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Guys, just wondering whether the remaining seats have been drawn yet and if so when will we have the drafted list??

This evening I believe...good luck :)

This evening on the website, I always thought that evening was 8 o'clock.

Probably cant all get in Tikay's shed

It's there now.

I'm in the reserve list...

http://www.apat.com/Scottish_Player_List.html

http://www.apat.com/Scottish_Reserve_List.html

Didn't make either of them  :(

I'm in, so are Billy & Laz  ;letsparty;

Scrub that - i'm in  didn't see my own name  ;ashamed;

Thanks Ironside  :)up

rotflmfao

i aint in grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

but then again i didnt enter the draw

I know, how dozy am I  >:? >:?

Mis-read Scott?  rotflmfao

7th reserve, what's my chances??

Geo

Not sure.  I think people know more about APAT now, and so fewer will drop out than previously.

BUT, I was 69th on the reserve list for Brum and got a seat. 

I'd be fairly optimistic about getting a seat... ;hide;

Thanks Kin,

I remember seeing your post then. How many runners were there at Brum?

Geo

the draw for brum was all members this one is for only those that want to play

120.

80 were on the reserve list for that one.

Slightly  :D  catching the Tikay disease ...... ;tk;

furious, on neither list despite sending an e-mail! upset

You'll be wearing a hoodie next...

Well, I think at least one seat might be available to a reserve.  I put my name in the hat at the time I didn't think I would be able to make the blond bash, but now I really don't think I can justify or afford two poker weekends away in one month.  It's a shame, because I'd love the opportunity to play an APAT event and I know I was lucky to get picked, but really looking forward to BB4.  I shall have to give this some serious consideration over the next couple of days.

Funnily enough ...... ;)

Scott sent me a text when I was munching my McDonalds to say I got a seat.

;sark; DA DA DA DA DA,,,,,, I'm luvin it !!!!!!  ;sark;

bugger why didnt i try and play this event now its full of fish

good luck to you all

They'll NOT be running out of Baileys in Scotland then?

I'm in see you all up there OCH AYE the NUE ( wheres my spell checker)

I'm in!   ;yippee;

See you there.

Harmony got a seat, nice one honey.

See you Scotland people !

Despite bribing Des and the accountant, I'm not in! Ah well, there's always next time.

Im 35 on the reserve lis so if a 3rd of the field drop out i'll be laughing!!!!!

Nah dodnt think i can go either even if that did happen coz have same predicamnet as claw, i would rather save the pennies for BB4. Just cashed in the mansion so that my accomodation and main event and heads up entry paid for.

Good luck to all those who made the player list!

21st  on the reserve list...aint got a hope in hell.......grrrhhh...

You heading to the Blonde Bash Mark?

Add another Reserve that will get in

Sadly I will not be attending as it clashes with the Luton Spring Fest.

I'm gutted.

Shame you can't make it, but apologies if I don't shed any tears...that's another place nearer to a seat for me.

(What a selfish bunch of *******s poker players are).

I think the scheduling of the events will be better in the future as they'll be done much more in advance of the weekend.  See you at BB4 anyway.

25th on the reserve list  >:( >:(

is it just a case of waiting to see if you get an e-mail or could we get an update on drop-outs? As reserves would have to make arrangements should they get in.

Will update you on how many of the 130 do not pay by the deadline Eck

Out in tenerife just now and just found out i didnt even make the reserve list.Gutted ,guess im going to have to stand out inthe maybury car park and bribe loads of people.

GREAT I'm in!!! See you all in Jockland....can't wait!
 :cheers: ;yippee;

i didnt even know when your names had to be in.,.,gutted .,.,mind you a long way to go to be out first.,.,k8.,.,gl to those who are in its a great structure.,.,mind you i only seen 3 hands last time lol.,.,gl all.,.

Cheers Rich, what's the dropout rate been like if you don't mind me asking? if you don't want to or feel it's irrelevant in this case no probs.

Thanks again.

Its too early to say...less than 12 hours since the email went out


ask me Monday morning!

sorry wasn't clear there i meant in previous events

None of them have been done like this one (as far as I know).  Even Brum, which was based on a similar draw system was quite a bit different to this one.

So I'd expect fewer people to drop out than from any previous event, because this one's got fewer seats anyway and those who have been allocated seats were keen to get one in the first place.

When I got in to the Brum event, I was 69th in the reserve list, and still got a seat (120 runners originally).  I doubt it will get that far down the reserve list this time (in fact I don't think the reserve list goes this far this time).  However, I still think there'll be a fair few drop out for a variety of reasons.  The thought of Tikay in a hoodie being one.

I'll try next year ( unless i become a pro).......AHEM )

didnt enter the draw

gl all

i

That would reduce your chances...dramatically.

LOL


I tried one sat....


wot is the buy in  anyway?

£75

£100 if you're crap at satellites like me...

not got in or made the reserve list

Ok just paid mine, I almost forgot it was today to pay or lose the seat.

Do we know how many registered an interest in playing the event?

no ;)

just watching FT on apat thingy and Des said just over 400 i think

Yep - saw that too.

Think there were about 1,000 in the draw for Brum - which might be why so many dropped out and it went so far down the reserve list.

Hopefully at least 10 drop out this time.

every member was put in the draw from brum even if they lived in the USA

where as only the members that want to play edninburgh was entered this time

meaning only those that have illness or ther commitments come up or forget to make the payment will drop out

but the brum event many of the people who were picked didnt want a seat as they were proberly joined the APA for other reasons

That's what I meant.

Just to clarify....only members from the UK were entered for the event in Birmingham.  There wasn't a huge amount of science, but we did figure that one out!!

some of our close cousins from france etc might have been miffed

we are all going over there (or somewhere in europe) but they couldnt come here

infact we are all going to vegas but them there americans cant come over here

WIMPS the lot of them


what about the irish not in the UK?

damn, just realised that i'm supposed to be going to hampden on saturday 14th april to watch my friend play football, 1230 kickoff, might be exta time.

What time is the shuffle up and deal for the APAT? I'm guessing it's early afternoon?
can I turn up late and play a blinded off stack? (guessing 4pm as early as I can get there)
If not can I sell my seat to someone (at cost)? Or get a refund and give someone on the reserve list a chance?

I must invest in a diary !!!

I think you have to be seated for the start (betting legislation in the UK I believe :dontask:).  Someone who knows for sure will put me right.

yeah i heard of that re: ept london.

suxx :(

you can get refund and give reserve a chance

you cant sell it or you could try but the person wouldnt get in

the reserve would instead

Hi Dale,

Send a cancellation email to customer@apat.com, and a refund will be organised.

Regards,

Des.

thanks des, mail sent.

What time is kick off for the event?

Anyone else had issues setting up payment online, it just hangs for me? Have sent email to customer@apat.com, just wondered if any other blondes had had issues?

2.30pm sharp on day one and 2pm sharp on day two.  However we recommend you get there in plenty of time to register etc on day one.

Thanks to Des everything is fine now an I'm in can't wait

Update...for Eck and others


7 players gave their apologies and thus first 7 on reserve list got in, to date

7 apologies, does that mean the remainder have paid?   *clinging to straw*

Cheers Richard

no spaces at the mo, but the reserve list will remain open right up to the event

Just woke up from a kip,after traveling back on the red eye this morning from Florida.

To confirm what my son had told me..................................I'm not on the list,nor on the reserve list!!.

Good luck to all (Specily my old M8 Helen (Harmony) )......................Go get em girl.

If no one else drops out before the day of the event, will the existing reserve list be scrapped and an 'on the day' reserve list be created from people turning up on a first-come-first-served basis?

Another question.  When you say 7 gave their apologies, does that mean that the other 123 have paid their entry fee?  Or does it mean that you haven't heard from some yet?

Now all I need to do is find three people who are paid up and 'deal with them'... ;shame;

We tend to offer a new reserve list on the day....no point telling someone in Tamworth to get to Edinburgh on the morning of the event! The current reserve list will run to the night before

as to the 123, all paid I gather

Greetings, and welcome back sir !

Sorry you did not make the player list or the reserve list, but many thanks for your support of Helen my friend.

Get a nice tan ?

I will be...

Just wanted to congratulate TWO players from Cornwall Poker who have qualified for this event online:

Glenn Wisbey and William (Billy) Moore:

Well done guys and good luck:

I have just sent my apologies to Des, although it feels like condolences (GUTTED) because I am unable to attend the event.

So there is another place availabe.......Best of luck to whoever is going...

 ;reallyamsorry;

No offence, but...


Think that might mean I have a seat now.  :)up

Sorry you won't be there though.

I've also had to pull out. 

that must mean i'm almost there then ;)

gamekeeper turns poacher...

 ;karabiner;

See you in Edinburgh!!

:)up

WAHAY!!

                                  ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee; ;yippee;

Made it in

Look forward to meeting blondites in Edinburgh

I still have a room to share 90 quid for sat and sun night, pm me

Where were you on the reserve list mate? can't really work it out but guessing at 16th??

I'm in at 10th - so I guess it's gone down to 15th or so :dontask:

;whistle;

Maybe.... but i have only got to wait for 20 people to drop out now  ;frustrated; ;frustrated;

Might happen - you never know.  A lot might decide that Edinburgh is a bit too far for them to travel.

Sorry for the delay Kinboshi but yes I was 16th reserve

I think it was Eck who was asking - as he's still on the reserve list and hoping it gets to him...

See you in Edinburgh :)up

Cheers mate now only need to get by about another 9!!!

off to read up on "how to give food poisoning by telekinesis"  ;ifm;

i'm in ;)  see you in edinburgh

now got to find a cheap flight , wheres everybody staying?

:)up See you there!


Dewi's at the Marriot (I think), and me and the missus have booked a room at the Best Western - which is halfway between the airport and the city centre - which is where Michelle will be most of the time, spending money that I'll be trying to win.

Haven't seen any of the larger hotels for less than £70 a night for a double room.  Singles are cheaper.

If anyone finds a cheap place, post the details on here please!

Good luck all .I stay just round the the corner so will be there to support/ bok all the blondes. Just maybe some will pull out on the day and i will get a seat.

You'll all be glad to know.....I'M IN....wahoo......looking forward to drive up and another night in me car!!!!!

Nice one Mark!

See you up there :)up

you were 21st yeah?

this is getting close only 4 more!!

Any updates richard?

Yes Eck i was 21st on the list

thanks chief,  Tighty how is it looking is it any further than 21st?

Yea i was 12th on the reserve list and in :) 

The 24th reserve has told me he now can't make it

Cheers Mel,

beginning to look good, didn't fancy my chances at all being 25th reserve for a field of 130.

A further round of offers will go out this evening  I will not know how many until 9pm (when the
previous offers expire). 

24 reserves in out of such a small field i think this goes to show that the first to pay works a little better IMHO

no idea how many reserves were used in newcastle and cardiff ( i know it was a few) but doubt it was 20% of those registered

i think the draw just makes more work for the organisers and in the end it will be mainly the same people getting in

Im actually starting to believe that i might get in! Im 35th on reserve, lost £400 on cash the other night though so probably means i wont be able to go, need to get good tonight and tomoz me thinks if im to go to BB4, APAT and pay fot the missus bday

Agree with you there Ironside. So many reserves are being offered a spot....goes to show that even those drawn, who put themselves in the draw aren't going. First come, first served perhaps. Sure APA will keep trying different options until one works fo the majority.

Come on King POker...need your chips!!!

The thing with the first come, first serve thing was it gives some people NO chance of going. My first event was Cardiff, I wanted to go to Newcastle but the draw was 8pm on some evening where I was playing a live tournament, so I couldnt be sat at the computer :S

Pfft, wouldn suprise me if we're drawn on the same table again! With only 120 runners or so this apat will be a nice little one for all the top point scorers!


But as i have said before its the same if you want tickets to a gig or a festival, if you dont get in when the phone lines open or when they go on sale on the net, you miss out. If you wanna go enough you will be there fot the 8pm registartion.

i was out of the country playing in a live comp the night of the draw for newcastle too but i managed to sort out getting online at the time of the clickfest
the other option is to speak to a friend or realitive to do it for you

It's not the fairest way though.  If someone is away for the weekend the seats go on sale - they can't get in.  Full stop (although with any allocation method, there's always a way to get in - see below).

With the draw, at least it's fair.  With only 130 seats, and 20(?) going to satellite qualifiers, there was always going to be people disappointed.  If people want to drop out, then that's what the reserve list is for.

The tickets for Cardiff sold out in 6 minutes.  So there were lots of people who wanted to take up the 220 seats (or however many there were) who missed out.  15 people were still able to turn up on the day and get a seat though.  If you really want to play, you can.  For the Scottish event, just turn up at 9am in the morning and queue.  You'll be at the front of the reserve list on the day.  Can't be bothered?  Well, that's fair enough.  A friend of mine missed out on a seat for Cardiff (couldn't get through to buy a ticket before they were gone) - was then on a reserve list, but no luck there.  Undeterred, he drove over from Essex to Cardiff, and queued. He was there early doors and made sure he got a seat. 

know what your saying Rich....but seems that the draw thing, may not have worked/been the best option due to the number of reserves that are now being used. Dont get me wrong, i think the draw was a fair option, i was disapointed not being drawn, but it's a fair way of drafting everyone. After the first event in Brum there was loads of posts re everyones opinion in what they thought was the best way of drafting players. The APA is an evolving organisation, so i think trial and error will proceed until a general selection process has been tried and works....for the majority.

Maybe the best way then is even more satellite qualifiers then?! just think first come, first serve aint the best...i mean websites can struggle when demand gets high. then again if i had missed out on the satellites this time round id be bitter and not be saying 'more satellites' ::)

I managed to bubble on one sat, and was near the bubble on another, and failed miserably in the other.   Still think they are a very valid way of providing some of the seats (and some travel expenses for the winners too).

Not everyone plays online though, and these are live events - so a combination of some live and some online sats like there were for this one (so I guess there were 30 seats via sats?) is probably fair.

Well I hope you are all on my table :)  I like fun energy tables with good craic and a few beers
Looking forward to it xx

Exactly, if you want it enough you will find a way around it. I dont see how its fair for the draw myself. No other poker tournament in the world is done like this. Im not bitter bout missing the scottish one because in truth i wouldnt have been able to sign up for it at the time anyway so i dont belive a clickfest is the best way for me to get in, just the fairest! Today, just about everyone is using broadband and everybody has the same amount of numbers and information on your bank card to enter so there is no unfairness. Im not a fast typer and got in to the welsh one so thats not an excuse either!

Thst's about the sum of it.

Of course, the root of the problem is two-fold.

1) The added value & player-friendly atmo, comined with an affordable entry fee & a deep stack, makes it a huge attraction to many. That ain't gonna change!

2) Venue Capacity - well, Season Two gives us far greater scope, not just by bigger Venues coming on stream (I can think of 2 @ 400+, & 1 at 300+), but combined with other inititives such as Live Regional Qualifiers.

As you say, we are evolving, so Season Two will address these problems, & we are working hard right now to improve the capacity situation for Season Two.

For those that were unlucky in the draw &/or clickfests, we are sorry, but we did our best to be fair to all.

How's it the fairest?  If your connection goes down, you are ill (or a family member is) that evening, then you're buggered.

The draw allows everyone who's interested to enter the draw over a period of time. 

KP, even if it doesn't get as far down as you on the reserve list (which it might well do), if you travelled up and made sure you were the first one there on Saturday morning you'd get a seat.  Hell of a long way to go, but it's perfectly feasible.

Other poker tournaments aren't done like this - quite true.  There were plently of people who wanted to play in the EPT in Copenhagen who couldn't buy their way in as the seats had all been allocated so quickly (those Scandies again!).  So people missed out - that's how it goes. 

It might not be the best for those really keen to play in every APAT event, but the draw is the FAIREST.  All who want to play have an equal chance.

Tikay - more people can play these cheap buy-in, deep-stack events this season than they could last season.

;D

Because i dont honestly believe that the people who are dying to go are these people in the draw. I mean seriously how many people dropped out after signing up through the clickfest. 5/6 maybe? already over 24 (i think) people have dropped out after being drawn.
Fair enough some maybe be down to health reasons or the likes but its mainly due to the fact they cant be arsed too and that annoys me.
Thats why i like clickfests, you pay your money there and then and are committed, if i miss out i miss out but at least the people who have signed up to actually want to play.

Edit- to avoid any confusion i dont mean the people on the list now!!! I mean the general majority of people who decided to email in and say they wanted their name in the draw!

Poker's a game of incomplete information - maybe we could do a crossword to get a seat

Far more than 5 or 6 dropped out for Cardiff.  Like I said, 15 got in on the day itself, not taking into account any who were replaced earlier.

Like I said, it doesn't help those who are the most keen to play.  But it is the FAIREST for all. 

There's an argument that those who have entered every event get a seat for the next one.  The counter argument would be that those people should step aside and let others who haven't managed to play yet get priority.  Each argument has its merits.

Sounds like regional qualifiers and the like next season, which means more live events, and more local ones without the additional travel expenses, etc.  This sounds like a great idea - as long as the regional qualifiers are decent stack tourneys and not luck-fests that aren't representative of what makes the APAT events so appealing to players like me (no, not fish - serious recreational players without huge bankrolls).

Be interesting to see if the APAT events at DTD are going to be full to capacity.  It's going to hold about 500 I believe (might be wrong, but I'm sure it was 50 tables, plus the 'special' table). 

I just think with just about everything in life, it should be first come first served and my opinion will never change, doesnt mean its the right opinion, just my own!
Surely in the big grand debate of poker LUCK vs SKILL, the clickfest is the SKILL one so should be supported by the poker players  ;D
Regional qualifiers would be a great idea and i cant even imagine what it would be like to play at DTD with 499 other players!!! Awesome.

personally i hate the regional quaifier route as alot of people like to go with there mates so if only 1 or 2 get in group a group of 5 or 6 they they might not go
also regions like the highlands (wont be able to play live sats in the highlands as the councill wont give a liecence) will be grouped in with the central belt of scotland where it will take some of us longer to get to and just as much expense as teh amin event when we would be playing fr a £75 seat

direct buy ins always has to be an option IMHO

There you go, three different Posters in a row with three different views as to the best solution!

Now you see our problem......

Typically, it's an Englishman, a Scot, & a Welsh bloke.....

You are answering your own question guys. There is no "perfect way" to allocate seats. What I am slightly confused about is why people are worried about "drop-outs" for Edinburgh. At the end of the day you are going to end up with the first 120 (forgetting qualifiers for a second) who WANT to play playing no matter where they were on the list. I personally think Regional qualifiers would be a great addition. And that is coming from someone who has to travel 2 hours to his nearest casino!!! It would also guarentee a nice spread of people from around the country for each event, whcih could create a healthy competitive atmosphere, with guys supporting each other from the same arera. Also with regards to accomodation etc... At the end of regionals you would know who from your area was definately in and so could organise shared travel and accomdation there and then cutting down on costs of the event for the players.

Good post.

but what about those of us who would be further than 2 hours from a casino who would have to spend £200+ to win a £75 seat

Have an online one for the Highlands!!!

Move house or get a 1 litre turbo smart car

I qualified through the satelite and I genuinely really wanted to go, unfortunately for me, I am going to see Liverpool on the Wednesday, Aintree Races on the Thursday and have a meeting scheduled all day the Friday before the tournament in Scotland. I am a Father and a Husband and have to balance it all, and I dont think it would of been fair on my wife and kids for me to go away for the weekend.

I dont feel I have to explain my reasons to anyone, but just showing that things crop up that sometimes you have to change things. People may not be able to go for a wide variance of reasons, and I think that we should respect these decisions.

As Tikay said, 3 people, 3 different solutions. You will not please all the people all of the time, but they are pleasing most of the peopl most of the time. IMHO that will do nicely..

For me regional qualifiers are not good. If you have a particularly large amount of memebers in one area, it would be unfair on these members. Or would the seats be divided up pro-rata per entrants/per region. This would be fair, but would be a nightmare to sort out.

Click fest for me means that the people who want to go the most will be online at the time of the clickfest (even putting of going to parties till 8.30), although there are exceptions to this and every possible solution.

Keep up the good work.....

PS> I am gutted about not being able to go to Edinburgh......Although on the 14th of April, there will be a record number of low entrants in the online qualifier...Which is a massive benefit to us who cannot go to Edinburgh.... Better chance of winning one of those nice medals.... Which is what I really want.. Anyone want to sell one. LOL

Lol liked that last line, IMO the acclocation should be thus.

10% Seats allocated by online satellites
5%   Live satellites carried out in the hosting casino
85% On a first come first served online registartion process

Sorted!!!! Which im sure is roughly what the will hill was. I really dont see a problem in this format!!!!!

I have no problem with the draw system.As kinboshi says it does give other people a chance to play in these great events.What does slightly worry me is my friend joined apat only to play the scottish event and got a seat,he never plays in the online events and says he has no intention in playing any other live events.Now this slightly pi**ed me off as i treked all the way down to newcastle and cardiff,and i have played in 80% of the on line tournaments ,yet i cant even get on the reserve list for my home tournament .Or maybe its just sour grapes.

mr flying pig we all know somethings cant be helped as you discribed

i also had to pull out of cardiff and only a coupe of days before due to

illness, live quailfiers should be an option as long as its not the only option

as for online qualifers for the more remote users dont be silly

some of us like the apat events as we dont like online play

online and live poker are 2 different games

The only problem I have with this discussion is that people seem to be under the impression that no one has a life away from poker (I can hear the gasps now! FROM PASTY FACED POKER PLAYERS EVERYWHERE!) APAT is for amatuers (ie: people who do not play full time and have a life away from the game!) So obviously things crop up in peoples lives they were not expecting, a car might break down and need £400 of repairs, guy cant now go to Edinburgh. Work may demand you go in and that has to come first. Your kids may be taken ill and you need to be there for them. Things and situations change daily and so someone who had every intention of going may have to drop out. Its not the end of the world and someone is there to take their place.

I agree that regionals should be on a pro-rata basis. Lets say they put an entry fee of £15 on. then for every 5 places you get one place up for grabs. Problem solved  

nobody is saying things dont crop up

but as far as i am aware newcastle and cardiff had a much lower % of people not able to make it

mainly due IMHO with the fact they pay to get on the list

then they get refund if they cant make it

wheras with a draw people enter then

when they are asked for money decide its not for them

which is alot more work for the APAT staff and

means that members on the reserve list are in limbo

they have no idea how many might dropp out

they cant book travel as there is a chance they wont be on list

and they wont make alternate plans for that weekend while tehre is a chance of the apat game

Hang on.....theres an online event on the Sat of the live event????? is that fair?????!?!??!!!?

yes

UH OH..i feel a moan coming on!!

Right last time im gonna go off on one,

The draw is a ridiculous way of allocating seats, im dont play poker to care about other people, if im that keen to play live then i can play in a casino tourney which i do, and just because APAT has amateur in it it doenst mean it shouldnt follow the pro toruney entry guidelines. As i have said on here before i wouldnt turn up to a casino and demand we do a draw for the seats just because other people had got there first and filled up the spaces.
Why cant we just do it like every casino, ticket sales operator and poker tournament organiser does and stick to a first come first served basis!?!
The mind boggles!

Guys at APA, is the online event on the 14th going to remain even though there's an live event the same weekend??

MOST concerts  etc etc are first come first serve but not all
live8 was a draw for example

u hope so i have been planning that weekend for months now

If I do as well as I did in Cardiff, I'll be playing the online one as well...

I 'm just happy it's in Edinburgh so you can destroy my house!...I'll see if I can pop over that weekend. I am assuming players not eligible to play can still come around and make fun of Kinboshi?

No that event will be postponed until the following weekend as we will not run parallel ranking events.

By the way - some people weren't listening to what I was saying.

The draw for seats is the FAIREST way to allocate seats to everyone on an equal chance basis.

I'm not saying it's the BEST way to decide who takes part though.  Fairest isn't always the best.

Micky - what you are saying about people only playing their local APAT event - I think that's natural.  As Sharkey mentioned, we are all amateurs.  It's a bit of fun, a chance to win a fair amount of cash and a seat in a major event that otherwise we'd never play (other than through online qualifiers of course).  But there are more important things in life, and it's bound to be more attractive to people who can pop over to a local casino - play a two-day tourney for £75 (unless you donk out early like me), and not have to worry about travel, hotels, etc.

Jimmy - don't suppose you've got any spare tickets for the PSV match?  Funnily enough, I can get one for the first leg but not for the second.  I'll just have to make sure I can go to the semi-final...;D

I'm there to be an object of ridicule for all.  I'll even let you buy me a drink or two - I'm good like that.

Looks like I'll be leaving the JCB at home then.  Maybe next time...

Cheers Des, glad to hear....

APAT does care about its members and reserves the right to trial various entry methods until we find a formula that works. 

Personally, I dislike the member draw, but it was almost certainly a better alternative than selling out Gala Maybury in under 60 seconds - which was a real possibility. 

So in three events APAT has trialled direct buy in, member draw, live sats, online sats and combinations of each.   If you've had fun with those combinations, just wait until you see what APAT has planned for one of our later events this season!   

;scarymoment;

i reckon its gonna be musical chairs.............on ice!

Keep going, I'm writing this down......

Des, I have to say I think this is unfair. I always thought it would be fairer if the weekend of the Live Events, an Online event should take place. This would allow people who never got seats in the Live tourney a chance to gain some points.

It has been said on many occasions that the people who get a seat in the live events have the chance to gain more points than those who don't, and this would be a good way to redress the balance. Every member would have acces to thereabouts the same number of points per buy in..

Obviously £75 entry fee should have more points, but this is an excellent of balancing the accessibilty to points.. What do points make.... Prizes,.....

Fairer for all...

I ask you to re-consider this decision for all future occasion, including this one.....

Look forward to your reply Des.

Mass brawl.  Last one standing.

Hi Jimmy,

From a pure practical point of view alone, a live event takes all of our available resources and it is simply not possible to run two events at the one time.

There are numerous reasons why we allocate 18 points in live events and 9 points in online events.  For example, there are many more online tournaments, for online specialists to score points in, and winning a live event over two days demands over twenty hours of face to face play, in comparison with a five hour online event played from the comfort of your home.

To my knowledge, this will be the only example of a schedule clash during season one and it was unavoidable due to casino availability in April.

Regards,

Des.

.....on ice.....with Simon Cowell as TD.  Now we are cooking!

Des,

I undestand the amount of hard work you guys put into the Live events and I know that you have no spare capacity on them weekends, but the online events run themselves. Pokerstars will do the rest for you... Cannot understand that one...I know that you rail the events, but the event could still run...

It is still showing as scheduled on the website, and it is something that yoursleves have known about for a while. I took comfort in this fact, when I knew I could not play in the live tourney, and I am sure it was for many other members. It would make those who never got a seat, a less bitter feeling, and a fair chance to win an unbelievable prize..... Come on Des, you know it makes sense....

It would be fairer to members who never got a seat, a chance to win some points that they never got a chance to win by failing to get a seat.

Do you not think that is fair.

The prize at the end of the schedule is a huge prize, and if say a member has tried for all 3 live events so far, and been unsuccesful, they have lost out on the chance of winning a massive 54 points (unfair in the big picture). This way would allow them the chance to win some points, that the people who are playing live cannot play in....

Note - The South American Poker Open ; Is still showing live on stars, and IMHO it should stay that way.

Always one to put there 10p in......Jim.....as points leader....gotta disagree with you....See your point...and from a pratical point i would agree with it, but all those people that attend the live event will miss out on playing online and a possible 9 points. Understand what your saying about the 3 x live events and total points....but i would say that the majority who take part try to play all if not most of the online events and try to make all the live events. It would be unfair to those attending the live event to play the online event and they in turn then miss out on this opportunity.

Obviously everone will have there view...but say for instance the online event went ahead and i missed the chance to play for a possible 1-9 points, then missed out on the prize at the end by one point i would have a pretty god arguement....or moan!!

Just think it's easier to only run one event at a time... i mean $20 for a few hours work a decent return and 9 points is a far better return than £75 and 2 days work!

Des.....im thinking standing bingo......or strip poker...plenty of lady applicants though!!!

I'll be the last one standing if it's strip poker.  Everyone else will have run off...:dontask:

On the contrary Jimmy, I think it could be unfair.  

Every event - live or online - starts with each member having the same chance to participate, within APAT's ability.  It's true, some gain entry and some do not, but they each start with the same chance via direct buy in, member draw or satellite.  

In this scenario 130 APAT members would not be able to enter that specific round of the online series as a result of APAT scheduling.  

While I think it is far from ideal, I can accept that luck can impact the rankings.  

However, I do not think APAT should knowingly impact our members ability to take part through scheduling conflict.  

Regards,

Des.

How about doing it like the canonball run everyone has to make their own way there but by odd modesof transport the best forms off transport win!

MAte, plenty of room mate.....but my rates aren't cheap!!! You can have the front seat!

I nearly took that line out before posting as i thought i would sound like a right bazza! But im not being that way, its just poker is an individual, highly competetive sport and thats why i love it. Im not worried when im signing up for an event being it APAT or any other and worry about barry (Hope noone is called barry on here) from ipswich hasnt got in the last 2 tourneys he has entered. Thats not my concern as he had as much of a chance to get in as i did on the clickfest. If my computer went down during registration (which it did for a minute in the cardiff apat clickfest) and i didnt manage to get in then it wasnt meant to be and move on. I wouldnt moan, complain or blame anyone just wait for the next one.
If i wanted to go through a random draw process i would play bingo or the lottery.
I definately agree with you des on the draw being right for the gala as you mentioned it would be registration would take less than a minute but please oh please dont use it in the bigger runner tourneys next year.

Looks like there is even more value on offer.    :hello:

:)up  Nice one fella!!

I think this is the concisest representation of my thinking on the allocation process on this thread.

I can see that a draw pretty much has to be used for any small capacity event, but when this isn't an issue I don't see any place for random allocation like this.

The only addition to the percentages above (for the second season and onwards) would be 1 seat to invite the current champion back to defend their title.

I agree 100% Jon. and i think this will happen in APAT. I mentioned it to Des at Cardiff and he welcomed the idea.

EVERY main event from a sponsored  festival should reward the winner with an expensed package to defend his title, The Irish open do it, but they are the only ones who do as far as i know.

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Is the blind structure going to be different from Cardiff, due to their being almost half the chips?

No, we have no plans to change the Blind Structure or the Clock for the Scottish Event. We shall aim, as always, to finish at a respectable time on Sunday evening so that folks can get home, & be at work the next day.

Anyone know whats on in the Gala on the Friday night?

Its usually the tenner rebuy

cheers teacake, see yous nex week

Wonders why Kinboshi is keen on previous winners getting automatic entry to defend their title :)up

Can you blame him for wishing thus?!

See u saturday morning guys and gals and I'm on form, chopped 3 tournaments in last 2 weeks ;)

;D

Liverpool were given the right in the Champions League - only seems fair otherwise the tournament is devalued... ;whistle;

They'll be no chopping in the APAT events.  You should know better!

 ;tracet;

I haven't been on here often but I'm in the APAT on Saturday so hopefully meet a few of you there.  I'm the teeny wee Scottish bird. 

Don't know how many more of those there will be though.

Good luck everyone.

See you there DAN DAN, big fat fish

see you there. I'll be the teeny wee scottish guy...

 ;cheerleader;

thats Laz ..on the left. He is a big Rangers fan.

you may want to check back your records, but I think you will find that the last person who posted that photo hasnt been around here much recently...

LOL .... i cant delete it Lazarangers ...soz.

i kida like it infact its my new avatar ty kiv

Nice meeting you on the table dewi, brief as it was.  See you Saturday.  Hope I play better then.  No drink till out of tourney lmao so I'll be sober all weekend then.

I'm a big (wee) Rangers fan.

lol after all my debating about the drawing of seats i have just been offerered a place.

lol, well see you there then.

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See you at the weekend then fella :)up

Cant make it now anyway, too late of a notice for me, shame coz this should be a nice little points scorer!

my GF had to pull out of APAT today so another seat up for grabs

 :'( 

You have to finish in the top 18 to score points...:dontask:





;D

No smoking in the casino.. how will I cope?

Looking forward to the Tourney on Saturday, hoping to meet a few "Blondes!" Please say hello if you recognise me from The "mug" shot (see left)
Good luck all.

I'll be going Lee, there's a £10 rebuy on Fridays.

Geo

 ;)

No probs mate, unfortunately Iron is on bed rest and can't make it.

I was infantry with the Royal Jocks (pre amalgamation)

Geo

i should be fit in time for the bash if you guys are going

Can't commit at this time, juggling too many tasks, but will try my damndest, let you know soonest and maybe travel down together.

Stay safe

Geo

i will be flying from aberdeen or inverness so proberly not be that easy to travel down together

I'll turn up later when my own tourney is finished - just to rail the Blonde/OfficePoker players.
I'll be hanging around with the black "Officepoker" polo shirt, wishing I was involved and trying damn hard to stay off the craps table....

All the very best folks!

hows things neil, have you made the move yet to the other stanley casino? maybe come through for ur next tourney

cheers

Just arrived at the hotel, only 61/2 hours to get here

Only 6 hours - that was quick  ;whistle;

Try taking the hand brake off dewi.

And £15 a day for internet access ;grr;

Well you will insist on taking your partner.

I know how long it should take, I did stop twice and had two major hold ups in traffic, come on!!


Good thing is I can see the casino from the hotel

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Good thanks Davie - not yet but will let you know - you playing this weekend at Maybury?

na im not a member of APAT yet. ill propably be playing the £10 bingo game at the stanley through here. see you through in eninburgh sometime soon. or if you fancy it the 4 man team event through here? its on the 3rd of may will be a good game £200 per team

Just reg at Gala Maybuy there is a 10£ rebuy on tonite 500 starting chips and 25/50 blinds, im on tinternet, good luck top all the blondes and APAT memebrs i met over there

Yeah I read about that, but I'm taking a week off with wife and kids so will be away when that's on.

Good luck to you and your team.

glorious are there still places in your tournament because i am just going to the apat on the off chance of there being some one crying off.It would only be a taxi acroos town if it looked like i was'nt getting a seat.Im sure a few others would be in the same boat.

I'd get there for first thing in the morning and queue.  Worked for people in Cardiff and at the previous events.  Get there early and get your name down at the front of the 'on the day' queue.  This means you'll get the places of anyone who calls off on the day.

:)up

Not strictly correct. They have an area called "The Air Lounge" where you can smoke. It has no ceiling or roof, basically it's an open area with 3 walls &  heater. And no alcohol is allowed in the "Air Lounge".

I have just arrived at The Marriott, & once I've cleared my e-Mails & PM's, I'll come & have a nightcap with you guys, either in The Marriot Lounge, or across the road at the Gala Maybury. Mine's an Ovaltine, please.

Please note also that the Event will be covered by TV, for a new Poker Magazine show, that is planned to air on both Sky Sports & Sky Poker. More news about that, soon.

After a late night I got up at 05:00am (suprising fresh), sat in Birmingham airport right now waiting for the Flybe flight. Must say somewhat excited!!

Anyone else staying in the Hilton Hotel at the Airport?

Good luck to all Blondes!! :)up

i am not up for the Scottish APAT, but good luck to all the Blondes taking part.
 ;applause;

Yep and you're very welcome to come down - you got all the details?

I can give you a lift back up to Maybury after as well if you need it.

I'll PM you my moby.

Is it the stanley in leith?.Do i have to be a member of office poker to play.

Yes and no.

Check here:

http://www.officepoker.net/welcomeinfo14april.html

http://www.stanleycasinos.com/site/Home/Casinos/LeithCascades.aspx

PM sent.

Hope you can make it.

Well Ladida Mr Kendall...Travellodge not good enough for some, is it? ;)

Seriously have fun guys. I might travel up to Edinburgh tomorrow if my GF is going to see the in-laws there and stop by to rail some of you guys..and laugh and point at Kinboshi ;)

 :'(







(Buy me a beer, and you can laugh and point as much as you want! ;D)