to call.

[dan]

i think your play on the flop is possibly where you went wrong. if you bet the flop he cant really call, once you check it you cant really call but you did. if you check raise you would probably take it down there and then but what are you calling to hit? there is no draw out there and you could hit an ace and still be dead if he does have a queen.

once he calls the turn it is pretty obvious he has some part of it so i dont think the river bluff would be sucessful.

[SupaMonkey]

I agree, check raise the flop and then lead out on the turn. If he calls that, you're done with the hand.

[NoflopsHomer]

i think your play on the flop is possibly where you went wrong. if you bet the flop he cant really call, once you check it you cant really call but you did. if you check raise you would probably take it down there and then but what are you calling to hit? there is no draw out there and you could hit an ace and still be dead if he does have a queen.

once he calls the turn it is pretty obvious he has some part of it so i dont think the river bluff would be sucessful.

I'm not calling here because I think I'm ahead, I'm calling because it looks a lot stronger than a check/raise, or me leading out on the flop. If the turn hadn't been a king, I would've definately won the pot, plus I think I'd have saved chips more chips in doing so rather than the check/raise option on the flop, also I don't like the check/raise bluff too often. I shouldn't have bluffed the river though.

[ACE2M]

i think your play on the flop is possibly where you went wrong. if you bet the flop he cant really call, once you check it you cant really call but you did. if you check raise you would probably take it down there and then but what are you calling to hit? there is no draw out there and you could hit an ace and still be dead if he does have a queen.

once he calls the turn it is pretty obvious he has some part of it so i dont think the river bluff would be sucessful.

I'm not calling here because I think I'm ahead, I'm calling because it looks a lot stronger than a check/raise, or me leading out on the flop. If the turn hadn't been a king, I would've definately won the pot, plus I think I'd have saved chips more chips in doing so rather than the check/raise option on the flop, also I don't like the check/raise bluff too often. I shouldn't have bluffed the river though.

Not the exact dilema you are posing here homer but a nice little read on this type of flop and you played it roughly how he says is a good play.

I think you should make the play on the flop with a check raise when you can be fairly sure your hand is good.

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[ACE2M]

I bet you gave yourself a right roasting after the all in on the end.

I hate these situations where you are fairly sure your hand is good but you can't check to a big stack as he will put you all in asnd it's terrible to call with ace high.
Whats a preferred method of finding out here? little bet?

[dan]

i think your play on the flop is possibly where you went wrong. if you bet the flop he cant really call, once you check it you cant really call but you did. if you check raise you would probably take it down there and then but what are you calling to hit? there is no draw out there and you could hit an ace and still be dead if he does have a queen.

once he calls the turn it is pretty obvious he has some part of it so i dont think the river bluff would be sucessful.

I'm not calling here because I think I'm ahead, I'm calling because it looks a lot stronger than a check/raise, or me leading out on the flop. If the turn hadn't been a king, I would've definately won the pot, plus I think I'd have saved chips more chips in doing so rather than the check/raise option on the flop, also I don't like the check/raise bluff too often. I shouldn't have bluffed the river though.

the thing is you are not playing the pot to look strong you should want to take it down there and then which you would with a check raise. as it happens you were in front on that flop but by calling you let him move infront. if you check raise and he still reads you as weak and comes back over the top of you it would just be a great play on his part