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As any APATERS on blonde will confirm I am a keen APATER and have supported APAT events as much as I can over the last 3 years. It can be a costly business, especially if you don’t attain a decent result (APAT or otherwise) over the season. I don't intend for this thread to be a discussion on the merits or otherwise of APAT, either you get it or you don't.

My commitment to some of these events has seen me travel to Nationals without a seat, prepared to turn up very early and get on the alternates list (which I have never failed to do) and on one occasion actually camping out in Cardiff for 3 nights to keep costs down to play the event.

Season 4 has been announced and what a cracker it is. I intend to participate in at least 4 and, depending on finances, up to 6 of the live events and of course the blonde bash in May. These I will be funding myself and will use up most of my resource.

http://www.apat.com/forum/index.php?topic=5149.0

So what am I looking for?

Am looking for full backing for the 11 online events as listed:
Online Championship:  Eleven Championship events with a $50 buy in, each with added GUKPT seats for the winners.

In total $550 (there are no reg fees for these events) It would be good to get one backer but willing to offer 10% chunks at $55.

ONLINE CHAMPIONSHIP

1 day events - $50 buy in (main events)  - Saturdays @ 8pm

27/2 - Welsh Online Championship – Betfair

27/3 - United Kingdom Online Championship - Betfair

1/5 - Central European Online Championship - Betfair

22/5 - Scottish Online Championship - Betfair

3/7 - Northern European Online Championship – Betfair

23/7 - World Online Six Max Championship - Betfair

25/7 - World Online Poker Championship – Betfair

14/8 - Irish Online Championship - Betfair

2/10 - English Online Championship - Betfair

6/11 - European Online Championship - Betfair

11/12 - Southern European Online Championship – Betfair

I am asking for full staking on a 70/30 basis. This includes should I play well enough to gain a seat in any GUKPT event and any profit that may be gained from this.

Added incentives:

Should I play well enough to gain a piece of this:

Sponsorship Packages:  The winner of the Professional League will win a £20,000 APAT sponsorship package for 2011.  In addition, the winners of the Online and National Amateur Rankings will join the 17 Amateur Champions from season four and the player with the most points finishes across Amateur and Online events, to compete in the APAT Champions Final, to play for a second APAT £20,000 sponsorship package in 2011.  This event will be held in February 2011 and venue details will be announced closer to that time.

Then an added incentive would be 20% of any winnings from this to also go to any backer/s. I would also be offering 20% of any winnings gained from any live APAT events that I attend.

The sticky bit:

I haven’t really played that much online, mostly blonde comps and the odd game now and then so don’t have a worthwhile OPR to put up. I have played the odd staked comp for blondes with mixed results, a couple of small cashes for Pab and recently a nice $400 return for Blatch in a $5 Double A event 4th place finish on FTP.

I have had a few successes live mostly in £50-£100 tourneys:

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=100170

As well as those recorded I have won 2 £100 Scottish poker festival events in Edinburgh and a £100 side event in the old GCBPT and during the APAT European event weekend at Luton took down the £150 Sunday event for £2500.

I also had a successful individual performance during the European Team event as part of the Scottish Team during this weekend.

I believe my live game especially has improved over the last year.

As previously stated, it would be good to get one backer (mostly for ease of admin) but would welcome any lesser interest in 10% chunks.

Will probs be looking for bank transfer as am unsure if player transfer is available on betfair poker and chances are not many will have a poker account there as yet.

Thanks for reading.............................flame away

Geo

20% pls Geo.

GL with this. Should sell pretty quick.

10% please if the payouts are std betfair tourny payouts rather than flat APAT live one

Just to confirm mate for my $110 I will also get a 20% share of 20% of any live winnings you get from APAT events?

Is that correct?

Ill take the rest pls

Told you :)

Good luck mate. Hopefully see you at a few of the live events.

gimme 10% pls fish

You want to buy some shares of a ruthless trader?

This could get expensive.....

Well done Geo


For the record I think you are +EV in these, and so it seems do some good judges. And Cos.

Nope

I've never played against Geo so can't comment on EV but he's a nice guy who's put together an excellent proposal. I'd want a chunk if he was as bad at poker as Hopkin. The fact he is +EV is a bonus

Well said sir. Agree 100%

Well possibly not if he was as bad as Hopkin......

Wow, stunned guys, much appreciated on the quick response.

Can I confirm

Evilpie -20%
Redsimon -10%
Blatch - 70%

I will pm details for transfer.

Matt - yes 20% of any future profits from non online series split between the backers.

Redsimon - I believe it will be the standard Betfair payout.

Appreciate if you could all post your confirmation.

I will update this thread during each event.

Geo

well done geo.. Good luck.. I wish I could have been quick enough to get a bit as I cant play the events myself.

Good luck to you and your backers..

Ummmmm confirmed 70% for $385???

Just wanna check what were getting so were all clear: -

70% of any cashes in the online series?
20% of any cashes if you bink a GUKPT added main event seat?
20% of any cashes if you bink the £20k sponsorship package?

Just like to add that im very keen on this staking as Geo is top guy and a lot of people have good things to say about him.  I also really like the fact he has clearly spent a bit of time putting the proposal together.

Now lets ship mad onezzzzz please :)

confirmed pm me bank stuff oand ill ship sterling equiv of $55

many thanks mate and with your golden dimes behind us I'm confident we can be +EV

Geo

PM sent guys.

Again, much appreciated

Geo

GL Geo, sounds like a good investment to me

I missed out because I was playing football. sigh.

Good luck with Geo - top bloke. Looking forward to catching up this season.


Yes it was strange saying goodnight as you turned left into the bushes and I carried straight on to the HI Express!  rotflmfao

Best of luck with this Geo and Stakers,top man glglgl

Damn sorry I missed out on this cuz woulda took u for the whole lot.

Gr8 that you got a response so quickly xx

Incase you have forgot sir

$2800>$55

Good work Geo, and good luck to you and the backers. 

You didn't mention in your well thought-out proposal that you often run as good as Blatch online with your outdraws, so added valooo there too!!

:D

 ;goodluck;

IMO thats just greedy and unfair to me and cos who wanted a piece

Ban IMO

Yeah i know, gutted!

:)

Confirmed recd mate. 1st one tonite at 8 on betfair

Geo

Why is it greedy and why is it unfair?

GL with this Geo.

Tks Joe.

Geo

Welsh online:


Bit frustrating, win the odd pot, lose the odd pot.

Had 8 small to med pp in 1st hour and not once hit the flop.

almost first break, just below starting. Long way to go

Geo

Just seen this thread.

Best of luck with this Geo.  A very well presented offer.

+1

gl mate

 ;iagree; Best of Luck

How did you get on Geo?

Private information for stakers only Cos.

Sorry.

Lol

I will post a report for each one.

Preparing one for the weekend just gone, should be up tonite/tomorrow, unless of course the backers would prefer it only gets sent to them.

I'm intending to also include some spots that I found myself in for feedback for future tourneys. Apart from the software not being the greatest, I can't determine how to get HH from the tourneys. Under preferences I ticked the send  HH and it gave me a pathway within my C:/ but I can't find anything, any help on this would be appreciated.

Geo

If you can find a way to let everyone see them except Cos my life would be complete.

Thx

Welsh Online Championship

All APAT online championships are 10k deepstack tourneys, which suit me, the majority of my wins have been in deepstack tourneys so was looking forward to the first of the series.

Tourney started and the only 2 players I recognised at the table were Rupinder and Stu Oliver. With Rupinder at the table I knew there would be a bit of action as he can be aggressive and especially in the early levels of a deepstack I like to play a bit more aggressively. Sure enough the early levels seen most of the play between Rupinder, myself and a player with the username Marmite.

Marmite was by far the most aggressive of us all, continually raising pre, re- popping raises and generally bullying the table. I would push back in the odd spot with a strong holding but generally he would show the goods or hit the draw.

A typical example:

15/30 level – On the Button holding QJ marmite raises to 64 and I flat BB calls
Flop  Qd, Ts, 5d
BB checks marmite bets 140 and I raise to 470.25. BB folds and Marmite calls.
Turn  2d
Marmite checks – I check (I would usually bet out here probs 1/2 to 3/4 pot)
River  Js
marmite bets 2,000 and I fold

The near double pot bet flummoxed me tbh and wasn’t convinced that he wasn’t drawing but for some reason didn’t pull the trigger.

As mentioned earlier, within the first hour I picked up about 8 small to medium pocket pairs but each time the flop would run out A K 10/KQx sort of style with others betting out, or if unopened I’d pop in a bet to try to take it only to be raised or flatted and a bet following the turn.

Another hand that I ended up letting go was:

On 75/150 level I pick up Qc, Ks in 2nd posn and I raise to 525 marmite calls
Flop Qs, 7c, 4d
I bet 956.25 marmite raises to 2,100 and I call, I’m actually feeling 10 10 – JJ here, does he really reraise here with AQ or a set?
Turn As – I check and marmite bets 3,000 – I fold

Was I ever ahead before the turn?

I slipped back to 7.5k, which I wasn’t too worried about as this is quite common for me due to my style in the deepstacks. I tightened up for a bit and gradually got back up to about 11k. We then returned to more of the same, semi decent hands, raising or flatting only to be called or reraised and when choosing to see a flop, hitting nowt and being betted/reraised off.

Exit hand:

150/300 level
SB and I pick up pocket tens
Marmite in 3rd posn  raises to 600 and I reraise to 1,750 ish
Marmite shoves for 27k and I call for my last 6.5k
He shows KK and its good game me.

At the time I’m really feeling that his shove is AK/AQ.

Marmite went on to win the tourney and I learnt by reading the APAT thread that it was in fact Steve Bayliff.  Having seen Steve at past APAT events, If I had known previously I’d probably have pushed back a bit more often. Not knocking his game, but know that he would have been chancing his arm in a few of the earlier skirmishes.

I am now compiling a list of Apaters’ betfair usernames so I know as much as possible who I’m sitting with in future tourneys. I finished 118 of 144 but am confident this will be my lowest finish and I do have the win in me over the series.

Constructive criticism welcome.

Geo

Mistake here is raising flop Geo. Hand is hard to play OOP and you don't want to inflate the pot here.

nothing wrong with this last hand Geo

button not oop cos

Need to know what both your stack sizes are here. Don't think I'm folding though. I prob raise his bet on turn or call and call again

understood mate.

my thinking here is that I expect a bet from marmite however his betsize is such that if I flat call the BB is priced in and I don't really want the BB in, is this wrong?

The 3rd diamond made me pause but as noted I would generally bet here.

Geo

I was on about 7.5k at that time, he woulda been about 14-15k

Geo

Don't know if it's a bad way to play the hand but in an APAT comp against anyone who isn't Bedi/Evilpie/Blatch in an APAT tourney I'm moving in here. His line is like nuts (set) or nothin imo.

Geo just to check are u SB this hand yeh? Think I may have got confused.

No, Im button sb folds and BB calls.

Geo

Any joy in event two last night?

Only just seen this...how were you EVER folding here. I had also clocked that marmite was a player (also found out it was Steve after the game) You answered ur own question...he was aggresive..in lots of pots so of course he is going to represent the flush. I am flat calling here every time.

Didnt realise you were being staked Geo ....GL hunny x

We'll he's not beating sets, AK or flushes so I doubt Mr Marmite is betting 2x pot with any worse hand for value. It's nuts or nothing so I don't hate a laydown.

This. I pass.

Steve is aggressive but he is also tighter than you would think, can't see what you are beating here tbh,

Thanks for the replies guys.

For the stakees, I've been working flat out for the last couple of weeks due to tax year end (and extra easy pennies.) Will complete a report for the 2nd event in the next couple of days.

Geo

That'll do for me mate. Onwards and upwards for the next one. GLGL

I dont hate the laydown either but if you are in the pot with QJ and hit 2 pair on the turn then surely you have to go with it and repop?

We hit 2 pair on the river not the turn. By then  the board is as wet as a haddock's swimming costume.

Fold is fine.

+1 gl in the next one...

well it seems you did hate the laydown. Otherwise you wouldn't have said 'How were you EVER folding here' or 'I am flat calling here every time'.

 

Well yes I did hate the laydown but in fairness I had marmite (not knowing who he was) on my table for most of the game and geo joined the table later on.

Played the 3rd of these last night - The Central European Championship.

33rd place finish in the end, having been in the top 5 for most of the time after the 1st break.

First period I found few cards and on the occassions I did the board and betting seen me having to give up on decent holdings - trip Qs on a 4 diamond board with no diamond facing large bet sort of thing.

After 2nd break I picked up a couple of decent pots then won a race against a shortstack to take me to CL. I remained within the top 5 without getting into any real skirmishes until losing 1/2 stack with 10-10 v jj on an 8 high non flushing board.

I was now back in the pack in the shove or fold mode and got the last of it in with AJ on a J high flop to find my oppo with QQ.

I feel I have played the last 2 reasonably well and especially in last nights game got a wee bit unlucky. Against the same players I won the League game last Sunday (from 100+ players) so am confident that the result we desire is there.

Geo

how many runners are these getting?

144
121
90

for the first 3

Geo

gl tonight

Not a good tourney for me at all this one, 68th of 79.

Gave away too many cards allowing others to catch up, should try over betting the pot more often at least they may find a fold rather than catching the river.

4 times in the first 4 levels had built a decent pot only to be outdrawn, quite frustrating but also know it could well have went for me rather than against.

Numbers in these continue to fall, however the good weather over the weekend would have had an effect on the numbers on Saturday.

Next up is the live Scottish Championship at the International in Aberdeen, actually quite pleased that the G pulled out as I've been following the "Nash" reports and postings of the guys up there at Aberdeen and it's all been good. It's also good to see a casino that really seems to care and cater for their poker players be given an opportunity to host a decent tourney.

Good luck to them and all the Apaters playing.

Neil/Matt any of you travelling up for this? Not sure if Redsimon plays the apat events but would be good to get a meet up sometime.

Geo

I'm playing most of the events (7CS, PLO, HORSE and 1b ME) at WCOAP @ Dtd in August, hopefully meet up there?... Getting people to fold in those online tournys is difficult tho' I guess in long run profitable i.e when they don't bink.

Please don't start doing this Geo. Overbet if you think they're going to call but never to try to stop them calling and getting lucky.

Keep plugging away mate. You'll get a result somewhere in the series.

Won't be at Aberdeen unfortunately. I'm away for a week so missing out on that one.

It's hard to analyse your play Geo unless you post some of the hand histories.

Often others will spot mistakes that you can correct much more easily than you will.

You big welsh plum

Me luv you too my Kazikstani pal.

I'll look out a couple over the next coupla days, the Betfair HH's aren't the greatest.

@ Matt, I agree and just found it frustrating that I couldn't hold. As Simon posted, even a pot bet doesn't seem to shift most draws (even middle pairs pfft!!)

Geo

As Blatch had put up the bulk of the staking for this I thought it only right to seek advice from a mod and 2 of the grimmed stakers most involved in trying to sort this mess out. I copy the short discussion below:


I intend to keep the remainder of Blatch's staking aside ($245) until it is decided whether it is best returned to a pot of some sort if it should be set up for the grimmed stakers. Meanwhile I will continue to play with my own money and the remaining stakage from Matt and Simon, who I believe were also victims of the Trading scam.

If any profit is made I will also contribute what would have been Blatch's share to any pot that may be set up.

Happy for anyone grimmed by Blatch to raise any concerns with this on the thread but would ask anyone else not involved to refrain from posting and filling this thread with all the unneccessary nonsense we've seen on the main discussion thread.

Geo

Geo - just my personal opinion, but as one of the grimmed I reckon you should use that stake money from blatch as you were going to and any winnings that were earmarked for blatch could be given to charity, split amongst the grimmed stakers (not sure how), or you could just keep it and treat you and your family to something nice. 

Keep it all i say.... :-)

Did you miss the English Open last night?...oops found you now 97/98 ouch

lol nice rub