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The ruskie bid looks strong, they probaqbly paid the appropriate bribes as well.  i was feeling cocky after the english bid went well.

Can I just say, in all seriousness, Come On England!!!

Russia: Mafia/Organisedcrime/Putin...all of these pull the strings in government

Sportugal: Bust, can't invest in a WC

England: Safest bid

bet it's a stictch up for Russia though, money talks!

+1

Sadly I suspect you will be proved correct.

I'm surprised that part of our bid wasn't threatening to send Gary Lineker to shit on their pitches if they don't vote for us.

Anyone but Russia for me.
Would quite like a Spain Portugal world cup actually.

Defo hope England win this; for no other reason than I'll have teams like Brazil, Argentina etc on my doorstep!

England 2.0

Russia 3.2

Tempted to think these odds are the wrong way round....?

Russia @ 3.25 on Skybet is huge imo.

i backed England yesterday at 11/4.

Putin not coming is a big issue apprently and word from inside by reporters is it is very close at the moment and bookies think the Putin absence may tip the balance.

a tribute to Fifa's fearless and renowned transparency that they're not planning to release a breakdown of the votes from each round.............

Come on England, its the only chance I will get to see world class football ever at my home ground

Shocking effort from Prince William having to constantly looking down at his notes- he is well trained in public speaking and his speech was one of the simplest in history

Too busy thinking about knobbing his bit of stuff I reckon, she'll ruin this country I tell ya.

taken 9/4.....but  ;goodluck; us!

I think football's coming home

Are you in Russia?

Just listening to 5Live, and googled Gabriel Marcotti, he looks nothing like I imagined1  I was imagining something like Celine Dion's husband

It going to a 3rd round of voting is probably good news for England. From the breakdown I saw this morning that our hope laid in slowly picking up 2nd/3rd choice votes.

Hoping the Aussies get 2022, though the games would be on in the middle of the night.

Rumour Qatar has 2022

England to host and win WC2018 at 12/1

Would like this.  Australia is too far away, games  at reasonable time please.   

Want USA to win 2022

Qatar were in bed with Spain

any chance last night's scenes in birmingham could've cost us votes? certainly not the best timing

Would affect your work badly wouldn't it?

Would be very surprised if I am still playing poker for a living in 2022.

The thinking was that nobody was watching as it was UEFA night. Could have been mentioned it today but don't think other bids mentioned fan behaviour.

Am i the only one who doesnt want the World Cup here?

Russia and Qatar then? A triumph for progressive and liberal thinking within FIFA


rumours that England are out first

I don't want it in Russia but would love a Spanish world cup

We didn't make the final 2.....

Bugger

it's probs true but leak is only from 1 person in the bid team. I'd tell the press that for a laugh if I was involved

Rumours that the final two are Wagner and Anne Widdicombe.

Corrupt wankers...

They have to build all the stadiums and who will want to travel all that way

Crazy

Sales of brown paper bags and unmarked forged notes in Moscow soar.

Paaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii          Ussssssssssssss

:( :( :(

You knew beforehand when it cut to the auditorium cut to Abramovich and he was grinning like a meerkat.

at least the russian women are fit

What were the odds on Quatar?

Cosmos Hotel is recommended to anyone wanting to book early.

lol, like we are gunna qualify now!

Who cares about Panorama when the Qatar choice (even more than Russia) proves that the investigation was correct!

toally corrupt. easily the 2 bids most likely to pay massive bungs to win.

Whats your problem Dubai? (in a nice way, why wouldn't you want it here?)

and the 2026 World cup is awarded to the Maldives.

 ;indestructable;

gonna be incredible. warm up in ukraine 2012 then this. looking forward to it

http://www.soccerway.com/matches/2010/11/18/world/friendly/qatar/haiti/1049941/

Might move there now, see if i can get a Qatari passport by 2018, pretty sure they are in need of a central defensive general.

Such a joke that this means that Qatar qualify automatically, people kicked off about South Africa qualifying but this is a whole new ballgame.

yep. i'll be going.

I really really really hate Sepp Blatter.

no visa requirement and free travel around the country during the tournament. so, so good

Im sure the african teams are very happy russia have won!

Constant's goal was clearly offside and Qatar's should have had at least 2 pens in the first half.

lol why do they bother visiting these places to make reports on the bid? when it comes down to other things, like who bungs the shitty countries with a vote some wonger.com

a lot less racism in russian footy than in spanish

I think Qatar have an excellent chance of winning the World Cup on home soil - if they can afford to spurn chances like this they must feel confident of scoring at will.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQLylizGmDs

I was in the directors' area at karpaty lviv when the uefa delegation visited to check them out as part of the euro 2012 bid. part of the stadium was set on fire during the game and there was a riot outside the ground after, me and a friend ended up escorting one of the players from the exit and onto the bus at high speed to prevent him getting hit by flying bricks.

the visit obv didn't affect the bid though as they'll be hosting 3 games in 2012

both winning bids had the weakest technical reports


charitably, Blatter has gone for his vision to take the WC to new palces, expand the game etc

Uncharitably, money talks

no your not

International football is crap.

Hopefully these ridic decisions will lead to a further weakening of it.

I would rather watch El Classico or Man U v Arsenal than the World Cup final.

Absolutely ridiculous, esp giving 2022 to Qatar. The country only has 1.6m inhabitants. If they build 8 stadia for this and each has a capacity for 50,000, they could collectively fit 1/4 of the country's population into them. Not gonna have much use for them afterwards though. This should have been turned down on enviromental grounds as a waste of resources.

I went to the Qatar Embassy to sort out a visa for my brother a couple of years ago.
Going down some steps to a basement area following "visa" signs I saw one guy asleep in his office chair, and then went through a door that led to offices that were deserted!
They were still open for another hour according to their sign,but after sitting there for about 30 mins....someone wandering in and nonchalantly said "we're closed, come back tomorrow"!

agree in general but apparently the plan is to take the 12 stadia down after the WC and ship them to 3rd world countries and rebuild them, and this was a big hit with voters



Meanwhile, England did go out 1st and Russia won in the 2nd round. BBC also reports that Blatter briefed voters on "certain media coverage" before the vote. The guy's only concern is his own vested interests

Was it midget football if he could shelter behind you?

Unconfirmed (again): England picked up just four votes in the first round, with Russia reaching the required 12 in the second #2018

Wtf how would this work?

If this is true then the 1st vote must have been
Russia 8
Beltherands 5
Sportugal 5
England 4
Russia could never have doubted it if they had 8 votes locked down

it was ihor khudobyak, probs the smallest player in the team so he was fine

I've known it in this country for individual stands, take em down piece by piece, back of a lorry, put them up again

quote

For a start, they’re only proposing only 12 stadiums. aka the minimum requirement.

That’s because they only have three of the 12 stadiums needed to hold the World Cup at present, and all three are slated for renovation. That means nine stadiums will be built from scratch, a tall order, and not something even South Africa attempted.

The plan is then to relocate the stadia around various FIFA confederations in disadvantaged countries

much the same thing would've counted against the english bid. putting an extra tier on franchise fc's stadium has to be the most ridic waste of resources I've ever heard of

Confirmed we got 2 votes out of 22


Panorama, well done lads


what a farce!!

Turns out we only got 2 votes

Freedom of the media is more important than running a corrupt football tournament imo.

Stadium MK is now a complete white elephant

and that's fair comment.

Undeniable it had an effect though?

one was Geoff Thompson who then transferred the vote to Russia


It is also confirmed from him that Blatter warned the delgates about the British Media pre-vote

Don't England have one rep?.....so we won one vote!!??

True but wouldn't have harmed to air it a week later!

2 votes and there was an Englishman on the commitee!!   Fuck we are popular.

5 to blame why lets think:  Daily Mail
                                     Sunday Times
                                     Panorama
                                     That peado looking journo
                                     Jeremy Vine for hosting the show


So lets see.  you earn say 100 million for hosting (just a ballpark figure)   bribe 22 officials 2 million each.   Total profit 56 million.   F uck fair play it gets you knowhere
          

Obviously had a huge effect.

But that makes me more pleased we didn't get the gig if the voters are that corrupt.

Amazing to think England were about 8/13  just before the result.

Programme is worthless is they air it a week later and someone else had won.

Same price they normally are to win the world cup every time.... just before they play their first game :D

OTOH if it was true, and the process was corrupt (I didn't watch it, but I think that was the gist?), then airing it before the process won't matter anyway because the process was corrupt.

the voting round by round

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/bidders/2018/media/newsid=1344971.html

Don't expect this to last long, but make hay while the sun shines  :D

I'll vote then think about being a mod lol

250million quid on each vote, what a waste of Tax Payers Money.
Heads should roll at  the (former) Goverment and FA.

topic merged, just to hide the thread title!

LOL at the poll.

Nice one, thanks Rich

wtf Qatar had less votes in round 2 than round 3.

Do they usually do two World Cup decisions at the same time?

isn't that how it should work?

No, and they won't do it again.

The reason they did it was because many of these FIFA members are old and may not be around to line their pockets take part in the decision in 4 year's time.

and how do these 22 members get chosen? Why do some countries have reps, and some not?

what happens when one shuffles off his mortal coil and needs replacing?

At the moment I would guess sealed tenders for the seats.

Who the fuck are these people who vote? Watching SkySports atm, its redic lrieujouihjpeoujckiold

Junior teams get fined hundreds of pounds a year that they can hardly afford and amateur teams have to pay stupid fines to the FA. Last week a friends team who are cahs strapped got fined £10 for not offering the ref water at half time. They just gg $500m like that? Put it into youth football and get a team good enough to win in Qatar instead of trying to host a cmpetition that we all know is obv corrupt and our main tv channel host a programme 2 nights before about a corrupt team of judges who haven't made their minds up yet (officially) and are obviously scum.

This is an excellent post.

The FA is just a corrupt mini me of FIFA

Poll is amazing.

Cant wait for North Korea 2026 and Mordor 2030.

FA wasted alot of money but the bid was spot on.
Alot of the fines aren't really stupid. Huge lack of respect by players throughout amatuer football and the fines should increase if anything. A £10 fine for not offerin water is a bit tight but it's not even £1 each. Cash strapped or not that's eff all.
I agree the FA is corrupt but not for finies in amateur football and not for this world cup bid.

Lol, they had water. but just didnt offer it to the ref, petty. Teams physically intimidate other teams in amateur football and the FA do fuck all about it. The FA fine teams for the most ridiculous reasons but don't have the balls to do anything to the naughty teams.

500m with a 3/1 chance of getting the world cup (22/1 if you go by votes) or 500m into youth football to improve the biggest underachieving international team in the world. I know what I'd prefer.

Bradford 2034

where you getting 500m from?

Eritrea 2038

It's been a bit overlooked in the media, but I thought Australia would have made a good choice and Like England they now have to wait years for another go.
I am working on the basis that China get 2026 and a European country gets 2030 or maybe a South American which means Australia have to wait until 2034.

Hopefully not a South American country in 2030, they've got 2014.

I liked the old days when it rotated between Europe and South America.

South America can't host a WC, none of the countries there can afford it. 2014 was given to South America and only Brazil put their hand up and they are struggling. Things might change in the next 12 years or so right enough.

Apparently the other vote that England secured was one of the guys Panorama exposed  :D

There isn't a b4stard option  :o

Got to hurt to hell to the guys over there putting our bid in.  Those being interviewed on SSN have said that they were under the assumption that we were doing ok. To come out top in the technical reports and get the positive feed back only to get 2 votes really is an insult.

Warner froim trinidad. Responsible for the 3 concacaf votes. With us all the way, we go there for a friendly, beckham goes there for soccer schools, he's our banker. Delivers no votes. Marvellous!

This.

I think the disappointment would be not even having a chance.  Werent we suppose to have a couple of bankers? 

Isn't that just another form of bribery?

Not really, its open and up front

Isn't Warner totally in Blatters pocket?

Whatever Sepp says he does.

Don't think we should ever bother bidding again and just be a pain in the arse to FIFA and Blatter whenever possible.............

Will that be Becks knighthood put on hold then?

On second thoughts, for 2026 we should put the Isle of Man forward as an entry and blatantly offer £10 million to each FIFA member for their 'support' just for a laugh to see if we could win it that way..........

It wouldn't stand a chance, its not small enough.

Warner said on Friday (I think Friday) that he would only vote for us if we were likely to make it to round two otherwise his votes would go elsewhere

Wat?

If England aren't going to make round 2, then there's no harm in him following through on his promise in round 1, safe in the knowledge he can switch to whoever else in round 2. What a clown he is.

I'm guessing the Olympics is just as dodgy so how come we bung them but don't here ?

I was split between wanting us or Spain to win it as going to Spain for a WC would've been incred.Obv no shock at amount of votes we got after Monday and everything before it.

guess the russians just didn't want the olympics as much as the wc

panorama did the same thing just before the olympic votes exposing cash for votes

Just as well.

England's next hosting of a big football tournament needs to be a round number of years from '66 or re-release of Baddiel, Skinner & The Lightning Seeds is going to sound silly.

52 years of hurt? It wouldn't have worked lads.

I'm just so disappointed by it all really.

Shit to FIFA, all completely bent.

And Blatter has a face that you just wanna punch hard!

Olympic Committee has over 100 people on it so the chances are greater of the best bid getting through.

oops. I meant less votes in round 2 than round 1.

In fact looking at it it's quite weird. Australia got knocked out in round 1 with only 1 vote but the next round votes were completely different. I guess if you know your original country is going to lose you might change, but for Qatar to lose a vote seems quite strange when they were 1 away from winning the thing.

The voting just makes no sense at all.

First Round

Russia - 9 votes
Sportugal - 7 votes
Nelgium - 4 votes
England - 2 votes

England get eliminated, and they vote again.  So the two that voted for England must reselect, and you would assume that the other 20 would vote for the bid they thought was the right one about 15 mins before.

However

Second Round

Russia - 13 votes
Sportugal - 7 votes
Nelgium - 2 votes

Two of the original Netherlands/Belgium voters jump ship to Russia.  Why not just vote for Russia in the first place ?

And the 2022 vote was even stranger.  Both Qatar and Japan got less votes in Round Two than they did in Round One.

Is the executive committee that old and senile that they keep forgetting who they voted for fifteen minutes prior ?

If Russia was their second choice they may as well change their vote in round 2 when it becomes apparant that netherlands/belgium aren't going to win.

The Qatar one though really is bizzare. They're about to win so someone apparantly changed their minds and voted for someone else?

Don't see why you aren't forced to keep your first choice and only the eliminated voters are allowed to change.

A little more visibility on why FIFA wants to go to new territories


They are not interested in World Cup Ready countries. After all, England could host a World cup now-ish...the facilities, transport, stadia etc are all ready

Reading this morning that FIFA itself appoints the sub contractors for the stadia/infrastructure build in the winning countries and in effect takes an affiliate cut of the payment to the contractors


So the fact that Russia is not ready, that Qatar needs to build 9 stadiums (and, that Brazil has to build stadia and airports near those stadia as the venues are in far flung places this time) is an advantage to their bids.....


Meaning the technical reports/scoring/process is a complete waste of time....

why would you have to do this?

It's fine that they want to take it to new countries but i'd prefer if it was a team that had a chance of qualifying without hosting and if they would tell countries not to bother bidding if you've already had it.

Because Russia just became a 3rd world country for winning the vote. Someone on Talk Radio said they needed to concentrate on feeding their people instead of hosting football tournaments.

England owed them for 66 anyway.

lol. people are funny

I can almost forgive that bloody linesman now.

Sandy

interesting results itp

LOL

I agree with this. FIFA may believe their desire to take football to new frontiers is an admirable one. And maybe it is. But if that's the criteria for selection then why allow a country like England to waste a lot of time and money submitting a bid? England topped the ratings in every criteria that FIFA itself presented to bidding nations. So to be told that the agenda they've been working hard to fulfill isn't actually the agenda at all makes the whole process a farce. And anyway this isn't how sport works. The team that outscore the opposition in every area win the day, they don't finish stone last. FIFA have picked the fat kid first and left the most talented player at the back of the queue. They might think this is a sound decision but it's definitely not a sporting decision.

If it is true that FIFA gets a cut from the construction contracts that may have something to do with it.  

I was out investigating it last night, here's what I found out........

(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/Andr4w/money.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11921692


Nice one Boris

The C's

Regards

M

LOL.

Fifa are bent etc etc etc.

To protest against this bent decision we are going to withdraw our bribe.

LOL.

Sandy

Quite right too!  These exec's get too many jollies, make them fork out some of the money they get imo

Jack Warner blames the media for costing England the World Cup...."Fifa could not have voted for England having been insulted by their media in the worst possible way."

FIFA are entrusted to regulate football and make decisions that are in the best interests of the game. And in this instance it's widely recognised England had the best bid. So what FIFA are actually saying is they will reject good decisions on behalf of football if the free press in a bidding country has the audacity to criticise them. They will choose a lesser option to spite that country simply because that country allows free speech. Such childish words imo and no foundation for correct decision making. Playing football in the park as a kid there was one spoilt brat who owned the ball and he'd pick it up and go home if you gave him too much stick. Hello Jack Warner.

Decision was probably made BEFORE the panorama program imo.

Best schmest, it wasnt the winning bid