Jimmy Saville

[mulhuzz]

West Yorkshire Police investigate themselves, and find no wrongdoing...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/10/jimmy-savile-police-report

Really?

makes sense.

if only there was an Independent Police Complaints Commission which could look at allegations like these....


if only

[luther101]

Errrrrmmmmm - the one 'branch' of the celebrity scene that hasn't hit the news - so far - is the music industry, DJs excepted.

An investigation of what many groups (might) have got up to with underage fans in the last 50 years may make Operation Yewtree look like a mere pimple on an enormous cancerous growth!

[Tal]

Izzy wizzy let's get busy


(Sorry)

[RED-DOG]

I read loads of these wiki potted biographies.

I enjoyed this one, but the last bit spoiled it.

Why should stuff like this go into print unproven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Mullard

[kinboshi]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22846712

So he did or he didn't, but he probably did, but the boy might have been 16 - is that what it's saying?

[Waz1892]

West Yorkshire Police investigate themselves, and find no wrongdoing...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/may/10/jimmy-savile-police-report

Really?

bit of history with them doing this if I recall!

[Waz1892]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22846712

So he did or he didn't, but he probably did, but the boy might have been 16 - is that what it's saying?

i guess the 15 quoted, should read 16....that said, surely you can indecently assault anyone irrelevant of age?

[kinboshi]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22846712

So he did or he didn't, but he probably did, but the boy might have been 16 - is that what it's saying?

i guess the 15 quoted, should read 16....that said, surely you can indecently assault anyone irrelevant of age?

Yes, thought they meant 16 instead of 15 for the birthday. But like you say, if it's non-consensual then the age is irrelevant. So is the judge saying it didn't happen at all?

[AlrightJack]

I read loads of these wiki potted biographies.

I enjoyed this one, but the last bit spoiled it.

Why should stuff like this go into print unproven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Mullard

Lots of unproven stuff finds its way into print each and every single day. Just a few weeks ago, in an article in the Evening Standard, on Thursday 23rd May, page 16, entitled "Marjorie's (Wallace) fond memories of BBC's gropers":

Wallace recalls being interviewed by the late Elkan Allan for ITVs Ready Steady Go when she was an aspiring rock chick. "He told me to sleep with him or I wouldn't get the job," she says. "After lunch he showed me the casting couch. I took one look at him and one look at the couch and I knew I would never get the job."

[Jon MW]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22846712

So he did or he didn't, but he probably did, but the boy might have been 16 - is that what it's saying?

i guess the 15 quoted, should read 16....that said, surely you can indecently assault anyone irrelevant of age?

Yes, thought they meant 16 instead of 15 for the birthday. But like you say, if it's non-consensual then the age is irrelevant. So is the judge saying it didn't happen at all?

I assumed it meant that it was consensual - but if it's under 16 then that's irrelevant.

[Waz1892]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-22846712

So he did or he didn't, but he probably did, but the boy might have been 16 - is that what it's saying?

i guess the 15 quoted, should read 16....that said, surely you can indecently assault anyone irrelevant of age?

Yes, thought they meant 16 instead of 15 for the birthday. But like you say, if it's non-consensual then the age is irrelevant. So is the judge saying it didn't happen at all?

I assumed it meant that it was consensual - but if it's under 16 then that's irrelevant.

Andrew Watkinson, 42, from Gateacre, Liverpool, is accused of abusing the boy, then aged 14, between 1993 and 1994. He denies six counts of indecent assault of a child under the age of 16.

Seems like the judge "quashed" 2 charges on Thursday last week because at the trial today "Judge Clement Goldstone QC directed the jury to find Mr Watkinson not guilty on two of six counts he originally faced because the complainant said he could not be sure the alleged abuse happened before he turned 15."  (still confused by the age....as 14/15 all still illegal.....then as mentioned, surely indecent assault isn't age restricted?!.

So then today at the court, the jury deemed a not guilty verdict over the remaining 4 counts of indecent assault..  Reason is unclear??!!?

[Tal]

No. The jury didn't "deem" a not guilty verdict; it delivered a not guilty verdict. The reason for the jury's decision is and will remain secret.

The two counts the judge ordered a not guilty verdict on were of "indecent assault of a child under 16". As the prosecution couldn't prove the alleged victim was under 16 at the time, that's entirely fair.

We are entitled to have some faith in the legal system and the integrity of the law. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[kinboshi]

It's the reporting that's dodgy I think here, not the legal process.

[MintTrav]

I read loads of these wiki potted biographies.

I enjoyed this one, but the last bit spoiled it.

Why should stuff like this go into print unproven?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Mullard

Lots of unproven stuff finds its way into print each and every single day. Just a few weeks ago, in an article in the Evening Standard, on Thursday 23rd May, page 16, entitled "Marjorie's (Wallace) fond memories of BBC's gropers":

Wallace recalls being interviewed by the late Elkan Allan for ITVs Ready Steady Go when she was an aspiring rock chick. "He told me to sleep with him or I wouldn't get the job," she says. "After lunch he showed me the casting couch. I took one look at him and one look at the couch and I knew I would never get the job."

Damn. I thought you were referring to the Marjorie Wallace, the first USA Miss World, first Miss World to be sacked and paramour of George Best, Tom Jones, Peter Revson & Jimmy Connors. Haven't heard of her for years, I thought - gotta check this. Turns out you're on about some BBC biddy I've never heard of. Oh well. I suppose the text gave it away if I had taken the time to read it properly - she wouldn't have been applying for some crummy daytime show. But I shot off too quickly to check it out. I wonder how the real Marjorie Wallace is getting on these days.

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[kinboshi]

Harris found guilty on 12 counts of sexual assault.