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March 22, 2012, 10:41:06 AM »
Quote from: mondatoo on March 20, 2012, 03:32:33 AM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest
- Because $40m is a helluva lot of money
- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.
- Because it is a lot more than he has ever earned for any fight
- Because Mayweather is the bigger draw
- Because, since Pacquiao-Marquez III, Mayweather is the clear favourite to win
- Because, as the promoter (albeit in conjunction with Golden Boy), Mayweather receives all the revenue, which is then allocated between the various interests, including the two boxers. Is Mayweather supposed to split the promotional income?
- Because he has never been paid as much as Mayweather. Since 2006, he has earned an average of $5m a fight, with a max of $7.4m, whereas Mayweather has received an average of $12.5m, only once receiving less than $8m. These are Nevada State Athletic Commission's (unbelievably scruffy) lists of both fighters' earnings. They don't include fights outside the NSAC's jurisdiction. Pacquiao is known to have received $6m for fighting Marquez in Nov 2011, and is assumed to have received somewhere between $6m - $7.4m each for his 2010 fights against Clottey and Margarito, making a total of $60m in 12 fights since 2006, during which period Mayweather received $91.5m for 7 fights:
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March 22, 2012, 12:21:09 PM »
Quote from: Marky147 on March 18, 2012, 04:39:22 AM
Quote from: milligan84 on March 17, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
Genuinely think Brook will completely outclass Hatton and can't see it being too much of a test tbh. Brook is a very good technical fighter imo and can see him being up there in the near future.
Matthew Hatton is a good European standard fighter, but not in Brook's class. Looking forward to seeing him fight at world class and seeing how effective he is there. His defence is very sound, and he looks like an all-round fighter. Thought he would have been able to stop Hatton, but didn't seem to go in for the kill with heavy combinations that might have closed it out earlier. Took a good smack from Hatton late on as well, and hardly blinked - so that's a good sign too.
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March 22, 2012, 12:25:27 PM »
Quote from: MintTrav on March 22, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on March 20, 2012, 03:32:33 AM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest
- Because $40m is a helluva lot of money
- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.
- Because it is a lot more than he has ever earned for any fight
- Because Mayweather is the bigger draw
- Because, since Pacquiao-Marquez III, Mayweather is the clear favourite to win
- Because, as the promoter (albeit in conjunction with Golden Boy), Mayweather receives all the revenue, which is then allocated between the various interests, including the two boxers. Is Mayweather supposed to split the promotional income?
- Because he has never been paid as much as Mayweather. Since 2006, he has earned an average of $5m a fight, with a max of $7.4m, whereas Mayweather has received an average of $12.5m, only once receiving less than $8m. These are Nevada State Athletic Commission's (unbelievably scruffy) lists of both fighters' earnings. They don't include fights outside the NSAC's jurisdiction. Pacquiao is known to have received $6m for fighting Marquez in Nov 2011, and is assumed to have received somewhere between $6m - $7.4m each for his 2010 fights against Clottey and Margarito, making a total of $60m in 12 fights since 2006, during which period Mayweather received $91.5m for 7 fights:
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Points 1-3 are completely irrelevant. Point 3 is also true of Mayweather.
4 - I disagree, not really sure how he is apart from the fact he has an 0 to lose. Pretty sure most people have thought Manny was the better boxer to watch over the last couple of years.
5 - I agree Pacquiou wasn't great in his last fight but eveyone can have an off day, no way is Mayweather a clear fav for me.
6 - Not really sure how this works but why would Top Rank/Goldenboy not jointly promote the fight since they have the top two boxers ?
7 - I'd guess this is more down to the fact that Mayweather takes more of his opponents % than Manny, over the fact his fights make more money.
You obviously know a lot more about boxing then I do but I just think Mayweather's doing everything to dodge this fight with his constant changing of demands. Absolutely no way would it be even close to a fair deal if Manny got 40m for this fight and Pbf got 100m+.
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March 22, 2012, 02:17:20 PM »
Quote from: mondatoo on March 22, 2012, 12:25:27 PM
5 - I agree Pacquiou wasn't great in his last fight but eveyone can have an off day, no way is Mayweather a clear fav for me.
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March 22, 2012, 02:28:44 PM »
I think Manny was favourite before his last fight, if not it was pretty much 11/10 and 10/11, this is obv due to his performance vs Marquez which as I say I think was just a poor night. Sad fact is we are very unlikely to see this fight and Mayweather is too blame for that due to his greed, his unfair offer and also his desperation to keep his 0. Pacquaio isn't being greedy by not wanting to be conned, he isn't a huge underdog desperate for a payday like most of the fighters Floyd has fought.
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March 22, 2012, 02:43:27 PM »
Mayweather is technically the better fighter I don't think many people dispute that, sometimes he can be overly cautious and a bit negative though imo.
Pacman has tonnes of heart and tonnes of speed. Think they both have roughly the same K0 % and are probs not too far away from each other in their KO power.
Mayweather's technical ability and Pacman's last performance will obv give Floyd the edge with the bookies. But i think Pacman will want it more and hopfully he will go at him like a spider monkey.
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March 22, 2012, 02:57:31 PM »
Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!
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March 22, 2012, 02:57:45 PM »
Quote from: MajorMajor on March 22, 2012, 02:57:31 PM
Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!
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March 22, 2012, 03:07:31 PM »
Quote from: MintTrav on March 22, 2012, 10:41:06 AM
Quote from: mondatoo on March 20, 2012, 03:32:33 AM
Why on earth would Manny take $40m for the fight and let Pbf have the rest
- Because, hard to believe, Pacquiao's finances are a mess and he badly needs the money. Mayweather doesn't need the money, making his bargaining position stronger.
LOL - Mayweather needs the money as much if not more than Pacquaio from what I understand.
Quote from: MajorMajor on March 22, 2012, 02:57:31 PM
Pacman has stopped taking his drugs, that's why his last performance wasn't great. Pretty boy would bash him up!
Presumably he also stopped taking his drugs in his previous two fights against Marquez also because the performance was pretty much identical.
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March 22, 2012, 05:20:58 PM »
There could be endless debates about the money and which party deserve the most millions, but at the end of the day the main reason both boxers should get the fight on is because they fcking should. I mean is there another fight anybody wants to see? It transcends the money. Amazing that footballers always pout about doing stuff for football reasons not money so what about dem boxing reasons? Forget the money man, they should do it in Russia for no money like Rocky IV. C'mon already ffs.
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March 22, 2012, 07:27:12 PM »
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.
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March 22, 2012, 07:38:16 PM »
Quote from: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.
It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom
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Quote from: outragous76 on March 22, 2012, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.
It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom
I just don't get this view at all. Manny's last six wins are against Marquez, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Cotto and Hatton whilst PBF has beat Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, De la Hoya and Baldomir. In their next fights they fight Bradley and Cotto respectively. They are fighting and beating the very best except each other i don't see any evidence that either is fighting worse than usual. That is just an argument put by casual, uneducated boxing fans based on Pacquaios last fight v Marquez which, if anything, proved he is at the same level as he was 3 years ago and 8 years ago respectively.
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Quote from: redarmi on March 22, 2012, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: outragous76 on March 22, 2012, 07:38:16 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on March 22, 2012, 07:27:12 PM
It would be the biggest non-heavyweight fight of all time, and for boxing fans a dream match-up. If they keep fannying around and delaying the fight though they'll be on the wrong side of their peak and the fight will lose some of its gloss.
It would have been, they are both way past their best and it will be nothing but a disappointment IMO. Mayweather will just lean on Manny - 12 rounds of boredom
I just don't get this view at all. Manny's last six wins are against Marquez, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Cotto and Hatton whilst PBF has beat Ortiz, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, De la Hoya and Baldomir. In their next fights they fight Bradley and Cotto respectively. They are fighting and beating the very best except each other i don't see any evidence that either is fighting worse than usual. That is just an argument put by casual, uneducated boxing fans based on Pacquaios last fight v Marquez which, if anything, proved he is at the same level as he was 3 years ago and 8 years ago respectively.
I think if the fight happens in the next 12 months or so it will see them at or near their peak. But much longer than that and they'll both be past their peak, and also the gaps between fights will mean they're not as sharp as they would be if they get it on ASAP.
Morales is fighting this weekend. Still a great fighter, but also on the down-slope after his peak.
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So may weather retired before he peaked?
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