APAT online series: Long Post warning

[suzanne]

Welsh Online Championship

All APAT online championships are 10k deepstack tourneys, which suit me, the majority of my wins have been in deepstack tourneys so was looking forward to the first of the series.

Tourney started and the only 2 players I recognised at the table were Rupinder and Stu Oliver. With Rupinder at the table I knew there would be a bit of action as he can be aggressive and especially in the early levels of a deepstack I like to play a bit more aggressively. Sure enough the early levels seen most of the play between Rupinder, myself and a player with the username Marmite.

Marmite was by far the most aggressive of us all, continually raising pre, re- popping raises and generally bullying the table. I would push back in the odd spot with a strong holding but generally he would show the goods or hit the draw.

A typical example:

15/30 level – On the Button holding QJ marmite raises to 64 and I flat BB calls
Flop  , ,
BB checks marmite bets 140 and I raise to 470.25. BB folds and Marmite calls.
Turn 
Marmite checks – I check (I would usually bet out here probs 1/2 to 3/4 pot)
River 
marmite bets 2,000 and I fold

The near double pot bet flummoxed me tbh and wasn’t convinced that he wasn’t drawing but for some reason didn’t pull the trigger.

Only just seen this...how were you EVER folding here. I had also clocked that marmite was a player (also found out it was Steve after the game) You answered ur own question...he was aggresive..in lots of pots so of course he is going to represent the flush. I am flat calling here every time.

Didnt realise you were being staked Geo ....GL hunny x

We'll he's not beating sets, AK or flushes so I doubt Mr Marmite is betting 2x pot with any worse hand for value. It's nuts or nothing so I don't hate a laydown.

This. I pass.

Steve is aggressive but he is also tighter than you would think, can't see what you are beating here tbh,

I dont hate the laydown either but if you are in the pot with QJ and hit 2 pair on the turn then surely you have to go with it and repop?

[EvilPie]

Welsh Online Championship

All APAT online championships are 10k deepstack tourneys, which suit me, the majority of my wins have been in deepstack tourneys so was looking forward to the first of the series.

Tourney started and the only 2 players I recognised at the table were Rupinder and Stu Oliver. With Rupinder at the table I knew there would be a bit of action as he can be aggressive and especially in the early levels of a deepstack I like to play a bit more aggressively. Sure enough the early levels seen most of the play between Rupinder, myself and a player with the username Marmite.

Marmite was by far the most aggressive of us all, continually raising pre, re- popping raises and generally bullying the table. I would push back in the odd spot with a strong holding but generally he would show the goods or hit the draw.

A typical example:

15/30 level – On the Button holding QJ marmite raises to 64 and I flat BB calls
Flop  , ,
BB checks marmite bets 140 and I raise to 470.25. BB folds and Marmite calls.
Turn 
Marmite checks – I check (I would usually bet out here probs 1/2 to 3/4 pot)
River 
marmite bets 2,000 and I fold

The near double pot bet flummoxed me tbh and wasn’t convinced that he wasn’t drawing but for some reason didn’t pull the trigger.

Only just seen this...how were you EVER folding here. I had also clocked that marmite was a player (also found out it was Steve after the game) You answered ur own question...he was aggresive..in lots of pots so of course he is going to represent the flush. I am flat calling here every time.

Didnt realise you were being staked Geo ....GL hunny x

We'll he's not beating sets, AK or flushes so I doubt Mr Marmite is betting 2x pot with any worse hand for value. It's nuts or nothing so I don't hate a laydown.

This. I pass.

Steve is aggressive but he is also tighter than you would think, can't see what you are beating here tbh,

I dont hate the laydown either but if you are in the pot with QJ and hit 2 pair on the turn then surely you have to go with it and repop?

We hit 2 pair on the river not the turn. By then  the board is as wet as a haddock's swimming costume.

Fold is fine.

[redsimon]

Thanks for the replies guys.

For the stakees, I've been working flat out for the last couple of weeks due to tax year end (and extra easy pennies.) Will complete a report for the 2nd event in the next couple of days.

Geo

[ ] We won

That'll do for me mate. Onwards and upwards for the next one. GLGL

+1 gl in the next one...

[GreekStein]

Welsh Online Championship

All APAT online championships are 10k deepstack tourneys, which suit me, the majority of my wins have been in deepstack tourneys so was looking forward to the first of the series.

Tourney started and the only 2 players I recognised at the table were Rupinder and Stu Oliver. With Rupinder at the table I knew there would be a bit of action as he can be aggressive and especially in the early levels of a deepstack I like to play a bit more aggressively. Sure enough the early levels seen most of the play between Rupinder, myself and a player with the username Marmite.

Marmite was by far the most aggressive of us all, continually raising pre, re- popping raises and generally bullying the table. I would push back in the odd spot with a strong holding but generally he would show the goods or hit the draw.

A typical example:

15/30 level – On the Button holding QJ marmite raises to 64 and I flat BB calls
Flop  , ,
BB checks marmite bets 140 and I raise to 470.25. BB folds and Marmite calls.
Turn 
Marmite checks – I check (I would usually bet out here probs 1/2 to 3/4 pot)
River 
marmite bets 2,000 and I fold

The near double pot bet flummoxed me tbh and wasn’t convinced that he wasn’t drawing but for some reason didn’t pull the trigger.

Only just seen this...how were you EVER folding here. I had also clocked that marmite was a player (also found out it was Steve after the game) You answered ur own question...he was aggresive..in lots of pots so of course he is going to represent the flush. I am flat calling here every time.

Didnt realise you were being staked Geo ....GL hunny x

We'll he's not beating sets, AK or flushes so I doubt Mr Marmite is betting 2x pot with any worse hand for value. It's nuts or nothing so I don't hate a laydown.

This. I pass.

Steve is aggressive but he is also tighter than you would think, can't see what you are beating here tbh,

I dont hate the laydown either but if you are in the pot with QJ and hit 2 pair on the turn then surely you have to go with it and repop?

well it seems you did hate the laydown. Otherwise you wouldn't have said 'How were you EVER folding here' or 'I am flat calling here every time'.

 

[suzanne]

Welsh Online Championship

All APAT online championships are 10k deepstack tourneys, which suit me, the majority of my wins have been in deepstack tourneys so was looking forward to the first of the series.

Tourney started and the only 2 players I recognised at the table were Rupinder and Stu Oliver. With Rupinder at the table I knew there would be a bit of action as he can be aggressive and especially in the early levels of a deepstack I like to play a bit more aggressively. Sure enough the early levels seen most of the play between Rupinder, myself and a player with the username Marmite.

Marmite was by far the most aggressive of us all, continually raising pre, re- popping raises and generally bullying the table. I would push back in the odd spot with a strong holding but generally he would show the goods or hit the draw.

A typical example:

15/30 level – On the Button holding QJ marmite raises to 64 and I flat BB calls
Flop  , ,
BB checks marmite bets 140 and I raise to 470.25. BB folds and Marmite calls.
Turn 
Marmite checks – I check (I would usually bet out here probs 1/2 to 3/4 pot)
River 
marmite bets 2,000 and I fold

The near double pot bet flummoxed me tbh and wasn’t convinced that he wasn’t drawing but for some reason didn’t pull the trigger.

Only just seen this...how were you EVER folding here. I had also clocked that marmite was a player (also found out it was Steve after the game) You answered ur own question...he was aggresive..in lots of pots so of course he is going to represent the flush. I am flat calling here every time.

Didnt realise you were being staked Geo ....GL hunny x

We'll he's not beating sets, AK or flushes so I doubt Mr Marmite is betting 2x pot with any worse hand for value. It's nuts or nothing so I don't hate a laydown.

This. I pass.

Steve is aggressive but he is also tighter than you would think, can't see what you are beating here tbh,

I dont hate the laydown either but if you are in the pot with QJ and hit 2 pair on the turn then surely you have to go with it and repop?

well it seems you did hate the laydown. Otherwise you wouldn't have said 'How were you EVER folding here' or 'I am flat calling here every time'.

 

Well yes I did hate the laydown but in fairness I had marmite (not knowing who he was) on my table for most of the game and geo joined the table later on.

[Geo the Sarge]

Played the 3rd of these last night - The Central European Championship.

33rd place finish in the end, having been in the top 5 for most of the time after the 1st break.

First period I found few cards and on the occassions I did the board and betting seen me having to give up on decent holdings - trip on a 4 diamond board with no diamond facing large bet sort of thing.

After 2nd break I picked up a couple of decent pots then won a race against a shortstack to take me to CL. I remained within the top 5 without getting into any real skirmishes until losing 1/2 stack with 10-10 v jj on an 8 high non flushing board.

I was now back in the pack in the shove or fold mode and got the last of it in with AJ on a J high flop to find my oppo with QQ.

I feel I have played the last 2 reasonably well and especially in last nights game got a wee bit unlucky. Against the same players I won the League game last Sunday (from 100+ players) so am confident that the result we desire is there.

Geo

[gatso]

how many runners are these getting?

[Geo the Sarge]

how many runners are these getting?

144
121
90

for the first 3

Geo

[redsimon]

gl tonight

[Geo the Sarge]

Not a good tourney for me at all this one, 68th of 79.

Gave away too many cards allowing others to catch up, should try over betting the pot more often at least they may find a fold rather than catching the river.

4 times in the first 4 levels had built a decent pot only to be outdrawn, quite frustrating but also know it could well have went for me rather than against.

Numbers in these continue to fall, however the good weather over the weekend would have had an effect on the numbers on Saturday.

Next up is the live Scottish Championship at the International in Aberdeen, actually quite pleased that the G pulled out as I've been following the "Nash" reports and postings of the guys up there at Aberdeen and it's all been good. It's also good to see a casino that really seems to care and cater for their poker players be given an opportunity to host a decent tourney.

Good luck to them and all the Apaters playing.

Neil/Matt any of you travelling up for this? Not sure if Redsimon plays the apat events but would be good to get a meet up sometime.

Geo

[redsimon]

I'm playing most of the events (7CS, PLO, HORSE and 1b ME) at WCOAP @ Dtd in August, hopefully meet up there?... Getting people to fold in those online tournys is difficult tho' I guess in long run profitable i.e when they don't bink.

[EvilPie]

Gave away too many cards allowing others to catch up, should try over betting the pot more often at least they may find a fold rather than catching the river.

Please don't start doing this Geo. Overbet if you think they're going to call but never to try to stop them calling and getting lucky.

Keep plugging away mate. You'll get a result somewhere in the series.

Won't be at Aberdeen unfortunately. I'm away for a week so missing out on that one.

[GreekStein]

Gave away too many cards allowing others to catch up, should try over betting the pot more often at least they may find a fold rather than catching the river.

Please don't start doing this Geo. Overbet if you think they're going to call but never to try to stop them calling and getting lucky.

Keep plugging away mate. You'll get a result somewhere in the series.

Won't be at Aberdeen unfortunately. I'm away for a week so missing out on that one.

It's hard to analyse your play Geo unless you post some of the hand histories.

Often others will spot mistakes that you can correct much more easily than you will.

You big welsh plum

[Geo the Sarge]

Gave away too many cards allowing others to catch up, should try over betting the pot more often at least they may find a fold rather than catching the river.

Please don't start doing this Geo. Overbet if you think they're going to call but never to try to stop them calling and getting lucky.

Keep plugging away mate. You'll get a result somewhere in the series.

Won't be at Aberdeen unfortunately. I'm away for a week so missing out on that one.

It's hard to analyse your play Geo unless you post some of the hand histories.

Often others will spot mistakes that you can correct much more easily than you will.

You big welsh plum

Me luv you too my Kazikstani pal.

I'll look out a couple over the next coupla days, the Betfair HH's aren't the greatest.

@ Matt, I agree and just found it frustrating that I couldn't hold. As Simon posted, even a pot bet doesn't seem to shift most draws (even middle pairs pfft!!)

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

As Blatch had put up the bulk of the staking for this I thought it only right to seek advice from a mod and 2 of the grimmed stakers most involved in trying to sort this mess out. I copy the short discussion below:

Apologies Rich,

Know you're all very busy with all this pisch but thought it best to get on top of this soonest.

Blatch took the biggest chunk of my APAT online staking, I know it's for pennies compared to what has gone on but just feel I need some guidance here.

In effect, what should I do regards the stake he sent me in March. Whilst it was shortly after I had made him a bit more on a staking he done for a $6 FT game, I still feel terrible that the money he sent back to me for the staking could technically belong to the stakers he mugged.

Should I return what remains of that stake to him? (probs not)

Will there be a pot of any sort for donations to the stakers that I could return the remainder to? (I know it's not much but I wouldn't want to be tarred with his brush.)

If you can give me some guidance it would be appreciated. I will continue to play these but will keep the remainder of his stake to one side. Should I bink before we get to the bottom of this then happy to put what would have been his share to any pot as mentioned above.

Matt/Simon,

Can I assume you are happy for me to carry on with our part of the staking?

Think it best in the coming months that I don't update on my thread but will do personally through PM. Saves any potential arguements and the normal boo boys setting off again (and I don't mean the grimmed stakers.)

Tighty,

am happy if you wish to make the grimmed stakers aware of my situ so all is transparent.


I'm really gutted for blonde and the many friends I know who are caught up in this.

Geo

Hi Geo

This is my personal opinion (not as a mod as I don't get involved in staking as a mod, just any flaming etc), that you

a) post a version of the above on your staking thread. As you say best to be open and up front. I agree with not using the remaining Blatch sum from here on

b) Inform the people in Blatch's staking. Possibly Cos, NoFlopsHomer for starters and see what they want to do. They'll probably want to do nothing, but again you are doing the right thing.

Cos/Chris,

appreciate your thoughts please.

Geo

Sick thing is I actually bought 10% of your staking from Blatch before the very first game. Iirc $56 but as there's prob no record of it (though that's partly why I've followed the thread) I'm happy for you to do whatever you feel is right Geo you big welsh pansy.

Just use the stake as you were going to imo and any potential returns that were going to go to him can be split amongst stakers.

I don't think anyone will see anything wrong with that but def post it on the thread imo.

Cos

Yep fine.

I intend to keep the remainder of Blatch's staking aside ($245) until it is decided whether it is best returned to a pot of some sort if it should be set up for the grimmed stakers. Meanwhile I will continue to play with my own money and the remaining stakage from Matt and Simon, who I believe were also victims of the Trading scam.

If any profit is made I will also contribute what would have been Blatch's share to any pot that may be set up.

Happy for anyone grimmed by Blatch to raise any concerns with this on the thread but would ask anyone else not involved to refrain from posting and filling this thread with all the unneccessary nonsense we've seen on the main discussion thread.

Geo