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First ever staking package i have done in my life so here goes.  I am playing everything listed below whether i sell or not.  Main reason for selling is i want to play every event (excluding PLO) to have a decent shot at the $15k leaderboard and £20k mini prize (for FT mini and main event) and investing this amount of cash for the best possible shot at the bonuses is slightly uncomfortable for the bankroll nit that i am.  These bonuses give reasonable added value to the package and i think the amount of people who will be playing at least 4 events will be very small across the festival.  Any leaderboard prizes/bonuses will be included in any returns on a % basis on top of the standard prize money.

For those who don't know me my name is Mark Wilson.  I have been a professional gambler/sports bettor/arber/online stt player for the last 8 years as my sole income having previously worked for several online betting firms from 2001 as a senior trader/trading director included bet365.  Between 2006-2011 i played over 100,000 mid-high stakes (£30-£1000) 6max reg/turbo/hyper turbo stts/double or nothings on betfair so i have probably as much experience of playing short handed tourney's as anyone in the field volume wise.  I stopped playing online poker as a primary source of income in 2011 because the online stt scene was dying and it was literally reg's playing reg's all day every day.  I am realistic and know i am not in the top 10% of the field talent wise in 2014 however i still feel i have an edge over a decent section of the field given my experience and the amount of effort sky/dtd have made to qualify as many of their customers as possible via the extensive sat programme that has been running for months on both sites.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=76257

This is my Hendon mob for live events.  The vast majority of the low buy in events at dtd belong to another Mark Wilson who plays at dtd and are not mine just for clarity.

I am present daily on tips of tikay thread on blonde and i am 100% trustworthy with large financial transactions as several of the more senior posters on the thread would confirm.

Proposed Package

Saturday 9 August £250 Mini Day 1c (1 re entry) - £500  If i win £1k main seat this will obviously roll forward to the main event and refunds issued as appropriate.

Sunday 10 August £150 rebuy sat for the high roller event - £300.  I will be entering this at the add on break to make sure i get the double add on so £300 will be the fixed total buy in.  I will not be buying in directly to the high roller if i don't win a seat via the sats.  Pretty sure these sats will be overlaid and add additional value.

Monday 11 August £150 rebuy sat for the high roller event - £300 (If necessary)  see above

Thurs 14 August £1k main event day 1c (one entry only)

Friday/Saturday 15/16th £500 turbo (if exited the main event - 1 re entry) - £1000

Sunday 17th August £500 hyper turbo (if exited main/turbo events) - I will not be re entering this event unless i have a legit shot at the leaderboard prize.  If i do i will take the £500 out of the potential refunds from early non re entries.  If there are no refunds left then i will consult stakers prior to re entering (obviously this is a highly unlikely situation)

Total value of the package £3600 @ 1.166 = £4200.  Obviously it's a large outlay however it's highly unlikely there are not going to be some refunds due to the re entrys.

I am looking to sell up to 30% so as follows:

1% - £42
2% - £84
5% - £210
10% - £420
15% - £630
20% - £840
30% - £1260

Payment made by bank transfer only please.  Any refunds/returns will be made via bank as well or cash at dtd if people prefer.

Please feel free to correct me if i have made any obvious errors.  This is my first ever staking plan as i said earlier.  If i don't sell out the 30% i will still be playing the whole schedule anyway.

Thanks for reading.

Mark

Good luck with this Mark.

If you make the Final, or even run deep, in the Mini on Sunday, that'll knock Sunday's High Roller sat on the head. It'll also (if top 50) win you a £1,000 Main Event Seat, so a double whammy there.

2% please mark

booked ty.  pm sent with bank details

Mark, i have sent a PM back, please get back to me

Mick

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Hi Mark

I was wanting to play this festival but business commitments means slight likelihood so Id be happy to have a small sweat of 2%.

Cheers

pm sent with bank details. 

2% please. PM me bank and I can ship today

pm sent

Travelling over to dtd this morning so stake will close around 12. If anyone wants a percentage let me know before 12 and I will pm bank details to ship the cash around 12 on arrival at dtd before day 1starts.

2% gone privately.  22% left

5% will find you later in DTD (Ben Mayhew)

ok cheers.

I'll take 5%

booked.  12% left

ArgueBoy is seated next to Greg Hill, aka Junior Senior.

Sold out essex cash takes the final 12%.

We are up to 130k early in the 250 mini.

145k second break

170k third break

keep at it Mark

cant win it today etc etc etc

Gone lost jq v aj then a6 v ak b o b after a tough couple of levels blinding away

Refund due for 250 as no rebuy

Should defo play the high roller regardless if your leaderboard hunting IMO, I'm sure it's the most lucrative for leaderboard points without having to best 700 players.

Gl mate, Gogogo

12 left in roller sat 5 seats average 53k we got 67k

8 left 80k average  we got 110k

GLGL!

Seat hoovered for tomorrow. We did a £200 bubble saver with 6 left which was massively in my favour to agree to as I was never a 5/1 shot to bubble as I was the short stack.  Hope nobody minds that we did the saver as I feel it was a good bet for me to take.

There will obviously be £600 refunds from not playing the second high roller sat tomorrow afternoon now minus the £200 bubble saver to deduct

think of me when you win the HR, ty. gl

Change of plan today going to play the HR sat for a 2nd bullet (help dtd out with their overlay if it runs) for a 2nd bullet at the HR or if i don't need that use the 2nd bullet if i get one for the £3k wpt later in the year which you will obviously all have a piece of for the same %.  Hope everyone is ok with that.

cheers.  Was a brutal hand.

Off and running in the sat.

15 left average chips 5seats

Couldn't quite fall into another seat came 7th in the sat.

55k after first break from 50k starting

51k 2nd break end of level 5.

Solid.

Good luck mark.

You love a solid gag !!!!!! 4 years on!!!l

Liverpool +4000
Villa+4000
Draw+ 4000

Skill game!

 :kiss:

Love you too. You are missing a treat here. Free food and drink for all the high roller players. I am attempting to go through the menu

40k at the end of level 7. Average 72k

End of level  9 40k average 94k

139k at the end. Roller coaster day. Could easily have gone busto with aq when I would have run into aces with 30 bigs. Game on for tomorrow.

Well done. Good luck tomorrow.

Good luck tomorrow!

Its the hope that kills me.

Nice work.

Good luck.

Cheers lads.

Good luck! Talk them out of it!

playing day 2 of the high roller

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Mf7HQMo50cZNFpZRDpxA0vavT1GxAHsot5yYPBd_w4tW=w389-h581-no)

Very tough first hour down to 95k average 175k blinds1500/3000 17 left 7paid min cash £7k

Under the cosh now 16 bigs with 15 left

Just doubled to 105k average 200 k 15 left 35 bigs

Up to 185k now just won jj v aq off aip 14 left 215k average

Down to 100k now lost ak v a5 on a5xxx board.25 bigs 14 left still

Busto shoved 77 over a cut off raise from button for 15 bigs after a brutal hour of being card and spot dead with 20 bigs. Called by 99 from original raiser. No help. Pretty gutted to get so deep and not cash.

Unlucky mate.

This picture just cannot pass without comment....its like wearing a Man Utd hat and a Liverpool tracksuit top

Off and running in main. Only know Danny toffel on table.

Toffel has paid to hit 3 gut shots on the turn so far by myself and hit all 3. Mbn. Down to 37k early doors.

26k first break awful two hours is an under statement .

Busto. Literally the most unreal mtt I have ever played for constantly running into the nuts . Did 8k after the break first hand 2nd nut flush v nut flush then lost the rest with aa double barreling and running into bottom two pairs obviously on the turn.

Ul mate- text me whatever final figure owe is after all comps and il send over

Just to keep you all in the loop i will be late reg'ing the turbo after the first break.  Will still have over 100 bigs so shouldn't be a problem.

Good luck!

Off and running in the 500 turbo.  Looks like a monster overlay here. Even rob surely can't dig himself out of this one!

42k at second break nothing to report.

Full double to 94k check shoving over a C bet and a flat with pair and a slfush draw. Guy calls with top pair rag kicker and we river flush. Pretty gutted not to treble up as other guy tanked with top pair as well.

Still 95k at end of level 8. End of buyins. It has made roughly 135k so we are effectively playing a rake free £500 event as it is 10% short of the 150k gtd

105k at end of level 12. Moved from table heaven to table hell unfortunately

busto lost aq (q diamonds) v a3 off on an a3x 3 diamond board for the majority of stack v the luck box vet on the other staking thread then did the rest 1010 v king rag off to zimber first card king obv.  Tough game.

Last chance tomorrow in the hyper turbo.  No re entry today so £500 refund to the package.

Total summary of investment's from the package

£250 mini - 1 bullet - £250
£150 rebuy HR sats - 2bullets @ £315 each - £630 + £200 saver on the bubble = £830
£3k high roller - seat won via the sats above - 1 bullet - £0
£1k main event - 1 bullet - £1000
£500 turbo - 1 bullet - £500
£500 hyper turbo 1 bullet - £500

Total invested £3080 @ 1.166 = £3600 (rounded up for ease of calcs)

Original budget was £3600 @ 1.116 = £4200.

If no cash in the final event today there will be refunds due at £6 per 1%.

Thanks for the update.

Good luck today.

Depending if i bust out of the £500 today before re entry closes and/or if there is an overlay i might use the additional balance left over for a 2nd bullet.  Assume no one would have an issue with that if there was an overlay.

Off and running early up to  70k after getting paid 3 streets with top two. 28 players in as we speak at the end of level two needs 100 to make gtd

you're the man on the ground, if you need to take that bullet, you take it if you think it's right

no problem, prefer you to use one bullet and win it tho... :)

No probs with 2nd bullet if needed.

Good luck.

72k at second break 41 entries so far

Down to 45k at the end of re entries. Made 49k so no over lay and £4k of rake for dtd. Average 78k now

Full double kq v 33 aip turned him dead. 100k now average 82k 60 players left

Up to 170k now gas7 wadey Mitch rob boon now on table. Gas7 wanting a million chips in an hour so this could be high variance. Average 89k

Up to 220k now. 99 held v ak against Mitch

good luck mark

karma for supporting the festival so much this week, hopefully

Nice work Mr Stoke - feeling a deep run here for you.

Down to 150k now which is average had to  rise fold a couple of times 33 left

Good luck Mark

Down to 130k now with gas7 literally raising or shoving every hand . Gas just busto 99 v 1010 v rana

Full double aj shoved pre snapped by aq jack on river. 255k average240k 22 left

330k 18 left average 280k

Busto in the most awful spot. Ska lie raises utg button flats some ginger nerd Jackson stakes flats cove flats I shove 35 bigs with kk skalie folds kid snaps with aq for virtually his life with cove still to act behind and rivers an ace. I need to find a more skilful hobby to waste a weeks time with I think and all your money. Monster Chip leader with 15 left if we hold. I actually can't tell you how disillusioned I am with this so called skill game over the past few months and this just pretty much sums it up.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=173501

This is the hero in question.  Given this would easily have been his biggest cash of his life just to min cash it makes the snap call  for virtually his stack all the more baffling.  Maybe he was keen to show his boss what a hero/run good luck box he is.

Will sort out refunds tomorrow etc once i have a clearer head.  Sorry for sounding so negative but i have put in an 90 hour shift in the last 9 days at dtd for fuck all.  Time for a new hobby. 

TY for the support.  Appreciate it.

Don't hate the player....

why?  You think he makes the same call if he is playing with his own pocket money rather than a freeroll because of the overlay from his staker?  If you spent the last 3 years constantly getting 3 outered deep in big buy in comps close to the money by clueless mugs like this kid it would start getting to you as well in a game that's sold to everyone as a skill game.

I have no comment on the free roll aspect of things because I'm not sure what you're referring too but there is a hell of a lot of variance in poker and shit like this happens to everyone. I also don't thing he expects u to turn up with just aces kings or queens here very often so it's not the worst call in the world (I assume u want it to look like a squeeze which is why u jam)

And finally

http://pokerstarsprotege.maidocloud.com/pro/pro_1

yeh kinda ool imo.

this is a bad beat

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR52zv1GqBY

what was yours 70 30 ?

Freeroll aspect means if he had to raid his piggy bank for the monkey to play and/or win via a sat through his own cash and efforts he is never calling in this spot in a million years given the icm situation and the fact it's clearly a huge amount of money to him.

This is where levels on levels and all this poker speak gets a bit carried away and people forget it's a pretty simple gambling game with two cards.  He is a 45% dog to every hand i shove in that spot at absolute best.  No one in their right mind in a £500 donkfest that soft with above average chips is ever going to shove into 3 people (including utg raiser) with worse than aq in that spot.  he is a 10% dog against AA, 28% dog v kk/qq or ak and a 42.5% dog v 1010 or jj and a 45% dog against any other pair which is shoving below 1010.  He chops if i have AQ.  I keep things really simple and see them from a betting/odds point of view.  He chooses to get his money in last in this spot (obviously only one way to win when he had every chance to show aggression himself and take down the pot with no showdown in position) and is a dog to every possible hand he is likely to see.  This is before the fact he has comfortably above average in chips and can find a much better use for his stack icm wise.

When you say it's not the worse call in the world i am starting to wonder if i am going mad!

What person playing for easily the biggest cash of their life would choose to play AQ in this manner seriously?  

Please don't think I'm trolling. Also I have no idea who villain is so I'm not defending him.

If u expect AQ to fold what are u looking to get called by?

Unlucky son, poker is a **** of a game...

Lay off the gingers though... I'll be in that bracket if I don't shave for another couple days!

i don't think you are trolling at all.  I appreciate your comments given the Blatch history etc in the past as you could easily have just read and not commented.  I have calmed down now slightly but i just think poker has become such a level on level war that just by playing ABC solid poker in these donkfests you have such an edge which is why i am so fucked off i keep doing my cash in these spots.  

I am a winner.  I am used to winning at everything i have ever done in my life mainly through hard work and preparation (school/university/sports/gambling even women to a certain extent).  I am a terrible loser so maybe poker is not for me.  I am a big believer in show me a good loser and i will show you a loser.  I get variance i gamble for a living ffs i have swings daily/weekly/monthly etc etc i have for years with no other form of income.  I also get mtt sample sizes etc etc and how small they are live.  But i just can't get my head round how fucking bad i run deep in big mtt's when there is serious cash on the line.

In reply to this i would expect to get that shove through virtually every time and be quite happy to pick up over 35% of my stack without show down.  Obviously AA/kk and probably qq/ak will call.

To flip the question back to you how wide do i have to be shoving there for AQ off to be a profitable call just pot odds wise without even factoring in the damage to your stack from the ICM implications.  I just can't imagine how you can ever think aq is good in that spot for a call 4 from the money when you are above average chips and for such a big % of ur stack.  There was no thought process in the slightest he literally snap called as well once Skalie folded like he was setting a trap (i instantly said 'i must have run into AA as usual' then as Cove folded he just rolled over aq like it was the nuts)  I would happily bet 1/9 (effectively 90% of the time) that aq is always crushed in that spot ie (1010-AA and ak).  I class 1010 and jj as crushing aq off because you are a 57.5% fav.  I have never understood why people call it a flip.

No problem that's all water under the bridge.

Isn't this where levelling comes into play? If all players in this hand should fold a hand as strong as AQ isn't this a great spot for u to shove and add 35% to your stack as a bluff?

One thing i have realised is that i don't like carrying the pressure of other people's money, especially those that i don't know that well.  I feel bad when i lose and that's probably why i am ranting so much so i am sorry if i am coming across badly.

Maybe.  That's where i am too logical maybe.  Who knows. AQ isn't a strong hand though when you are getting your money in last.  It beats ace rag and kq.  Literally the only hands you want to see if you are trapping with aq.  Otherwise you are getting your money in behind last with only one way to win.

The bottom line is if i could get the top four beat at home in the EPL as often as i get 3 outered deep in big ( for me) mtts (the % chance is the same roughly speaking) i would be a millionaire laying them on betfair and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

did anybody call the police yet?


call looks solid. expect anybody who played turbos for a living to have a r/c range here and it would consist of qq/ak+ so aq shouldnt be dominated.


ul tho, def a really sick beat.

i bow down to the best in the business (i am being serious here Pads btw before i get called out for taking the piss! i really respect your achievements in the game through hard work).  He didn't raise fwiw.  He flatted the utg raise on the button then called off when i shoved.  I still can't have it AQ is a flat/call off in that spot with those ICM implications for those stack sizes but you are the best in the game officially.

yeh i mean if i was him i would definitely contemplate flicking it in. you look youngish so would expect you to just riffle chips, stare at people and then squeeze to some amount with a bunch of low denomination chips with qq, ak+

i would expect to be flipping a bunch, dominating rarely, and dominated close to never.

it always depends on dynamics though, but just in general, from how i imagine id view you at the tables id probably assume ^ and potentially go with it. (if i didnt 3bet initially)

vs your perceived range he is getting a really great overlay/price though.

i know it really sucks, ive had some stinkers too, just be the bigger guy and get on with it knowing that he made a bad play vs your actual range.

also dont beat yourself up about not making money this week. you have had some really great runs and put yourself into good positions to make good money, that means youve played really well and you cant be pissed about how the poker gods decide who wins today, in reality you probably made a good 1-2000£ in slansky bucks and many more in galfond bucks.

btw where did it come? flop, turn or river? and were there any verbals? :)

appreciate you taking your time out on a Sunday to reply.  It was the river.  No verbals i don't think.   I was still in shock when he casually turned aq like it was AA by the time the ace fell on the river.  You probably don't have this problem of backing 2/5 shots at 5/4 and expecting to get drilled most of the time.  I struggle to find these spots in anything other than poker as you don't tend to get too many punters on bf looking to back true 5/2 shots at evens to compare it to. 

I made a call with a7s in a similar spot earlier in the hyper and the shipper showed 67o (29bb effective). the young kid obviously put u on a much wider range when shipping there to take advantage of fold equity and dead money, and v a lot of younger aggro players that's a correct snap call w aq. obv v you - from what I've seen this week - it was a fold, certainly for 35bb eff in that tourney when the field was so soft. so yeah I agree w arbs bad call from him vs you specifically I think. how long had he played w you though? it's hard to criticise him if u just met/no hands gone to showdown etc, as I think if make the same call

Harsh to mug the guy off like this in public. It's gambling.

Not sure I like jamming 35 bigs to be honest. Gotta be losing value here?

Anyways, enjoyed the thread mark. Well done.

Saying that he was backed influenced his decision in this hand is a big assumption and from what I know, an incorrect one. Richard is a poker enthusiast who cares more about poker success in the non-monetary way; cue the eye rolls and non-believers, although rare it's true.

I'm not sure if this call is a good one or bad one because it's dependant on info we don't have and 35bb is actually loads especially in a turbo. In fact it's humongous which means he should probably just fold. There's a chance he would of folded if he had raised and been 3b shoved on but having limped, I don't think he was limping to fold. Ultimately I don't think any non in game theoretical decision had anything to do with this.

Right calmed down a bit now from last night after a relaxing morning in the steam room and a swim at the gym.  Thanks for all the regs commenting on my rants.  I appreciate the input but i am a terrible loser generally and after a monster 9 day session at dtd over all the sky donkfests and sats looking down at those kings in the bb i had my eyes on the £14k first prize.  It's over now and we move on.

Everyone has a £6 refund per 1%.  TBH i don't really want the hassle of refunding £12's to every one (i will if anyone really wants obviously) so happy to roll it all forward for a bullet at the GPS at dtd in September although this would mean the mark up would be a bit higher than before.  Can everyone let me know what they think.

Once again thanks for your support and i await instructions from the investors.

Don't worry about my £30. Charity is fine, there's more value in it ;)

I know coming from me this must sound a little hypocritical, but you gotta calm down a little pal! It took me basically losing my entire bankroll to accept I had temperament issues that weren't only wrecking my game in the short term but also destroying my long term ability to study and improve. I can see a lot of the old me in the comments you made here. In fact, I made similar comments a while ago in my diary and got absolutely crucified for it (and rightly so). Perhaps a bit of time off, and a bit of reflection, would help you out a little? Most of what you've said here screams of accumulated tilt, so perhaps having a read of the mental game of poker might help? Worth a read for absolutely anyone regardless of temperament imo.

Rollovers fine as long as you've calmed down by then :)

Secured your spot in the advent calendar at least.

Hi Arbs

Ive enjoyed the sweat and feel your hurt.

Im not wanting a refund you can use if for the GPS if thats in order.

See you on the DTD site some time.

Cheers

yeah 100% agree with this. Ofc it's tilting to play good all week and get sod all back in return, but putting the guys Hendon mob on here and saying how bad he is is imo totally out of order. 

It hurts a lot when that happens but in the long run u will win with kings way more than lose so you should want him calling off all day long. I would be loving my life when he flips AQ, if he hits he hits that part is unfortunatly out of your control.

As pads said if you kept getting yourself into these spots in the 1st place you were obv playing well. When u in the last third of any tourney it is massively relied on luck imo.

Oh and afaik the guy in question grinds cash online with his own bankroll.

calling ppl out for "assuming they get staked" is pretty rude don't you think? and considering 85% of the poker population gets backed is pretty laughable too.

AQ>KK is just bog standard. Happening deep in a big comp is straight up bog standard, almost expected. And as we all know terrible play is ultra rewarded as STANDARD! Happens to EVERYBODY!! So dry ur eyes arbboy ;)

So you wouldn't vote for him to be Vanessa Selbst's next protege? Pretty sure it's the same guy right?!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbh1gRaq9Os

Even Trumper is plugging him!

@Dusk_Till_Dawn_: Vote for DTD regular Richard Shiels

http://t.co/DDdTsT2rA3

Got my vote!

Jay-Z had better watch out :D

wauuuuuw love this!!!

85%? Where do you get that figure from, Dreenie?

I have no data to back my view up, but the real number is surely way, way, less than that. I'd put it at under 10%, but just a guess. The vast majority of the poker playing population are "low limit" recreationals who have never even heard of staking, & would not be in the least interested in being staked.

Of course the 85% it's pulled out of the sky  but like most things in the tiny little poker world if we have 20 mates who play poker and 17 are staked that must be representative of the whole population.  Just like calling off the vast majority of your stack in this particular situation is a 'totally standard spot'.  It's one of the funniest phrases used in poker in the past 5 years 'totally standard spot'.  It can usually be translated roughly into 'i got far too many big blinds into a pot when there was no need to in a really marginal/usually -EV/bad ICM spot and lost the 43/57% or 28/72% 'flip which isn't a flip but we will call it a flip because it sounds better when we tell the backers' when there were far better uses/spots to invest my gambling tokens for my backers'

I don't understand what the problem is here. You jammed an awful lot of BB with a premium hand, presumably so it would look like a kinda bluffy squeeze, he interprets the move in this way and calls with a pretty ideal hand against a bluff squeezing range, and he got there. If, even after a few days, you can't take that, you should probably look at some stuff like the mental game of poker and work on improving in this area, or find a different game to play.

do agree with that point Mark.

Feel like there is a tone used towards people who are backed that's kinda derogatory, you'd be very surprised at who is and isn't backed in the poker world.

Hi Dave, good to see you last week, thanks for coming along to UKPC, & I hope you got the lot in the cash game.

In case there is any confusion, the point I made earlier about Staking was not suggesting it was a bad thing, just that I thought "85%" was wrong by a factor of about 10!

I do have views on serial staking generally, but that's another story altogether, and they certainly don't include anything derogatory about those who are staked, or who stake. It does sort of worry me in some ways though, some folks don't 'arf get in some big holes, & I heard THE most incredible staking story last week, though it's not for publication, sadly. Each to their own is fine, though. I now play small-ball poker, & I've never enjoyed my poker as much as I do now.

I am just answering questions put to me and statements made against me.  I am well over it there is no problem.  Let's just move on.

Back to business.  The left over amounts are going forward as follows.  Can those still to confirm post on here otherwise i will assume rolling forward to GPS is acceptable.

Dubai 12% - roll forward to GPS
Ben Mayhew 5% donate to charity (Eso rugby league tickets charity - £30 to pay in cash next time i see you in person)
Redarmi 5% -  roll forward to gps
Teamonkey 2% - TBC
Redfox 2% - tbc
Redsimon 2% - roll forward to gps
private 2% - roll forward to gps

roll it up baby!!!!!!


and willing to top up if needed

Not to drag it on but it's kind of ironic that you're calling out staked players in a staking thread!

This is my last comment on this.  I shouldn't bite but comparing a 6 event over the whole festival big 4 figure 30% staking package (where i have invested decent 4 figures of my own hard cash and around 100 hours of table time plus the opportunity cost of lost earnings from working on bf) which was predominately aimed at the added money from sats/leaderboard/mini bonus to a kid who only gets to play the £500 hyper turbo via a facebook last minute ad from his staker (for probably a 15-20% freeroll at best with none of his own money put up and 1000/1 he plays the event on his own dime if they are not staring at a £25k overlay with 2 hours of late regs left) to fill up what was looking a monster overlay with 2 hours to go is comical.

I am not changing my view having thought about it.  If he has won a £500 seat on his own dime and is playing for >75% of himself he never makes that call given the ICM implications/chip counts/how close we are to the bubble/his staker standing right behind him at the table.

That's my point HOW DO YOU KNOW what he does or doesn't do?

Do u know how bad it comes across when you write stuff like that or u just don't give a fck right?

The 85% was just plucked from thin air tbh  but like dave said u wd be surprised who is backed... even the big boys they are backed but if someone like "stato1 was making this call u wouldn't write what u wrote THAT was the point I was trying to make.

I wouldn't even be writing this if you hadn't of given me such a shitty reply.

being backed on a long term make up deal to play mtts is ever so slightly different to being thrown in at the last minute only because rob is doing his nuts on an overlay and phoning anyone who will stake anyone into it to save his arse.  Is it only me who notices the same groups of people buying in late to mtt's at dtd when there is an overlay who never normally play there and all have 'connection's' shall we say to one or two big players in the game with money?  They are on a spin up/freeroll and will only win £1/2k even if they win the event as they hold such a small % of themselves therefore, by the very nature of this, will gamble much more aggressively than if they have 100% of themselves.  That's just human nature.

I appreciate the vast majority of people are staked.  I ain't as stupid as i look whatever you may think.  I know who is staked by who generally.  I keep my ear/eyes to the ground.

Big assumptions/accusations being made.

If you use your common sense and keep your eyes/ear open it's pretty obvious what is going on when there are big overlays.  I have no problem with it but it helps your cause if you understand what is going on around you.  If you played the two turbo mtts on Saturday and Sunday and knew the connections of the people who bought in late who would never normally play these type of events then you will know what i mean.  Like i say i have no problem with it at all.  It's a win win situation for everyone involved.

this is the bad said of gambling - Everyone assumes/knows excatly what is going on with who and how much etc. I find it laughable that so many people seem to know everything and anything with people's financial situations that they have never even met.

dreenie some people are, by the very nature of their connections around the gambling world, more informed than others.  Nobody knows everything about everything but the more contacts you have and the more you have been around teh block the more you will know.

Can I just wade in again and say that with your tone, and lack of respect for someone's play which doesn't seem overly bad to me or a number of other people who have come itt based on assumptions which you do not know to be accurate, you are digging yourself a pretty big hole. This vendetta you seem to have against this guy for knocking you out of a tournament is not only unjustified, but completely and totally unprofessional. I don't think this is an accurate representation of you as a person or a player, but I certainly don't think you're doing yourself any favors.

Also, as someone who used to be staked quite a bit on this board, I would be more inclined to call off light and do some slightly crazy shit on my own money (indeed, recently at least, I probably have been). Pretty embarrassing to return to stakers with spewy stories. Secondly, you can't go on someone's hendon mob as a representation of their ability. I've got a 20k cash on there and I'm still pretty terrible, and was worse then. Similarly some regular posters on this forum, who are definitely sickos, have pretty "bowl" hendon mobs. This guy could well be pretty good. Even if he's not, everyone has to start somewhere. Posting this sort of stuff about him is completely ool.

All i have tried to do is explain why he made a bad call given the circumstances he was put into the comp on.  I am not digging myself a big hole at all.  I couldn't care less whether i post on blonde or not.  I am speaking my mind which numerous people on here still seem to have a problem with.  I have no reason to appear 'professional' whatever that means.  I am not looking to become a corporate poker player or enhance any image in the game.  I say things how i see them.  I have no axe to grind with the guy in question or anyone else.  I stated i thought his call was bad and the reasons why i thought he made his 'bad' call.  I stand by every statement i have made.  Whether you agree with them or not is totally your choice.  I won't be losing any sleep over yours or anyone else's views that agree or disagree with mine.

My image in the game is perfectly fine with me. I say things how they are.  I appreciate a lot of people don't like this and find it uneasy and like to fit into the masses.  That has never bothered me.  I have never knocked/borrowed money from anyone in the game.  My image (the image that really matters to me and other professional gamblers who deal with me) of never even considering knocking anyone is 100% safe and anyone who has ever had any financial dealings with me in any form of gambling in 13 years knows this and can trust me 1000% to be paid in full/on time in any circumstance.  A lot of so called pros with great 'PR' images would love to be able to say the same as me but would clearly be lying.  I know which of the two images helps me sleep better at night.

So you are happily saying that you agree with all your statements about what rob does and what u think Richard does etc ?

That's the point I was trying to make. All well and good saying tthings how you see them I like that style. However when I have no actual facts to what I am trying to say I tend to keep my assumptions to myself. But that's just me. Like you said u think it's fine to publicly call someone out on a public forum, I don't.  so we just agree to disagree.

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Okay, I apologize for getting involved. Good luck in future endeavors :)

Don't think dreenie or rexas are accusing you of anything to do with your honesty and integrity In the gambling world.
Think their point is that to someone who has never met you, such as myself which on a forum like this common, you just come across as a bit of an arse/ not showing yourself in your best light

I was a bit of an arse 4 years ago as well.  Shit happens.  I don't tend to worry about it.  I am right more often than i am wrong so i just tend to go with my view and not worry about what other's think.

Looks to me like you've owned the guy by making such a huge jam and repping a very different hand to what you had. If I was in his shoes I'd assume I was usually flipping, occasionally dominating, and almost never dominated. So well played.

Not much point in hating on a guy that made a 'bad call' against your actual hand (and perhaps against your actual range), but a reasonable call against the range that he probably perceived you to have. But even if he really has played his hand badly, still not much point in hating on him.

You said you are a believer in 'show me a good loser and show me a loser'. This cliche really does not work in poker. To be a winner at poker you must be very good at losing.

I quite like arbboy's tone in this thread, say what you think and say it to the public. Too many times you overhear people saying bla bla so and so is terrible amongst their private circles. Apart from getting a bit too personal Mark, I see nothing wrong with a little bit of fire in someone's belly now and again.

Yo ArgueBoy. ;)

I don't think that is true, far from it.

A LOT of players are staked, fine, so be it, but the VAST majority are not staked. It's not even close.

If you mean those who played the UKPC last week, it's a lot closer, but the majority would have played on their own money. 

I'm not interested in the debate, but I so love that, I'm stealing it, & claiming it as mine.

Good to see you last week. I SO hope that Interview survives the Edit Suite......

Agree with this. And arbboy is a winner with the women as well so people need to lay off!

The highest make-up figure I've heard of is $11,000,000

!

It was not THAT daft.

It was a 5 figure sum, but that is, it seems, nothing these days.

It was another aspect that piqued my interest though, being fear of getting out of MU, in case the backer took the opportunity to close the deal. I must say, that occupied my mind for a good few hours. 

I think Tikay is right in that if you take the poker playing population as a whole then the (vast) majority is NOT staked. Tikay knows the vast majority of players play at the microstakes.

In EPTs etc however, the number of people that truly have put in 100% of the money themselves and have kept 100% of the action is very low.

5 fig makeup totes standard teeks!

I've ran well to have never been in too much given what I play. But better players who play lower stakes have got in more than that and out again multiple times over!

I would be amazed if 250 of the field in the £1k had 100% of their own action tikay.  If you include swaps (which is effectively selling in a different way to smooth variance) i would be amazed if 100 people had 100% of their own action.  Your statement is obviously correct in the whole poker community including all stakes down to the micros.

"Dad playing poker back in the 90's"....I feel old.

The nineties were recent right? My wardrobe says so.

How? Surely that can NEVER be gotten out of.

What happens if the backer wants to stop backing? Do they forfeit the right to get that money back?

Ah the good old makeup argument

Will explain why a horse is worth more to a backer when he has higher makeup than none tho- it's the opposite of the real world, worse you are doing the more value you have to the "company (backer)" and more demands you can make

Reason is- when a player has 0 makeup and is on a long term 50/50 deal- the first tournament he plays it's the equivalent of the backer paying 2.0 for shares in that tournament. However if a player has 100k makeup and first prize is 100k, then it's the equivalent of the backer buying shares at spot aka 1.0 in they tournament. Therefore theoretically the higher the players makeup in relation to the tournament prize pool, the better the investment appears as a one off for the backer


Which is why people get let go when they clear makeup, as it's the point they are worth the least to their backer

The main problem with regards to backing people particularly in mtts is that a huge portion of the players that need backing/are backed fit into the 0-20 region. Now what this means is they are somewhere between break even and 20% roi winner- now obviously on paper a 20% winner is fine- problem being when you factor into variance, playing expenses, living costs it now becomes a massive issue. They simply can't win enough money to sustain the costs of living associated with life and tournament poker, so they end up borrowing on makeup, putting expenses on makeup and the figure starts to rise- bear in mind they are only a 20% roi winner at best and that's when they are playing well. Now they start playing slightly worse and are only a very tiny winner, some bad variance when deep can mean huge downswings for these types of players whilst continuing to borrow and seek the big win to get out. Now the figures too big and they are probably a small losing -roi player. GG

That is SO counter-intuitive. I am quite sure you are right (no, really), but I need an hour in a dark room to think it through.

I certainly know several players who are scared to get out of MU in case they get dropped. It all just feels so odd to me. It's almost as if both parties prefer the MU to be big!

Guess I live in a different world.

Was great to see you last week, you really seemed to have your poker head on, & your stack was up & down like an up & down thing.

I agree with all that. It seems to me that many have no chance of ever getting out of it, & end up playing for nothing, in effect.

I am not dissing the thing, I just find it all a bit weird.

Well you have your anomalies- they include people who are actually good (pretty rare). People who don't need money to live on so doesn't matter if they are skint (not as rare as you would think), and people who run good and just hit a big bink when under it and nearly drawing dead. The ability to play as well in big makeup as you would normally is obv a huge factor.

So you ideally want someone good, who isn't bothered about makeup and who can live on beans on toast happily for huge parts of the year, that also might run good


Hence why Middy was a great person for people to back- even Jordan Belfort started off skint

Ideal horses are probably young kids, fresh from uni- super smart, been eating Supernoodles for 3 years so another few months doesn't faze them- hungry not just physically but probably enjoy poker and want to play etc, particularly if they are relatively new to the gambling world. Only downside is these people probably aren't top tier at poker but they can end up there

Throw in Nando's sauce and we got a deal.

Agree 100% with all of that.

I only made the point because I see these myths bandied about & they soon become "facts". And it is beyond belief how many people believe everything they read, & start perpetuating the myth. (see "online poker is rigged", "Ladbrokes river card" & all that guff). I was deffo not dissing dreenie, just needed to make the point.

blonde is a very odd place, because it has a disproportionate number of "bigger" players, many - perhaps most - are used to the world of staking. In truth, in the wider world, there are gazillions of micro-limit players who have never even heard of staking, & would be appalled at the mere thought.

If you study the daily, weekly & monthly amount of Online Poker Traffic in the UK, for example, it peaks towards the month end, & early the next month, after people get paid, or receive their rakeback. Then it declines gradually until the next monthly payday. These players represent the huge majority of "regular" poker players.

There are squillions of players who deposit, say, £10 or £25 a month, sometimes by standing order, & stop playing for the month once it has all gone, then return next month.

These players don't hold much interst for regular blondes, but they are, by a huge margin, the biggest by number of players.

Well yes, I suppose so, but my point was not that, it was the fear of getting out of make up that had me scratching my head in the specific cases I alluded to.

Even so, try explaiing 5 figure make-up to a non poker player, or a random in Tesco, & you'll get some funny looks.

I would not argue with a word of that.

But the wider poker world as a whole is a very different thing to a Big Boys Fessie.

I'm sure if I had the self-confidence, ability & track record, I'd happily sell action when I want to play, say, a £500 Omaha jobbie.

how did the first timer from stoke get on tikay?  He looked scared to death before day 1 started when you introduced him to me!  Hope he had a good day and enjoyed it.

Probably because he was afraid if he did something wrong he'd get berated and have his hendon mob displayed on various forums.

Nice work i set myself up well for that gag there!  He looked scared to death in general as it was his first ever live mtt and he wasn't on my table.  Must be an incredible feeling playing your first ever live mtt for that sort of money.  Never understand why people don't go to their local casino the week before and just play a bowlfest for a score and just get used to the feel of the chips etc.

Now there's a great question.

For context, this was a lad who had never played Live before, & qualified for 60p, or in a Freeroll, or similar. He perfectly repersents the type of player I was talking about earlier. 

A thread was started next door wishing him good luck, & all the other "small-ball" players went on & wished him well. The thread ran to 4 pages.

I'll post his review, but you'll have to pardon the references to me, but this is what I do, this is what Tighty, only half-mockingly, means when he refers to me doing "Front of House". I try & help players like this enjoy the day, & "live the dream", which was why I introduced him to you & many other "faces". I did the same with 10 or 12 lads, & I'm sure the Big Boys were wondering "wtf?" when I kept wheeling these lads up to meet them. But just look at the awe in his post. I introduced one newbie to Sam Trickett, & the kid nearly fainted, & I'm pretty sure he bowed to Sam. These lads will never forget that day.

And that's my point about blonde being a different world. The blondes turn up at UKPC or UKIPT as if it is nothing. To some, though, it is, literally, their lifetime poker best moment ever, & will never be repeated. These lads are the foundation of the poker economy, we should never forget that. Quite how they react to being called "fish" I'm not quite sure. They have very little chance of winning much, but we should look after them.

Incidentally, he busted end of day one when he took a correct flip, but ended up the wrong side of it. I would have SO loved him to have made Day Two.

I'll c & p his Post, & the thread, next. It made my day, I can tell you.

".....one of the best days of my lifewhat can i say,simply amazing,

i arrived at 11.30 with the wife me bro and his lady stood at the door for about 5 mins just taking it all in spotted Tikay talking to some grumpy guy at the merchandise counter he walked past me i didn't,t dare say owt(was abit nervous tbh)next thing i know im sat down with a bunch of chips the lad to my right had a sky poker badge sewn into his shirt i thought oh dear and it proved as he was raising nearly every pot in any position i re-raised him a couple of time to try and stop him nicking my blinds,it worked when he folded but it didn't stop him raising the next hand, top player very aggro his name is Alves.

Spotted Tikay laughing and joking with other players he walked past this time i introduced myself wow he was actually looking for me i was speechless.

the 1st break came went out for a ciggie when Tikay came out with Jen mason he introduced her, i mean cmon, then he introduce me to Tommyd lambert and mattbates had abit of banter then as i was going back in a lad spotted me badge it was MAXALLY,Al you were great m8 putting my mind at ease.sat back down,pretty card dead tried to keep me stack won a couple of pots the another break this time Tikay grabs me and say i want you to meet a couple of his friends,this is Willie Tann and this is Neil Channing i nearly fell over had a small chat, neil thought i played for Stoke :)

then Tikay introduced me to Poshcole,spent some time with posh(steve) thoroughly decent guy moved tables had 30 bigs been card dead got to level 8 20 bigs shove time waiting for a spot 55 allin, call aq,queen on flop,out,i didn't,t mind, looking at the play it was so aggressive i didn't,t see one unraised pot pre flop and that was the difference from what used too.

Tikay,you sir were simply awesome made me feel like a king really made my day giving me encouragement at every opportunity,you really are Mr  Poker and the the whole scene wouldn't,t be the same without you,thank you with all my heartR Craig,what a man stood there all day thx bro,mrs stokefc enjoyed it too bonusHad a great Friday in Nottingham (from what i can remember)on the way home met f-ivanovich on the train bonus

thanks to sky poker and DTD for holding this event and for letting this mere mortal to have his day in the sun absolutely fantastic,Thanks for all the support on this thread


MAXALLY is a forum god :)

Sean"






I really appreciated you taking some time at the start to try & settle him down. I know you are getting a bit of heat, but you showed this lad great respect, & it meant a lot to him.

"One of the best days of my life", how about that?

The whole thread, for those interested, is here......

https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3ab2a85f30-ee28-4054-862f-6b5f9dac9df1&plckCurrentPage=0

Great post.

Not sure anyone should be introduced to willie, on their first trip to a casino though 😀

That's an awesome story.  So glad he settled down once play got underway as when i shook his hand he was incredibly nervous just before the shuffle up and deal!  You can't buy advertising like that.  Imagine how many mates/work mates/guys down the pub he will tell that story to over the next year.

Exactly that. And there were a dozen more like him, & they all had an absolute blast.

Pre-tourney, yeah, he was almost shaking with nerves.

Bit odd really, I can empathise with that, I still suffer terribly nerves at the start of "big" events. Which is no big deal, but when some pimply sort says "you must have Aces old man, your hands are shaking", it don't help much. It embarrasses me acutely, actually, maybe that is the whole idea, though I don't credit such sorts with the guile or intelligence to think at that level.

When you said i was from Stoke and i said hello he just looked at me as if to say 'this guy isn't from stoke' because of my non stoke accent.  Think he was wondering what the hell was going on!  In contrast he had possibly the thickest stoke accent you could ever have.

Why would anyone fear getting out of make up?

Fantastic! You do a great job at this Tony I must say. Although the lad on my table you referred to as a young Gary Glitter might not have felt the same. Pleased you introduced me to him though right after Thewy... This is Julian, EPT Winner, Sky Poker pro, GUKPT, UKIPT Champion, etc etc.  this is Greg, well he's a nothing really.  Helped the image :-)

lol. arrboy, you come across like such a hypocrite here in what you say, dont get how you can slag one guy and be so insulting towards him because he knocked you out, but sing and applaud the other, when they seem to be exactly the same type of player, because he had a good time and enjoyed the experience.
you seem to be going on about how important it is to be nice to people in the game yet youve take up 3 pages on this thread slating some other guy, pasting his hendon mob and generally going against everything you have talked about with Tikay. find it laughable really.

*ill apologize to Tikay here, as i haven't meant to spoil the theme of the thread, as its great to see guys like this playing these comps. But something needed to be said, and im sure others are feeling the same.

Fear of being "dropped" by their backer, apparently, as Dubai explained 2 pages back.....

"....Will explain why a horse is worth more to a backer when he has higher makeup than none tho- it's the opposite of the real world, worse you are doing the more value you have to the "company (backer)" and more demands you can make

Reason is- when a player has 0 makeup and is on a long term 50/50 deal- the first tournament he plays it's the equivalent of the backer paying 2.0 for shares in that tournament. However if a player has 100k makeup and first prize is 100k, then it's the equivalent of the backer buying shares at spot aka 1.0 in they tournament. Therefore theoretically the higher the players makeup in relation to the tournament prize pool, the better the investment appears as a one off for the backer


Which is why people get let go when they clear makeup, as it's the point they are worth the least to their backer...."

No good asking me to explain, it's all a bit over my heads, but Dubai, who may have a smidge of experience in these things, will explain properly, I'm quite sure.

They are not the same type of player at all.  One is in for nothing from a freeroll in a comp having a day out in his first ever live comp.  The other is a low stakes grinder who probably takes money out of the game net and is trying to obviously make a living out of the game long term and has been given a freeroll into a side event comp via last minute staking because of a potential massive overlay.

I didn't slag him off at all.  I just stated that he made a bad call imo because of the circumstances of the deal he was offered which encouraged him to gamble massively FTW as he had such a small % of himself.  I posted his hendon mob to illustrate that this wasn't his normal game.  Nothing else at all.

Tikay that thread is awesome, made me very happy reading it.

Great game.

this the last quote sums it up really. but apparently that isnt slagging him off. so youre honestly saying, if the guy who youve been talking about with Tikay had called off with AQ and felted you, you wouldnt have said the same? think we know the answer to that

Why, in a country of free speech, am i not allowed to say if i think someone has made an awful call and call them a clueless mug if that is my opinion?  Who the fuck do you think you are to tell me i can't call someone a mug if i think they are a mug?  I wasn't aware you are the police on such matters and i didn't realise calling someone a clueless mug is such a terrible offense. Most people get called worse most weeks of their life. I stand by all my comments i have made.  I think his call was shocking given all of the circumstances in question.  End of story.

>some ginger nerd Jackson stakes
> keen to show his boss what a hero/run good luck box he is.
> clueless mugs like this kid
>What person playing for easily the biggest cash of their life would choose to play AQ in this manner seriously?

If this isn't slagging off, I wouldn't like to be in an argument with you. The guy obviously had a reason to believe this isn't a terrible call based on dynamics or whatever. I'm not quite sure how that justifies you calling him a ginger nerd or a clueless mug.

If the player hadn't had any hendon mob scores, such as the one player who qualified for free I'd be surprised if you didn't call him out for being a clueless mug or whatever. A poker decision hardly allows you to personally attack someone. By the sounds of it you need a break from poker or something.

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or to get laid, but he wins with women, so i guess not ;)

hmm i agree you can call someone whatever you like, i call rexas worse most hours of every day. my point is you come on a forum and be rude and insulting to some guy you dont know and rip him apart for doing pretty much a standard thing. its standard, your annoyed and tilted that you got rivered thats it really, and thats normal but to do what you did was out of line in my opinion.
you got rivered?....

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Like i said earlier in my staking thread i don't tend to give a fuck what other people think about my opinions as i make a living out of my opinions being right more than they are wrong.  The kid himself i have been reliably informed posted a similar rant to myself on his FB page after his AQ got busted by 39off to go out in 4th so i am sure he can handle my little rant given he seems to like a rant himself via social media.  If he wants to become a full time professional gambler he will have to get used to listening to a lot worse insults than anything i have fired at him in the last 2 days. 

tbf, for someone who doesn't give a flying one about peoples opinions of your opinions you do repeat your opinions rather a lot

By the way, why do people wear the 'I don't care what people think' badge as a badge of honour - it's hardly the apex of human development/enlightenment

Oh yeah, and don't cry when you get a beat..parp

Woah, hang on just a second. Are you saying it's ok to have a go at him because he does it himself? What kind of example is that? And I think it's a massive shame that any gambler should have to take that sort of abuse, and I certainly don't want to be a part of that problem (and it is a problem) myself. You are an upstanding member of the community, and everything you do reflects on that community (whether you want it to or not). You have a responsibility to behave, at least on public forums (nothing wrong with a bit of a rant to a couple of mates). If he wants to become a professional gambler, he needs to be shown by people like you who are already in that position that berating people who beat you is not OK. I don't even want to know how you know about a rant on his facebook page.

This thread certainly comes to mind here http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63411.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=63411.0)
Surely hendon mob is just the live equivalent of shark scope?

My posts here are by no means an attack on you as a person or anything like that, but a response to something which I feel is drastically wrong with the attitudes expressed by some of the more prominent members of the poker playing community. I would be pretty embarrassed if the guy tikay introduced you to came across this thread and saw the way you treat fellow players. I was part of the problem until pretty recently when I started to see how my actions were affecting my reputation and, more importantly, the enjoyment of other players. Now, I'm constantly embarrassed when I see something like this because it was me not that long ago.

I wasn't going to comment ITT because it seems to me only people who have a staking interest should really have any say in all this. However, it's now doing my nut in.

I'm sure there's a reason this thread is still going. I just don't know what it is.

Staking thread is done, tournaments over, finances sorted, post mortem concluded. Seems about it.

Hands up if you think you can change arbboy's mind...

Put your hands down.

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He's made his position absolutely clear. You don't have to agree with it and he doesn't have to agree with you.

I've played with Rich for a few years in Midland comps of various levels. I've always found him good company, but don't know him personally, beyond the time spent at the tables. In arbboy's position in that hand, I would have played the hand the same way. Rich is ballsy enough to call and astute enough to know you should have bluffs in your range, for exactly the reason discussed already. Shoving with premium hands is a really effective strategy in this spot against this player. Nicely played. Obviously, it didn't work out, but you understand MTT variance and all the stuff about having beaten the odds to have got into that position in the tourney, etc. It's just blooming horrible when it happens in that particular spot, especially after a long week and on the verge of giving the people who'd pledged financial support a serious return on their investment.

My opinion on the rest of this stuff is of no concern to anyone, won't change anyone's mind, won't achieve anything and is staying with me. On this particular thread, I'd encourage others to have a similar think.

Tal out.

Why do you always pop up with some drivel like this at every thread that has some disagreement or argueboy behaviour - some of us enjoy arguing. You give your opinion on just about everything and then want to arbitrate when others should and shouldn't - I mean, really, why do you do it ?

A blonde mod PM'd me with the information if you really want to know.  I do not operate on any social media so i would never have found it myself.

 ;applause;

..... ;popcorn;

Sick staking thread bump from arbboy, wpsir ;)

Arbboy in "speaking his mind" shocker  rotflmfao

Blonde needs this I'm afraid to tell you all :)

I get that part but whilst they are so heavily in make up and they never clear it, then they never earn anything and all they do is service the debt for no reward.

Yo, we've all got opinions. For eg I think jamming KK and wetting your pants you don't get a call by a hand you dominate is pretty muggish. All this I'm happy to take the piddle in the middle without any confrontation lark is pretty yellow.

By comparison calling the UTG open with AQ & a set plan to snap any fecker who tries to squeeze shows a good deal more heart.

BTW when are people gonna realise nirvana is the most enlightened poster on this forum!

Defo agree with this. Jammin KK in the hope you don't get called by worse jus seems mental and not like the thoughts of someone who is serious about making money from the game. If your so certain ur shove gets thru such a high percentage of the time  why wait for kk to Shove with.

You guys are funny.  I have never at any stage said i didn't want a call holding KK.  All i have stated is that his call is awful given the situation/chip stacks/icm situation for him, not for me.  I think you have to remember this is a hyper turbo.  12 paid 16 left in.  I have just joined the table 2 hands ago from a table change and the hero in question has never played against me before ever and knows zero about my game/image etc (therefore i would imagine you would take the line with no previous history that in this spot i pretty much always have to have it unless you have solid reason to think otherwise).  Average chips are 25 bigs.  Everyone involved in this 4 way pot pre has over 35 bigs and i am the shortest of all 4 players with 35 bigs involved in the pot.  The utg raiser and the SB are both reasonably tight players and both in their mid 40s.

There are several sub 12 big blind stacks on the other tables obviously given the weight of chips on my table.  Therefore i am shoving into 3 players all of whom would busto me if they call and beat me 4 away from the money.  I can easily fold to make the money with my above average stack and then gamble.  Therefore in this situation i think its highly unlikely my hand is ever much weaker than 99-aa or aq-ak to shove 35 bigs.  I win 9.5 bigs if i get the shove through (add over 25% to my stack with no show down) and i am pretty indifferent when shoving kk whether i get called or not given the circumstances.  I would quite happily add 26% to my chip stack with no showdown given how shallow the event is playing.  Therefore if you put me on a range similar to this, which given the circumstances, you are pretty much always crushed or a 45% dog at absolute best calling with aq.  Given the dead money he is getting roughly 5/4 (45%) to call (the same price as the best case scenario he can realistically be in)  If he lost the pot he would be sub 12 bigs and really under pressure to cash.  If he folds he still has 45-50 bigs (double average).

If he wants to induce a bluff shove to trap me with aq so he can actually be winning when he calls with aq surely he should reraise the button to inflate the pot to give me a bigger risk/reward ratio to shove wider and believe he is at it on the button?  

I remember playing a very large pot in a cash game when i had AA96ds and got it in preflop for 225big blinds vs KK9c5c who said he put me on QQ**

That was quite annoying.

they take loans out on make up as far as I know and pay a mark up on it, so they might borrow £1000 and add £1500 to the make up
so they are playing on a wage basically

"You guys are funny.  I have never at any stage said i didn't want a call holding KK"

"i would expect to get that shove through virtually every time and be quite happy to pick up over 35% of my stack without show down"

Together with the I didn't insult anybody stuff...

...and the I don't care what anybody thinks before answering everyone's opinion with a wall of text

That said this has been the most interesting thread in a while and arrboy you definitely add value to the forum so carry on being a blonde hero pls.

glad to be of service!

Not strictly how it works Iron, basically if you're staking me and you give me a £1000 loan on make-up then you'd add £2000 to our make-up figure because in order for me to have physically made £1000 for myself (which is what i've received here) then I'd need to have won £2000. So if our make-up is £0, you lend me £1000 and I win £2000 the next day then you'd get the £1000 you'd have won anyway, plus the £1000 that you loaned me.

If our MU was at £0 and you lent me £1000 and only put £1000 on then I went on to win £2000 then I'd get £500 and you'd get £1500 effectively knocking yourself for £500.

The other, fairly significant thing to remember about borrowing money on MU is that technically speaking if you were to then drop me the money you'd loaned would be dropped as well - although often, depending on the circumstances of the dropping decent people will pay back the money that was "loans" as part of the MU (or at least commit to on there next score etc)

So basically it's an interest free loan from the backer, but secured against future earnings (as secure as that can be in poker)

Must be loads of stories where backers, even after dropping their horse have wanted their money back and have insisted it is still paid. I couldnt sleep at night if i were in any more than about £5k's worth of make up. In fact i would hate to be in make up, full stop.

well hero is one word....

Troll ^^

I knew there was something in there about loans not running in the circles I wasn't sure, I always thought there was a mark up
if it was me I would be adding a mark up to the loan (interest of a sort)

FINALLY, I couldn't agree more.

Could  have been worse
http://www.pokerstars.tv/channels/2014/08/ept100-barcelona-key-hand-busquet-vs-reichardt.shtml

they handled it about the same tho

most standard hand ever? UL arrboy but cmon, its live poker.

I think charging vig on such a loan would be perfectly reasonable.

but the stnd way "loans on make-up" is done is I said, interest free and no repayment until they can. Pretty sweet deal for the horse

Remainer of this stake runs tomorrow in Day1d of the DTD gps.  GL us. 

Can't wait for updates/report.

Glglgl

you there to boost nando share price with eso?

I would SO love to spite call with A-Q.....

PS - Good Luck Argue.

Don't i got QQ busto'd by AQ off in the 25/25 on day 2 at the ricoh last weekend just before the money!  I really don't like running into aq at the minute. 

Nah, frightened to leave scotchland today, incase they don't let me back in tomorrow.

Going to be buying in tomorrow after the start time just to let everyone know.  Even at the start of level 5 you still have 50 bigs so loads of play that will be the latest i buy in after the dinner break (end of level 4 - it will probably be much earlier).  I have to stay up tonight to trade the election and will need a decent night's sleep and travel over tomorrow.

Trade what? It was over by the time you posted this ;)

Good luck mate!

Good luck. Hope you run better than in the Referendum (44.7% Yes what a rub down they round it up to 45% on news)

Gl today bud

Just arrived at hotel.  Will be buying in at start of level 3 after the first break at 320pm.

Will take half your stack bud at the end of today!  wp on day 1.

This wasn't quite the table I was looking for! Grinder after grinder!

Perfect table to get that squeeze through with kings

:D

New table 18 k struggling along 250/500

21k at dinner break end of level 6.  Very tough 4 hours.

Nothing changed at end of level 9 21k close to killing myself today has been dull beyond belief

Breaking news we got a double with aa v aq off first card queen as well aip was dreading reporting the second queen but we faded it somehow to have 41k with 40 mins left and average is 76k at 600/1200

went back with 27k first hand we found 44 on cut off open shoved 12 bigs and the dice man called with aj and hit.  gg wp. 

FYP