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Im really upset

Richard Keys
Andy Gray
Martin Tyler

ARE SKY FOOTBALL

i loved Gray's analysis and no-one else even comes close

Quite suprised tbh. 

abs redic!

As I said on tikay's thread it seems odd that he's been sacked for comments made in December and not the ones made at the weekend.

+1  I said exactly this when I heard.  A sad day for sports.

lol

Sky didn't have any choice.

Gray also has believed his own hype for about 2-3 years. Before that he was great, now not so imo

Really doubt i will be able to listen to football again, the clowns that do friday night and saturday night championship games tilt me beyond belief, Alan Smith yawwwwwwwwwwwwwn

what hype?

Does Sian know the offside rule? 

I'm not even arsed about footy, but that is just stupid, the world is getting way too fucking PC for my liking. >:(

Andy Gray is the only one who really understands whats going on on a football pitch. I'm gutted.

His own sense of self importance

Keys is far worse at that, too

 

This.

Now get some presenters/pundits on who actually analyse the game without their blinkers on.

+1million

Hansen? Shearer?


I'll give you that the ITV lot are clueless


This will be the best thing for Sky sports football IMO. A lot of talent was completely blocked by the enormous egos of the big two

The only one in the World?

New evidence 12 second clip tried to get charlotte Jackson to tuck his Mic into his trousers

probably another tongue in cheek remark fucking idiots without anything better to do have picked up. Im beginning to resent this fkin country

Let's not forget the real victim in this: Martin Tyler, who is now facing life in a commentary box with Sam Allardyce.

Please not Sam.  There are plenty of eloquent, insightful people around - and then there's him.

Defo this!!

Interesting the names being mentioned to replace Gray.

James Richardson and Terry Gibson are two suggested by Tony Barrett.  Who would others suggest?

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Thought I was quick off the mark with this - then aw that Kinboshi beat me to it on the LFC thread  ;tightend;

take a bow to the stupid b1tch who wasnt upset enough to report something in december but is now - she will have a claim in next and be off sick for a few weeks to boot

this country is becoming an absolute joke with PC/HR/tippy fucking toeing around

[  ] i have heard the facts btw

i guess that is semi off topic

gg anydy gray - you have been the best for nearly 20 years and I appreciate your sevice to football

Robby Savage

or Roy Keane has spare time these days

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Andy-Gray-sacked-Watch-the-video-footage-of-Sky-Sports-star-s-crude-remarks-to-Charlotte-Jackson-which-led-to-dismissal-after-warning-following-sexist-remarks-to-Sian-Massey-with-Richard-Keys-article681537.html


PMSL if this is the reason

GTFO, women are not welcome in poker football.

Similar to soccer am's "save chip" I propose..Save Andy, dont let the bird win.

I imagine Mr Savage's application form has already been sent.

plz dont let that be the reason!

What a joke- that is the most innoculous joke ever

Women are a disgrace and should be banned from all sports- who the hell watches womens sports anyway? Tennis is the most tilting thing ever, they arent strong enough or good enough to punish mistakes

for anyone who can't see the joke in the clip, i fear for you and you need to get a life

Some of the sexism in this thread is most unappealing.

Savage is very good on the radio, and whenever he's in the studio as a guest. 

LOL To be fair I think I'd get a fucking roasting as a min for doing that to one of my female work colleagues  :)

Womens football needs to be banned- 22 butch talentless creatures running around, trying to kick a ball whilst they are all secretly plagued for life by the fact they dont have the penis they've always desired

Feck em, in the studio he's always quite good but when he does live commentary he is one of the worst out there. He won't be missed and will probably show up on ITV or C5 pretty soon.

Obv Sky was going to sack him. you just don't make jokes like that unless you're friendly with the woman. You could see she just ignored him because she knows he's a twat and he just had that stupid "Look what I did boys" grin on his face. You wouldn't get away with that in any normal big company.

there must be a million worse jokes made in offices all around the country on a daily basis

gg men if this is the precedent you are all out of jobs tomorrow!

Dubai!

ha i checked who was viewing and it was all male dont worry.

You can delete the post(s) if u like, but the point is valid. Womens sports are painful to watch.

are you of the opinion he should lose his job for it?

Even Beach Volleyball?

im fuming, what a travesty

even if one accepts that, and I don't, who is to say many hundreds and thousands of women can't enjoy playing foootball, watching football, supporting their team, becoming an official etc etc?

that's the part of this I don't like, the assumption that if you are not male your football view matters for less.

take me to a world where people can laugh at themselves and joke about things without busy body lefties kicking up a fuss

I'm not sure, for the Sian Massey comment alone probably not. If they think its a systematic sexism bias in his work and conduct, then yes

I don't know all the facts so hesitate to say for sure.

it does

!!!!

Seriously?

I think whoever comes bottom in the NAPS league should be made to watch a womens football match

wow - i think its just as well that we arent all recorded during our work life for everything we say and do to be kept for the record -

this was not a comment made on air, and from what we know there was no grievance at the time and now this lady has an isuue with it?

the world is going mad - abso crazy bonkers

yes

males in this country are mostly brought up on this game, it flows through our veins, we are taught the rules, we get a club, we play from an early age

+1  In fact just assume future Trigg posts on this thread is also my opinion

Totally devved by this.

Half tempted to cancel my sky subscription out of protest.

Andy gray was pure class as a commentator/analyst and noone comes close.

Pc world goes mad.

if this makes me sexist so be it. Honest sexist

Try Saudi, or maybe Iran?

Do me a favour love!!

i know what you mean trigg (sorry couldnt resist)

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150/1

u gona resign tighty or wait to be sacked?

well found!

Though that is a "new mod making the tea" reference first and foremost. It was Kinboshi for years.

I sure given 10 minutes you'll find something more applicable

I'm a known mysogynist after all

Think you missed the joke there with your sexist specs on.  The joke is that the newest mod is the one who makes the tea - not based on their gender.  Hence I was the tea-boy when I was the newest mod, and Cf is now the one who makes the tea.

vnh sir

yeah and the joke is how bad women think about football that im on about

Thanks for clearing that up.

I can assure you that the owners of Sky cannot be accused of being "busy body lefties".

This made me lol

Pc lunacy as this country goes further down the drain...this kind of thing is just the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe they should bring back big Ron....

Would it have still been PC gone mad if Andy Gray said, Here, black boy, clean my shoes?

This. Gray is a dinosaur.

Great in his day but not in 2011.

However good or bad Andy Gray is as a pundit doesn't alter the fact that he's clearly an idiot.

If there's one thing I can't stand it's stupid people, so for that I'm pretty glad he's got punished for being stupid.

Beat me to it

I thought you liked Kinboshi?

:D

Hope you're being ironic Ralph, because I doubt sledge was.

Just downloaded the new FIFA 11 commentary update.

Not much different, although when my girlfriend went on it, Andy Gray shouted at her to "put that fucking controller down and get back to the kitchen."


I think Andy Gray and Richard Keys should be sacked after their ignorant, sexist comments on TV. Sky Sports should set an example and give their jobs to female presenters.

Preferably ones with really big tits.




Following the controversial comments made by Andy Gray and Richard Keys on having a woman lines man, it's now being heard that the female lines 'woman' in question was very upset even before kick off...

When she discovered that the referee and the other lines man were wearing the same outfit as her.



Sandy

Of course, he could discuss Celtic's point...

Watch out people, the Leftie POLICE SIREN is about to go mental!

I won't miss Andy Gray, he is always totally biased and spouts bs half the time.If he made that joke to a female he was friends with then it wouldn't be an issue but I think it's quite clear from her reaction they aren't friends.

GTFO Andy Gray.What with him and Gullit gone I might not turn it off during half time anymore.

Think that was actually a question to you?

Ray - the voice of reason.

I think that some of the posters on this thread should be banned.  The comments are wholey in-appropriate.

The list of people I think should be banned are below*

Horneris
ChipRich
TightEnd

*the people I believe should be banned have not actually made sexist comments and should be considered a seperate post to that about the wholey in-appropriate comments mentioned.

People should look for the person who grassed them up and leaked the recording. What is said in jest and private should be kept private.

That being said I don't know what has blown out of all proportion more the actual event or people on here virtually wetting themselves over a footy commentator losing his job. If they got a fit bird to replace him all is good!

sack the bitch Kay Burley instead.

Got what he deserved, the second clip makes him out to be a right creep.
Although it's been reported that he's suing the NOTW for tapping his Phone, looks like Murdoch and co have fired the first shot.
Makes Gray out to be really stupid if he's shouting his mouth off if the above is true.

I don't play football but I know any time i desire a penis I can get one. What are you doing tonight? We could get together and chat about the offside rule, see where it goes from there...

Must not rise to this! but you should go watch footy in the states..all the fit birds play it.. butch birds was so 90s.

Take a bow son!


GTFO Gray you mug, the clip with Charlotte Jackson is just a pathetic sad old perv with his creepy bastard pal sniggering like a schoolboy. If I was Jacksons fella I'd knock his c*nt in.

hahaaa, needs more love imo

I'm abs astonished by the love for Andy Gray - in terms of fat headed, smug twats his only competition has ever been Alan Brazil

And Keys and Tyler are shiz too.

So obv that in any workplace there are things we can say to some people and the relationship and context make it a laugh and then you can say things like Andy Gray and get fired - i'm laarvin it

Who leaks this stuff anyway ? Internal matter imo, just a fkg witch hunt.

i really feel sorry for people that dont see what he said was a fairly harmless joke (but at the top end of the bottom tier of harmless)

are we not allowed to tell jokes anymore?, is having a laugh and a giggle a crime? - (and yes i do include even at someone elses expense there too - other people are often used in jokes)

the long run of this type of mentality is that people become cardboard cut outs - too frightened to express an opinion to go against the grain  - and woe betide anyone how dare make a joke - for fear of someone taking offence

if you choose to, you could take offence at a million things that are out there in this big world of ours

If someone could explain why  that joke was so vile/sexist/crude/diminishing that a man should lose his job over it id be interested to hear it

TBH, you're an idiot

washing my hair tonight im afraid :)

i'm available

Is that directed at me?  This is completely hairist and I would like action taken.

The above sums it up quite nicely for me.

For those that don't see his actions as wrong - would it make a difference if its your Mum, Sister or Daughter on the receiving end?

bang on m8, ppl shud hear the shit that gets said between us lot!

Quite obvious they were looking for a reason to get shot IMO. Andy Gray is a dinsoaur with outdated views. Similar to some of the "real men" on here.

When I started reading the thread I thought I had stumbled across Harry Enfield's "Women Know your place!"

I don't have strong views on Women's Lib: I have no idea why suffragettes used to throw themselves under racehorses to try and prove they were as good as men, particularly when i didn't see any men doin it first, but I do know that if a woman has worked hard to train as a football official and is as qualified as the next man, what's the problem?

Can Massey do the job? Clearly - she made the correct judgement on an offside ruling when Andy Gray and sidekick actually got it wrong. So why should she be subjected to some old lech dismissing her because she's female?

Does all this mean the cast of Itv daytime show "Loose Women" will now be sacked?

Boomtown agree with dubai and trigg as per usual.

Women only watch football to see beckham in shorts or what posh is wearing in the stands. They shouldn't be part of the game.

Oh tighty - why was cf told to make the tea when him vinny and andrewt got made mods at the same time? Maybe cos he has long hair and most feminine of the 3.

(Love u cf)

Same with boshi - prob just got started because boshi's like a bird.

(Love u kin).

Hope so - there crap

"Quite obvious they were looking for a reason to get shot IMO. Andy Gray is a dinsoaur with outdated views. Similar to some of the "real men" on here. "

u do realise most of the people on here are joking and looking for a reaction etc

You mean you're not washing your hair?

Bring it on big fella, I've got a sexy little pinny you can pop on to wash my dishes afterwards.

U mean amongst friends?

Would u tell the same jokes on tv?  Or amongst possible sensitve work collegues infront of cameras whilst wearing microphones?

Some people are stupid, Andy Gray is one of them.

I for one am sad that Andy gray has gone from sky sports I personally thought he was great and loved his analysis.

But what really gets up my goat is the Hypocrisy coming from sky sports

Charlotte Jackson, Georgie Thompson, Millie Clode, Natalie Sawyer, are all employed by sky sports because they are attractive woman, not for there sports knowledge.
They are there as eye candy to attract male viewers to watch.  If they were not fit to look at they would not be in the job end of.

I do the cooking, not the cleaning. Apologies

this is a good point, which I referred to on tikay's diary ealier

Not too bothered he's gone. I think he used to be good and has gone down hill. Don't think he should have been sacked though.
I hate the "if he'd said it about about a black person would it be okay?" arguement.
 Soccer Saturday boys rib each other about their weight, size of nose, lack of trophies, intelligence etc and people accept it's a joke but some people always want to make things more serious than it is.

Anyone who sees his expression in this clip and thinks he's joking or having banter and it's not his real view on women is deluded imho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34JxxlUUhc8

Sadly there's a few joining you and a few other funny ones who aint getting it

Collar felt by the irony police.....

if its gonna be total com like his joke was then yeah for sure!


million

I can believe he is sexist but do you honestly believe he thinks that females just can't understand the offside rule?

Agree - you knew when Sky started reporting the story today with the dialogue/video they wanted him gone.

It makes sense to just get someone better in who costs less.

time and place for everything andy gray is guilty of getting it wrong

me and tighty having a joke at the bottom of a stairs casse tighty telling me to get my crippled butt up the stairs would be fine
me and a doorman in same place and with same comment i would take offense and he would he feeling a little sore after i hit him

andy hray miss judge his releationship with the woman and basically it is a type of domintation and bullying
among friends it might have been acceptable

while dubai said what he did in an exaggerated way, I'm still sure they largely represent his views that women don't really have much of a place in football.

I agree with that but obv ppl are baiting for reactions.

Surely Sky will start repeating Benny Hill now!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCYpk0ivqjo

I don't think Charlotte Jackson complained did she? Think he brushed it off as the joke that it was and carried on with her work. It's just surfaced as a way to get rid of Gray. It's not been out there on the internet since the incedent.

the first 25 seonds of that they are talking about whether she might be attractive or not - have you never done that about a female colleague or associate?

He's saying the words 'what do women know about the offside rule?' but he clearly means 'women have no place in football'. So in answer to your question, no I don't think he really thinks all women don't understand the rule.

Eh? Level surely? It's the facial grimace and "FEMALE LINESMAN?" which is the problem.

I'm sure there is something else here.

Didn't Keys apologise in Private?

I think Sky asked them both to apologise, Keys did, Gray refused (cos he's stupid).  Keys keeps his job.  Sky pull out all the other crap they have on Gray to ease public in.

I see what's happened here.

You were all behaving like the cavemen you are, then in popped Cavewoman with her club, and suddenly, everyone was "joking".

Nice backtracking boys. Must admit, I've rarely seen men pull out of a hole quicker than some of you managed it on here.

My work here is done, I'm going back over to Cos's diary to find the poison dwarf Pleno.

Carry on.

Gray sure is talking about how attractive she is.

IMO especially in this day and age women can do anything guys can do and everyone should be equal, no sexism, racism, ageism or any other ism


im feeling very moral right now

Yo cove I may have said it in a jokey way but I honestly believe women have no place in football as do probably most of the people who read this post. Obv some won't say so though

i've always hated his commentary/analysis, when he drags the player up and down the wing saying he'll be looking to do this, of course he fucking will, he's a winger.

haven't read the thread so don't know if anyone else has said but its pretty nailed on a conspiracy by newscorp as he was thinking about suing NOTW.

not in a million years does he desrve the sack for that.

I completely disagree Cos. Have many female friends who love football and can go toe to toe with any male friends on tactics, team selection, the lot. Met my ex-wife on the terraces and she knows her stuff too.

Absolutely no problem with women refs, assistants, coaches etc if they are good enough to do the job

With respect, I think your view is quite outdated.

Try telling this to the Williams Sisters who demanded equal pay in Tennis (and got it), yet only play the best of 3 and not the best of 5?!?!?!?

Oi It's Cougar now remember? 

And yes i agree - some won't admit it now.

bless 'em for having a go tho

Lawyers Schillings confirm they have been "instructed by Gray in relation to the termination of his contract by BSkyB"

Women don't understand football like we do though prewdiepants. If you're not a male you can't ever truly understand the male psyche. Likewise, after maybe primary school (if that) women never play football with guys, which is obviously a billion times the standard in many ways. Womens bodies aren't designed to do stuff in the same way as mens so they can never understand the game in the same way blokes can. For us its inbuilt, for them its learnt.

Gonna do a better post later when I'm not on the phone

pictures to back this point up pls

There are several world class managers out there who didn't play football past their early childhood. They seem to understand the game just fine.

Understand the male phyche better, how men move better (i.e. how the physical side of the game works) and thus probably command a lot more respect as a leader than a woman would.

Psyche and physique? Wtf? Respect as a leader? No need for female doctors/nurses/psychologists/bosses/prime ministers then?

More importantly did you never see "The Manageress"? ;)

I trained with some good women players in the states, pretty much everyone of them had played footy from an early age (2-3 years old). Their skills, understanding of the game was impressive, they could talk about formations, tactics all day and had a real passion. Most of them played for not only the University USF, but for state, regional, Olympic, national teams. Their life was footy, it paid for their education and set them up for life playing abroad or for the national teams. Given this there is no reason why they could not run the line or ref a game, they knew the rules so why not?

When my wife came over in '97 she played for the then champions Croydon, whose captain was a certain Ms Hope, now the English manager. My wife couldn't believe all the team were lesbians and went drinking all the time and had to work! they were so unfit and basically knew very little about the game...our lass then went to Arsenal where Mr Vic Akers who I nicknamed the frog (he never did lose that tag:P ) was running the show, it was professional in all but name. Most of the team were paid by Arsenal to do other jobs and trained most days, hence why Arsenal soon became the dominate team in the country and the likes of Croydon's old school lesbians approach became a thing of the past. Most of the top teams now are different gravy from 10 years ago. Young fit women who understand the game and can play a bit are all the rage. You can never compare it to the mens game :) so there is no point.

Yeah she was well fit for an old bird...

Andys sacked and united are loosing 2-0 at blackpool.. this day could not get much better

LOL I know women that can play football better than you can. I'm going by your current shape and your description in your diary of your attempts to play football.

Some of the women footballers are excellent.

I was quite good when I was younger. There is a woman that does work for us in the holidays and she is built better than you and can play football better than I ever could.

When I heard (read) the commentary yesterday It sounded like a bit of boys banter to me...nothing I've not heard before and will definitely hear again as I stand in the Cop freezing my mitts off week after week...Still though, when I saw the clip that got him sacked I just though....ewwwww WHAT A LEACH!!!!

I'm actually looking forward to replacing the albatross with some fresh meat...I've been bored by AG's negativity for a while now.

FWIW I'm good with banter and the offside rule...surprisingly many women are ;oD

xx

Level, surely?

Tbf to women, does anybody know what the offside rule is anymore ?

haha superb point.

Cos, football man, tell us the one about the celery again ....please

You got a celery tattoo?

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:)

PMSL!!! Don't talk about yourself like that...

xx

Every single female Chelsea fan I know knows the reason why Chelsea are associated with celery, after reading your answer in the Chelsea thread apparently you didn't,perhaps these female fans might be of the opinion that you have no place being in Stamford Bridge or calling yourself a Chelsea supporter if you don't even know basic stuff about Chelsea's history and the origins of certain traditions?

Andy Gray got sacked for making funny, tongue in cheek, stereotypical comments with colleagues who you would assume he is relatively close to.  I do that every day and have yet to be formally disciplined.

His facial expression when commenting on the female lino is totally irrelevant because, as anyone who has ever made a flippant, 'pretend to be serious' comment will know, this face is imperative to the success of said joke.  The recipient must believe you mean it...

If you watch closely, the microphone funny in the studio was met with a laugh from the female colleague.  Just as she goes off camera. Funny shit!

Some people need to get off their moral high horse and see these jibes as what they are.  Andy Gray's prowess as a pundit is totally irrelevant when he has been sacked for something everyone does in one way or another.

Mon the Gray!

im so impressed that you know every single female chelsea fan that i struggled to get past the first four words of your post.

+1

What a joke to get the sack for some off air comments than any bloke might have said. Ok, so they were stupid, but so what.

He didn't get sacked for the Sian Massey comments. He and Keys were reprimanded for that.

Sandy

Keys next ?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsaG3b9uVY

seems strange watching people we 'almost know' through there presenting saying things that we might joke with our friends about.

i liked 'seeing redknapp hanging out of the back of it'

nice.

lolol quality keys, why would he ever get fired for saying that though!  its like talking to ur m8 on ur dinner break!

I know, just the fact these are being released. Seems like somebody wants them gone.

Obviously you did,otherwise you wouldn't have mis-represented what I said,and I doubt I'm going to struggle past even one word of your posts anymore,lifes too short.

I think the FA are the most sexist of all.

The fact a woman lino is nearly unique is ridic.

And my guess is (as proven by the great offside decision she got absolutely right) she is probably miles better than most officials in the Prem League.

I'm glad Gray has gone, he seemed to think he is the star of the show now, when all we want to do is watch the game.

I haven't watched his pre or post match analysis for ages he irritates me so much. Unfortunately I can't couldn't avoid him during live commentary.

As for Keys, anyone currently emplyed by Sky Sports News could do his job. Far too self important for my liking. Stelling is 1000000 times better, hope he gets the gig (as long as he doesn't leave Soccer Saturday!)

Great thread btw.

forgot about Stelling, he is incred.

Does anyone else think Andy Gray's reported £2M p.a. salary might have some bearing on these developments?

where are all the leaks coming from? 

Every link I've tried to watch this on has been closed by YT...

xx

Unlike someone from Croydon to not want to argue.

wp

wales?

Might work now...

The second offence Gray was sacked for is obviously and totally worse than the first.

Making sexual overtones and belittling a female colleague is bullying pure and simple.

Whether or not he made the first gaffe, this behaviour was definitely more than enough to get him fired.

We can only hope!!

Heard someone say Andy Gray is taking legal action against the News of the World over alledged phone tapping, I don't suppose that could have anything to do with it.  ::)

No hint of sexism at all on the front page of the Scottish edition of the Sun today lol, it had a large picture of the referee's assistant concerned at a night out in short skirt. little top and looking rather hot with the banner headline of "Get them off" with two tiny pics of Gray and Keys making out it was all about them being taken off air last night. 

Do women have a place in football? Personally I think women are equal and have exactly the same right to be involved in the game as men. But football is historically a male dominated sport that has banter and ribbing running through it's veins in every changing room in every team on every pitch in the land. So I don't know how women can hope for equality in the sport if they require special protection from such banter. Whenever somebody new starts in any walk of life they get banter directed at them. There was a new lino that looked about 14yrs old last season. He got ribbed for looking like a child. It sends out the complete wrong message if you say women must be protected from banter...because they are women see and they can't cope. Andy Gray is not a decision maker at the FA so nothing he can say or do will prevent the development of women in football, his comments were off air to male colleagues who joined in the banter. None of those guys seriously think that a professional lino doesn't have the ability to flag offside because she is a woman. The best thing for any newcomer to do is to prove their worth ie get out on the pitch and make good decisions (which she actually did). But unfortunately the FA pulled her from tonight's game to protect her from anymore hurtful comments. See.

Also the other incident. Why can't Charlotte turn round and say nah Andy you creepy old man I'm not touching your bollocks. Make him feel like 2ft tall. This guy has lost his career due to commercial image worries and his salary as opposed to protecting women's rights. Sky have been quite pathetic in their stance because by overtly protecting women they have rendered them less than equals.

+1....we are all guilty of making off the cuff remarks about women but most of us are sensible enough to understand that those same comments would be inappropriate and could be deemed to be threatening and abusive in the company of those females.  He did it in a manner which was meant to demean her and make a joke at her expense.  He deserved to go on the basis of that alone.

 ;thankyou;

Sorry to spoil your narrative but the FA pulled her because they want the focus to be on the football and not on the officiating.

Have just read through the whole thread and just wanted to add that woman's football is rubbish, although at the highest level of the women's game it hits the dizzy heights of pretty rubbish. Some of the national level stuff is so rubbish it's funny. There are other woman's sports I do find watchable based on their sporting merits but footall isn't one of them.

As for female officials I have no problem with them at all and I am sure they can officiate as well as any man. After all those of us who are married men are already well aware women are never wrong.  ;)

She certainly does appear to be smiling at Gray, just as the camera cuts away .....as seen from the videos online.

 Interestingly,this isn't shown on the Sky news reports on TV.

Who would focus on the officiating? Would you? I wouldn't. I would be more interested in the game as I don't see any issue or problem with the officiating. But if you did want to focus your attention on the officiating at the expense of the football I'm sure you would conclude that the officiating was of a capable and professional standard. Thus I cannot accept your apology as you haven't spoilt my narrative.

Coz she's about to go live in about 4 seconds and her mental preperation shouldn't involve an old man's root vegetables.



I know dinosaurs and young un's alike who aggresively want women the fuck out of football. Since women are allowed in pubs now, football is the one area of their lives left where they can enjoy all male company. (Why exactly this is essential is a question for the psychologists, perhaps women spoil things when you want to take the piss out of poofters so you need to keep it all sausage)

I doubt the level of "banter" this chick has had to put up with throughout her officiating career and your 14 year old lookalike is at all comparable. Pretty obv that she can put up with it though as she's risen to the level she has.

The media presumably, the people with notepads and cameras. About 50,000 people in the country give a shit about the Crewe game and 5,000,000 want to see a picture of Sian at work so they can see if she looks upset or not.

The idea that media circus around linesman not fair on the players isn't too ridonkolous.

From the beeb news...

PGMO general manager Mike Riley said: "PGMO and Sian believe that with any football match the focus should not be on the officials but on the players and the game itself. That is only fair to those connected with the clubs and their supporters.

Presumably your 'they done her off the game coz they wanted to protect her from nasty men saying stuff' is your own conjecture?

Really? Andy Gray is relaxed and joking with his colleague 4 secs before he goes on air but she needs space to mentally prepare to read the sports news. Why? Like I said shooting one back at him to scramble his brain 4 secs before they go on air would be a neat trick. The Sky decision is designed to demonstrate how much they disapprove of the dinosaurs and youing uns you know and they've used Andy Gray who isn't either of those as a pawn to achieve that. Also, I hate to spoil your narrative but she's risen to the level she has because she's fit.

The FA pulled her because they don't want her making a mistake under the spotlight. I would trust her not to make a mistake and officiate well. Because she has been trained professionally. How will the decision tonight lessen the spotlight next week or the week after that. Thus should women ever be allowed to officiate again if the attention should be on the game and not the officials??

I hate to spoil your zingy zing zinger but second half of post is talking about the Sian Massey lineswomen chick and her career officiating football games.

I think it's unlikely that national attention will be focused on this story and it's derivatives indefinately.  There will be something new next week to talk about.

News tends to come up with new shit, maybe why it's called news (the 'hit' from 'new shit' being dropped back in the 1830s)

Oh ok, you have kinda spoilt my zingy zinger now thou cos I don't think the lino is fit at all

You have a source on this or is it purely your own conjecture?

Just to be clear, if it's the latter, then your narrative also assumes a second thing. That the FA (or PGMO or ASDA or whoever the fuck decides which ref goes to which park on a given day) would not do this if a male linesman was involved so heavily in the story of the sacking of a long standing Sky presenter.

:)

My narrative does assume that second thing. Cos if they took the same decision with regard to the male gender who would officiate the game? Did another female officate tonight? If so no problem with the decision. If not then they've decided it's not this lino that's the issue it's this lino's gender that's the issue. Very sexist imo.

Karen Brady's comments. Would ya smash her? I would....... ;D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12279233

I don't understand half the peoples views on here of Andy as a pundit/commentator.

Whenever i watch sky matches he sees things that no one else sees on the field, he makes remarks that are so far above what you hear from all other commentators and its like he knows whats going to happen before it happens. His analysis is brilliant too.

Fair enough he was a knobhead in these clips and maybe deserves to lose his job (i personally think an apology and a major slap on the wrist would suffice) but questioning his ability to do the job he does??? He is the best out there by a country mile!!!

Mondatoo says he is biased, and HitlerBoshi agrees but who on earth is he biased towards? Who is he supposed to support? I've never heard any biased and being the sad young man i am, i watch almost all of skys televised football games.

sigh, obv I'm on about pulling the individual from the upcoming game rather than all individuals of that gender.

That in Sian Massey's case pulling the individual pretty much is pulling the gender is a consequence or there not being a whole lot of female refs. (which in turn may well be the consequence of wifflewifflewifflewifflewifflewifflewiffle)

In fact the second part of your post makes no sense at all. About it being ok to pull a linesman that's in the news and wears bras from a game so long as you replace them with another linesman that wears bras.

To me it seems like insiders at newscorp/murdochs empire have decided to stitch him up by getting him to say unsavoury comments that were quite possibly tounge in cheek and then hang him out to dry as punishment for threatening to sue a branch of the company he worked for.

Hilarious that the sun will feature a huge headline about Gray being a sexist dinosaur on page one then when we have finished reading we will be able to turn the page and ogle a top heavy beautys fantastic tits. Probably

Look mate first off you've gotta start saying ref's assisant or lino as saying linesman is dinosaur behaviour. Also I am 100% the decision to pull was gender based. And making gender based decisions when you have power is much worse than making gender based remarks when you don't.

How do you know Andy Gray isn't one of those? By all accounts he's an arse in general not just to women.

100% of my desicions to pull are gender based.

Well, 99.5%, but I was very young and very drunk.

If you had the chance Baron. And think before answering. Would you like to smash the female lino, Karen Brady, or Charlotte Jackson best?

Actually you can't have Charlotte Jackson as I bagsy her for myself. Oh and I think Woodsey did bagsy Karen Brady. So I'm afraid you're left with smashing the lino Baron. Sorry mate.

From what I can see he's biased towards Ferguson, Allardyce, Hodgson and his other pals. So is Keys.

He's got a huge ego which for me sees his play by play turn into colour, Tyler's domain, as much as he can manage. He's awesome in great moments but over cooks really quite mediocre moments as though they're amazing. I remember reading Cloughie's book who stopped watching football whenever Gray commentated.

His analysis, for me anyway is pretty simplistic. Tactically he's more of a dinosaur than his views on women are. We know you think a footballer should play every game Andy but it's not 1985. 4-4-2 isn't the be all and end all, zonal marking is proven to work statistically in the right teams, a director of football may possibly be a thing of the future except in rare cases of genius managers and finally your cliches of "for me, this defender should be busting a gut" (wow, really?) or "I think (with the aid of my gadgets and hindsight) that he should have gone out to the left here instead of shooting, he makes the wrong choice here" - this is the best analyst in the country? I have to listen to this shizzle every week. IMO it's pretty low level.

In the commentary box he's pretty good at play by play but I'm rarely buying into his tactical "insight". He was offered to prove his worth at Everton and bottled it.

More love for this pls. 2-0 to Blackpool :D

wp

Agree with Rick Trigg and Horner itt

Agree with both Horneris and Baron. Think Gray is limited in his knowledge and past his best he's probably still one of the best Sky had. Alan Smith, Gary Birtles, Don Goodman etc are all pathetic and don't get me started on Waddle on ESPN.
Think the standard needs to be higher though.

Andy Grays replacement
Selection   Odds
Jamie Redknapp   
5/2
Graeme Souness   
7/2
Glenn Hoddle   
9/2
Ray Wilkins   
6/1
Chris Kamara   
10/1
Andy Townsend   
14/1
Alan Smith   
14/1
Matt Le Tissier   
16/1
Alan Shearer   
20/1
Phil Thompson   
25/1
Gabby Logan   
25/1
Paul Merson   
33/1

Honestly think Redknapp should be 2/5 here.

i wouldnt mind ray wilkins

I fucking hate Jamie Redknapp.

+1 zillion

I seriously don't get this whole thing, has the world gone mad??

All these leaks show the shady agenda from those up top, dare to sue for the phone taps and you'll be got rid of, rupes won't have that.

I love my football, but hate the monopoly sky have over the game, gray and keys made the whole thing bearable.

Gray on commentary was brilliant, always spot on, and biased- give me a break. LOL

Loved his studio analysis post match too, no doubt keys who is the perfect presenter wil be caned too, joke.

Big fan of stelling on soccer saturday where he is amazing, just hope he dsnt make any comments off air about his attractive countdown co-host rachel, couldn't stand to lose him too from sky, then i'd def cancel the thing.

Having said that when he presents live matches, i don't actually think he comes close to keys who is almost unnoticed when presenting live footy-the way the presenter should be imo, bar on a colourful talk/results show like soccer saturday.

Jees is banter not allowed anymore.

2011 = PC Central-meh. :(

They came for the racist football commentators but I didn't speak out, because I'm not a racist.

They came for the old lady presenters but I didn't speak out because I'm not an old lady.

They came for the sexist football commentators but I didn't speak out because I'm not a sexist.

Then they came for me... Nobody cared because I'm not on the telly...

It would be a new dawn in TV gold if Chris Kamara got the gig, could you imagine him trying to work all the the new bits of technological nick nack Gray had at his disposal?

Think Redknapp is nailed on, he seems the perfect choice, a bit of eye candy for the ladies and all that

I'm in Croydon, avoiding arguements. Not as rare as you think

Remf probably knows you then robert just like he/she knows every female chelsea fan.

Smith wouldn't be an improvement - he's a limited in his view as Gray.

There are plenty of very talented people (many of which aren't at Sky) who could do a very good job.  Please not Redknapp. Nice lad, very limited as a pundit.

Also, a lot of the 'insight' Gray comes came out with in the studio wasn't from his own analysis and the gray-metter (see what I did there, no, ok, moving on) - but a team of researches and background staff.

lol

ok I'll bite as once again you are trying to deflect from my point by twisting my words (bad form btw)

I didn't say I know every female Chelsea fan

I said every female Chelsea fan I know knows how the Chelsea/celery thing came about

unlike you

capich?

 

If Jonathan Pearce or David Pleat get airtime then you can kiss goodbye to my subs.

Andy Gray has been fantastic over the years, and while he has fooked up here, it strikes me like a bit of a witch hunt.  Sky need to be seen to be doing something about this because of the amount of negative publicity this has received.

Standard company line IMO.

Seems clear to me that some employees/bigwigs have an agenda here to get rid, and this is all the ammo they need.

lol @ Glenn Hoddle as a choice, replace the sexist with a guy who hates the disabled.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/capisce

Did you mean this ^^ ?

Twisting your own words now :)

I really think it's time that we moved football on and replaced Andy Gray with a woman

OK, who's hacked Guy's account?   rotflmfao

No I disagree. Football is a man's world.

He should be replaced by a younger, fitter bloke. Wearing just pants. Preferably something that looks a little like Heath Ledger (before he died obv) or Anthony keidis.

Just any fit bloke wearing pants IMO.

Whole thing is ridic.. First of all the comments were not broadcast on television..are we not allowed our own private opinions and thoughts any more? not one of us can say we have never made unworthy comments in private... and that goes for women to who can be far harsher than any man could imagine.. its obv okay for women to go on telly and belittle men' cos its funny'.

As for the other incident just lol..the woman just brushed it off as usual soppy old cock being cheeky.. if he'd been a fit young bloke she'd be lapping it up... and lets face it she has used her looks and sexuality to get the job in the first place..double standards as usual.

As for sian the linesman I have nothing but admiration for the girl...shes got more balls than most blokes i know, running that line with 25000 brummies screaming abuse at her when she gave that excellent ruling for the Liverpool goal... would love a mike on that crowd behind her who thought it was offside..did the police arrest anyone in that crowd?.. i bet the abuse was horrific...

Just sigh at this country..everyone throwing their toys out the pram over private throwaway comments but its okay to let terrorists and, rapists and murders roam the land....some people need to get a thing called perspective...

Great post sicili, but this made me laugh (not for the 1st time in this thread either)

Its like postman innit.... but think shes a top girl tbh....good luck to her

If she had made a fuss about it what would have happened? its like the whistle blowers they get more crap for reporting something than the person who did it. Gray was an established star on the channel, she thought it was most probably not worth it and would have had a negative effect on her and her career at the channel. No one likes to grass (unless its done anon like it seems was done to Gray).

The women I know wouldn't 'lap' anything up from work colleagues suggesting they tuck their bits in for them however 'fit' or 'age' the man was. If someone said that to my wife or Mum they would get a slap end of. Its easy to laugh it off but in any company that's a sacking offence and rightly so, I dont see what the fuss over this was, it is cut and dry. Gray most probably got away with this type of behaviour for a long time and people accepted it as a joke, but I can guarantee most didn't find it funny especially the people it was directed at.

NAIL ON HEAD

A lot of people need to get a life then...as they will spend most of their waking life being offended..

I think their is a huge difference between making jokes privately to asking someone to tuck you bits in for them infront of work collegues? or am I mad here?

Mea culpa  (sp?)

The managing director of a firm of lawyers I used to work out got sacked for a similar comment to one of his colleagues - so losing your job for it seems to be pretty standard.


also

If you're at home, it's in private

If you're at work - it's public

+1

In my profession you would be very lucky not to lose your job for what he said to that presenter. Anyone with half a brain knows that you just cannot say that in a professional working environment with a respectable company. Anyone who dismisses this obviously clearly has no clue about how people should be treated............

Then she should report him there and then..and he can be disciplined accordingly...losing your livelihood over it seems a bit Draconian..that's why you have warnings...obviously she was a lot less offended than some others..

How offended she was is irrelevant

As has already been mentioned whistle-blowers tend to get a hard time so it's not uncommon for homophobic, racist and sexist behaviour to not get reported by the recipients of it.

It's irrelevent what her actions were after it happened. It's also irrelevent how offended she may have been. I have outlined above why she may not have said something.

So what your saying is that this girl is actually intelligent enough and adult enough to take the situation at face value and that its some old Pratt trying to be funny, and that she has the right, because we live in a society where she has the right if she so chooses, to make a complaint and point out that she does not find his behaviour acceptable.... however your answer is to invoke violence as an answer...
 So making cheap innuendo is not acceptable but slapping someone is? 

I think your moral compass is slightly off centre...

It doesn't matter whether she was offended?

So let's say she wasn't, hypothetically, and the 15 seconds we saw was the end of 20 minutes of hearty banter within a successful well gelled team, and thats what makes them tick.

Then HR get hold of the tape and discipline him for it?

That is what you would expect is it? Because the joke as a stand alone is still sexist, aggressive, belittling is it not?

Richard Keys on Talk Sport in about 10 mins

Presumably the people making the actual judgement could see the 'joke' in context and make that decision.

If they had made a load of racist comments and no one there had been offended would that be ok?

I think we agree that it is not acceptable...however there is such a thing as context..... Do we think this is a straight sacking offense or is this in the office and warning type of thing... cmon we all make mistakes..we all say things we shouldn't but to lose your livelihood over it seems a little drastic.. say this was a normal guy with kids and a mortgage..is it fair who should lose his living ?

I think it's a case that he made so much cash because he was on telly and he's been sacked for this because he was on telly.

It does stink a bit, think sky have orchestrated this... it wasn't like big Ron coming out with it on national TV..this is behind the scenes and off air..and now sky deem it necessary to broadcast for all and sundry.... can you imagine some of the off the air comments from people.... its like having your messenger convo's cut and pasted..obv not meant for general consumption... we are all human beings with our own thoughts and like it or not prejudices... even the most righteous person has nasty thoughts, makes nasty comments and says unacceptable things....

Glass houses and stones comes to mind... every person who has got their knickers twisted about this is guilty of far worse...i guarantee it

+1

It's like ppl see a bandwagon and have to jump straight on it.

Sexually harassing someone not good. Slapping someone who did this to your loved one I deem acceptable, although not ideal. Nothing wrong with this way of thinking imo.

I know there is allot we don't know about the actual event, what Outragous says about the context of the event and if the leaked video was taken out of context etc. could give us a more in depth view on it.

I guess Sky have thought about it and took the decision they did based on facts we can only guess on. In the environment we work in today you get sacked for it, wether we think its justified or not.

I know of cases that have gone to court for similar acts...(I know its OTT but its true) I personally think Gray was a little naive at best and someone should have pulled him up over this and told him to be carful in future, there is always someone happy to see you fall on your face.

I think for Sky it would have been a case of getting it out there before someone else did to minimise the damage caused to their brand.

When you are a public face of a big brand you are going to be expected to uphold higher standards of conduct, he did get paid £2mill a year for that though.

Wilkins is booooooooooooring

Your not telling me in the last 20 years of sky they haven't got there top presenters recorded off air saying something they shouldn't...... Poor Andy first person to say something wrong and is outed immediatly

Maybe he's the first where someone with a grudge has got hold of a tape? Certainly I can't recall any other incidents...

Assistant ref Sian Massey is now known as 'Just for men'. Used once and the Gray has gone.

Only it isn't the first example is it.  There are three recorded examples of him showing sexist behaviour.

Just out of interest, and I am genuinely intrigued by the answer to this question

To those who believe that Gray (and anyone for that matter) should absolutely be sacked, are you therefore suggesting that anyone in any office in the country who tells a joke about a collegue, and causes a modicum of offense should be sacked?

I'll give an example

Barry and cos work in an office and Barry says "Oi cos, can you not sit over there today, your nose is blocking the sunlight coming through the window"

The joke is an absolute stand alone, we only know that these people are colleagues, and that the joke was said in jest, in a jovial tone and was followed by a hearty chuckle from Barry. Should Barry be sacked if cos reports this to HR?

id sack cos for having a big nose obv

No - but I would be very clear that sexist, racist, xenophobic and homophobic jokes are totally unacceptable and behaviour incorporating these that could be construed as bullying would result in immediate termination.

Presume he was on a final written warning? from the lino comments......so another warning is dismissal .

  Although the video is from December!? so not sure the first warning would cover all sexist behaviour??

There are different levels of offences, racism and sexual offences are right at the top of the list. If Cos took offence then Barry as a min would get a bollocking for bullying..........

I definitely think Barry should be sacked for laughing at his own jokes, that really is quite bad.

If Barry has seniority over Cos then it's workplace bullying, which should get you disciplined by HR.

racism, sexism and homophobia could easily be classed as gross misconduct and hence lead to instant dismissal - just bullying could be classed as gross misconduct but would probably be more likely to be classed as misconduct and result in just a warning.

Lol Keys kind of made it worse with his TalkSport interview, some mug caller on at the moment tho... says Andy Gray changed football because it was rubbish and boring before 1992 bahahahaahahahah!!!

Listening to Keys interview on TalkSport he has been well and truly setup. Taking the weekends events in isolation it really shouldn't have been a big issue.

Cliffs?

@ The Sicilian.

+1 everything you've said in the last 5 pages

now can we get back to mindless sexism pls, much more fun to rail

kthnx

What everyone here is totally missing is this kind of sexual innuendo/bullying/harassment is against the law end of, neither your or my opinion matters. If you don't believe me go and read your employment contract. You can get done for stuff a lot more innocent than this.

The 'press' incorrectly reported when he apologised to the lineswomen (he had had a good chat with her on Sunday afternoon where he apologised to her and she accepted this). They reported it happened on Monday after it was made public, making him look like he reacted to the events to calm the storm.

He was not allowed to make a statement fully apologising on Monday, he does not know why he was not allowed to do so.

He admits to being wrong and does not justify his conversation he had regarding women.

As for Karen Brady she refused to answer his phone calls to apologise. I don't think he was out of order to have a go at Brady as she was crying sexism over some crap in the papers the day before and he didn't agree with her over this and simply expressed it to Andy. Nowt wrong with that. I am sure Brady will make a huge fuss over this to cover up the fact she has treat Avrim like dog shit for months, she is more than happy.


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/news/a300333/richard-keys-blames-dark-forces-for-storm.html

I know the law, but I know when somethings being blown up out of proportion to hang people out to dry. At worst the events (not taking any other videos which has now appeared into the argument) over the weekend deserved a bollocking, warning and maybe cooling off period. Not front news press coverage :) and a mass debate over women in the game etc...

But they were perfectly within their rights to sack him. I know several people who have been sacked for a lot less, including a girl who was saying suggestive stuff to a bloke who took offence! The press coverage is just a side effect of all of it that got out of hand, standard newspaper tittle tattle..........

Yes they are within their rights so sack them both, but something does not add up and it does question wether sky have other motives behind this and not letting Keys have his say and apologise early on.

Same, same as in real life. If they don't like someone and want to get rid of them they will find a reason, happens all the time, people are only getting their knickers in a twist because its a high profile person.

FYP

Just want to point out that the FA do not have a single female on their board of directors and Sky have one single Dame on theirs in a minor obscure position. The FA control football and Sky broadcast football and both boards have clear gender bias towards men. There is a whole lot of fuss concerning a lame comment from some fat balding potato head football stats man who has zero power and is completely harmless to the development of women. But the people who have the power to make and shape the game have institutional and fundamental gender bias in their very make up. I really don't think we need to be taking lessons from these people ref how to treat women in the workplace.

Sorry to kinboshi. I didn't realise the made up msn conversation would cause offence.

I thought it would be pretty obvious it wasn't real. Obviously a misjudgement.

Consider yourself sacked  :)

So with Kinboshi now sacked does this also mean the end of the Soccerette on Soccer Am, Pc Britain taking over all and how!

It would be a new dawn in TV gold if Chris Kamara got the gig, could you imagine him trying to work all the the new bits of technological nick nack Gray had at his disposal?

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THIS ;oD

xx

I re-read this twice trying not to agree with it, but sigh I do
Mantis...
+1
:)

All over twitter (so must be true) that Keys is to resign

If people heard some of the convos we have at work I could be sacked. I work with a gay guy and a black guy. We get on great, I often make gags that people hearing in isolation would consider homophobic/racist however I'm fat and bald they give me stick and we all give and take it as much as each other (the gay guy takes the most).

I consider both great friends and in context it's all just banter. Out of context it would sound bad. I'm not recorded at work so fingers crossed I won't get the boot.

Msn convo between me and sovietsong;

Cos says: yo chris
Soviet says: yo cos
Cos says: how are you?
Soviet says: I'm well thanks, you.
Cos says: very good mate.

Are you the token white fella in the bank?

Mantis is right imo, there are many more Windmills that could/should be tilted at ahead of people as lame as Keys and Gray.

I've never liked either of them and Gray's sacking definitely makes me smile a bit cause I've always thought he was such a pompous twat. But I don't like the way they are being hung out to dry with tiny clips that have virtually no context which makes it hard to judge them completely fairly and rationally.

lol, at Sicilian - 30 Alf Garnett stylee mini rants without an ounce of sense in any of them xx

I've just read that Rupert Murdoch is in town and is settling scores so it sounds a lot like NH GG WP Andy Gray...

Another MSN convo between me and cos.

Chris says : Hiya xx
Cos says : CEA TEEEEA VEEEE!!!
Chris says: sup
Cos says : how's miggy G.
Chris says : good.
Cos says : you grinding?
Chris says : doing my bollocks
Cos says : I'm racist
Chris says : gotta post this on blonde.

Convo between me and evilpie:

Matt says: yo mate
Cos says: easy bud
Matt says: brb

convo between me and Sov:


Chris says: alright, love?
Claire says: sexist twonk

So glad I dont use msn

Convo between me and george2loose

Chris says : hi mate
Chris says : r u there?
Chris says : buddy you there?

Richard Keys has resigned

Oh dear

Gray and Keys have been asking for video replays for years.

Sandy

Convo between me and Cos:

Cos says: you're the best
Mantis says: i know
Cos says: no seriously
Mantis says: Yeah i know
Cos says: teach me
Mantis says: no

lol

 ;D

you missed the last line, rest was true though. Confirmed.

I can break em down into words containing no more than 5 letters if it helps...  ;D

Keys has resigned, so no doubt they will be going as a package to ITV

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGq1uaCwidI

lol good timing

Anyone think it would be great if Keys and Gray had a show where they brought on guests and talked about random things like football, female linos, hot sky sports presenters, who Jamie Redknapp would and wouldnt smash etc?

I've been asking work colleagues questions about what they've smashed for a couple of days now. I don't think it's gotten old yet. Looking forward to today.

Louise Glass in the paper today. She was the girl that Keys asked Redknapp if he had smashed. She apparently sobbed in front of the TV when she heard the remarks and was "utterley sickened" that Keys would ask whether 20 yrs ago her boyfriend smashed her. In floods of tears she is said to be consulting her lawyers. Grow up love! Second, Jeremy Darroch the chief executive of Sky blasted the comments saying "It goes against everything Sky Sports stands for and the culture and environment we're trying to create." Sorry Jeremy but you've been chief exec at Sky for 4 years and Keys and Gray are known to be have been like this throughout your time so gg at your effectiveness in the job. The whole thing stinks.

Funny stroy from Jeremy Clarkson about the Top Gear team on location noticing a very attractive paramedic on the crew. Every day they go to her with a different ailment and she offers the appropriate treatment. On the last day Hammond goes to her and says "My willy tastes funny". No doubt the paramedic will sob if she reads that and Hammond the sexist will be sacked.

It seems people cant have a private convo now without the thought police coming down on them.... i mean theres never been a convo between a couple of women like this :

did you fuck that John the other night ?
yep
bet you loved that horny bastard hanging out the back of you?
yeah it was ok but his cock was a bit small

( girls roll about laughing )

can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but for me it's the objectifying of the women being spoken about in cases like this that makes me cringe.  see it on the forum now and again too - it's wound me up but there's no point commenting on it and enduring a backlash.  'hanging out of her' or 'smashing her', although not the nicest turns of phrase, are head and shoulders above 'hanging out of it' and 'smashing it'

maybe i'm naive, but there seems to be a suggestion on this thread that all men refer to women in that manner when talking among themselves.  I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I'd say a majority talk like this, not all but def a majority.

Cmon claire..and when girls get together they don't use their own phrasing objectifying men..... ive heard convo's between women regarding sex and males.... make ur hair curl LOLZ

Claire promise me never to work on the rail way.  Sayingthat though we all have a right lol. We were saying today we would all be sacked if we were ever recorded in the mess room.

i've never referred to a bloke as 'it'.  it'd usually be by his name, or 'the guy' or something.  off the top of my head i can't think of any conversations where my friends have either.  maybe you move in different circles to me :)

TV studio whilst miked up = [ ] private convo

[ ] This is the first time anything like this has been caught off air on miked up people

Is this some bizarre girl sexual reference ?

Surely it's only a small % of men that refer to women as "it"?  I can't recall myself or my circle of friends ever referring to women like that and I don't think I've overheard people use "it" either.   

The 'it' thing is definitely a bit sick and not nice to hear.

Would tend to think anyone using this terminlogy about a person probably a budding offender or suffering hugely with esteem issues

Tbh I think the phrase 'would you smash it' and similar is just a phrase that has crept in and stuck, rather than a deliberate attempt to demean women and call them 'it'.

Well I know I am not normal in so many ways and think I can claim to be in your minority, however this may be one of those rare cases where your majority is smaller than the minority. (Cliff - your wrong)

you've obviously never been to Barnsley

I hear people say it all the time, in the 40 and younger group its is def the majority.........

Can people who don't believe groups of young lads out on the pull refer to girls in ways which their mothers wouldn't appreciate please wake up!

And can those who don't think girls might do the same in drunken female company do the same please!

Kthxbye!

no one's saying they don't believe it - we see it/hear it often and no one here lives in a bubble.  it's the suggestion that it's 'the norm' among a majority, and therefore should be considered acceptable, that's being questioned.

FYP ;)

I ain't young mate, but even amongst my age group I hear it lots, and the people I hang with are all sensible professionals, not random fuckwits.

Richard Keys would not have asked Redknapp if he smashed his current wife. When men talk about meaningless casual sex it is common for them to objectify the process. It's not really anything to do with the woman herself which they prob don't know anything about personally, and it's not anything to do with damaging a woman's progress in the workplace or respecting her rights. It's about the carnal thoughts of loveless sex. If a woman or for that matter a man indulges in emotionless shagging I don't know why they demand the right to retain the respect of everybody who hears about it. To be branded a sexist for such comments is ridiculous.

Judging by the coverage on the non-sports pages the sexism stuff was just an opportune reason to get rid of them.

Some of the bullying stuff that's been claimed is disgusting. If true, the new Sky Sports Chief Exec deserves a lot of credit for removing the poison ruthlessly.

Call centre been busy this week with complaints.

Have heard of conversations starting like this: "I want to cancel and I don't want to speak to b****y woman!"  :D

If more men didn't have this attitude more women would be open to casual sex. Thanks ! ;)

When I worked at the call centre at the bank an old fella rang up and spoke to one of my female colleagues. He was shocked that a woman worked at the bank and demanded to speak to a man.

The girls manager was a woman as was her manager, after speaking to both and him using some inappropriate language we closed his accounts.

I would say that it is the majority......our lot use this term all the time.....not proud of the fact, but the phrase "smash it" has been used for years, prior to that it was "nail" "barrell" etc etc

This is only used in lads talk and happens up and down the land I'm afraid.  You don't honestly think guys say stuff like " Hi mate, did you make love to the pretty girl last night" do you?

In fairy land they do apparently  :D

no of course not, and i don't take any exception to whatever words people want to use as slang for fking someone tbh, just saying it makes me cringe when I see the word 'it' used instead of 'her' - presume it's more of a showing off thing among blokes?  I dunno, that's what I'm trying to understand.  And it's not always in relation to talking about conquests - there was some post on one of the 'fit women on telly' threads on here a year or so ago where someone had put up a picture of a woman who, quite frankly, looked like she probably had an eating disorder.  A few of the guys commented that she looked like she needed a good meal, and someone replied along the lines of 'why would you want to ruin that by feeding it?".  Just horribly demeaning language to use imo, and I don't really get the point of it.

The word 'it' has just slipped in there as part of the phrase, its not there as a deliberate attempt to demean women. There are a bunch of other phrases that you could probably pick through and find similar stuff where no bad meaning is intended, its just that this has been highlighted by the media. I'm trying to think of an example but can't just at this moment in time.

I've just bought the new Fifa 2011 game for my PS3.

It's so realistic, my missus walked in and Andy Gray told her to fuck off back to the kitchen. :)

Perhaps it goes back to caveman times when men went about bonking women on the head. Primeval instincts we can't control. Anyway, I don't know why it matters so much to women what men say when they get together. It's all bollocks really. Guys lie about the size of the fish they catch, their golf handicap, and their penis length, and when we talk about sex we are all prancing stallions between the sheets. It doesn't mean anything. The reality is chimpanzee Keys only smashes his loyal wife and I can't see potato head Gray being much of a ladykiller. Women should just nod knowingly to themselves that guy talk is just guy talk.

A female journalist asked this week if women can handle equality. Not sure, but nice to also read the female lino is "recovering at home" and being "comforted" by her fiance after her "distressing week". In reality I reckon there should be many more women in the boardrooms of major companies where the real sexism exists and I don't think it helps the situation for women in business to be portrayed as weak emotional figures likely to get upset or feel demeaned by a couple of ageing muppets.

Haha, new fb status sorted tks.

Maybe that's the problem...snobbery at it's elitist, though I'm also in 'your' age bracket and go to football and everything and never have i heard one of the boys referring to someone they were or possibly were with as 'it'...it just would never happen as they'd get a punch from the person they said it to...might be a local thing but not where I'm from...

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Meh, all I can say is its so standard I would not even notice it being said, don't know what else to say really............

It's like middle class 'bouquet' instead of bucket syndrome....I blame the Mail readers...really, I do!!

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Fuck knows mate, I don't really read any papers tbh, I'm sick of the spin I prefer to form my own opinion..........

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I think it and someone posts it

Not sure if this has been covered in the thread, but quite amusing to remember that the object of Key's sexist comments, Karren Brady, works for arch pornographers Sullivan and Gold.

Why do posts get deleted?

It's ok though because I can steer Tank back onto the righteous path. Mate, I see men and women as equals. I am passionate about equality. A male linseman would dust off dumb comments like "you don't know what you're doing" with the minimum of fuss. Refs abilities get questioned all the time, but their professionalism means they are hardened to such criticism. They wont go home and cry themselves to sleep because the crowd sang the referee's a wanker. So I give Sian Massey equal credit for having the same level of professionalism and strength of character as any man. I would say she's quite a tough cookie to have entered this profession and risen to the level she has. I am sure she has readied herself for these battles.

Instead, in her moment of reckoning she is portrayed as a tearful forlorn creature. If you want the press to manipulate you into thinking this obvious battler is an emotional wreck after a couple of muppet comments that's your choice. But I don't buy it. I don't think she's had the sort of week she needs to be recovering from. I think she's had the sort of week she was expecting and was prepared for. I think both men and women can handle negative comments in their professional capacity equally. But if you buy into the news that the lino is devastated in the face of mild adversity you allow women generally to be portrayed as weak and that ultimately harms their progress. Can women handle equality? Sure they can, and the lino should be allowed to go out there and do her job just like anyone else. So whilst you may revel in the role of knight to the rescue of women that sort of attitude only harbours the type of sexism you're supposedly attacking.

Also I didn't get the bit about nuggets.

here is a classic example!

This was posted on Cos' thread this morning by Gatso

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she's gonna think you're a proper moron. how's she supposed to give an opinion if you don't make it clear whether you've got hearts?

gl with the legover tonight
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This is what is known as a joke, or tongue in cheek comment, or even a turn of phrase

The girl in question has been referenced many times on Blonde this week, and she is even a good friend of a blonde members girlfriend - ergo - offense could easily be caused - nay people might even offer to smash his face in!

However, its a joke, it should be taken that way. No offence is meant to the girl in question. Its a passing comment at best.

Should we hang gatso out to dry for insinuating that this girl is easy (i could go on - you decide)

she's gonna think you're a proper moron. how's she supposed to give an opinion if you don't make it clear whether you've got hearts?

gl with the legover tonight
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This is what is known as a joke, or tongue in cheek comment, or even a turn of phrase

The girl in question has been referenced many times on Blonde this week, and she is even a good friend of a blonde members girlfriend - ergo - offense could easily be caused - nay people might even offer to smash his face in!

However, its a joke, it should be taken that way. No offence is meant to the girl in question. Its a passing comment at best.

Should we hang gatso out to dry for insinuating that this girl is easy (i could go on - you decide)
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I vote that we should.

I also vote that we hang me out to dry (though I can't see any way in which my post is insinuating that she's easy tbh, I may however go back and edit it so that it is)

I thought it implied cos wanted to get his legover and that he'd need some luck to achieve this.

Mantis, deleted my post because 5 minutes after I wrote it I felt it was a bit too flamey. I offer an apology but trust that you won't need to take time off to recover. :)

The fuck-ed upness of the week to which I refer is not so much because it would upset her what two Sky blokes had to say, but about her whole life getting turned upside down as a result.

She may be used to getting shouted at by folk in the stands on a Saturday when she's doing the lino thing, but probably not so used to being shouted at by reporters on a Tuesday when she goes out to get some milk.
Also might be stressed with regard to her future in football and all kinds of other hassle that comes from being thrust into the public eye on such a scale.

I'll concede she might be taking it all in her stride, I don't know. Fair to describe her week as being pretty fuck-ed up though.

why do you type fucked as fuck-ed?

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I have recovered now but at the time I was tearful and distressed :)

Maybe she did have some fuck-ed up week. My argument is the media want to sell us this continuous lady in distress story regardless of how far from reality it might be. Redknapp's ex who Keys asked if he smashed was tearful when she heard those comments, Charlotte Jackson was upset and angry about Andy Gray's remark, Sian Massey is devastated, both wives of the pundits are upset and confused. That's a whole lot of upset women. I kinda feel the media, which is owned by men, paint women in a rather emotionally weak way. It doesn't really matter whether Massey shed a tear or not. If the media emphasised the toughness of her character instead of the supposed weakness it would be more beneficial to the image of women. Strong and able to cope with anything. The media just want to feck Keys and Gray over so they're looking to exaggerate the upset caused. But the bi-product of their strategy is a negative spin on how women cope with adversity. That negativity keeps women out of the boardroom, and in this specific example prob discouraged a lot of potential young female refs from coming into the sport. Pretty ironic negative gender bias in the way the press have reported this story. Laughable really.

can OP amend titled to Andy Gray Sack-ed?

Apparently, Richard Keys and Andy Gray are to return with...TalkSport.

A perfect match.

Awesome

Should be good, will listen.

What about H & J ???

On before them, 10am to 1pm

What about Parry and Graham! I enjoy their banter

Edit: nooooo, Porky Parry's moved on :(

As in Sacked/Released?
So sad :(

Dunno, just been a top man from Talk Sport on who said that he's decided to leave the station.

Seems all of a sudden, he was on at the start of last week, then all of a sudden he was away, and now has left!  

looking at his Wiki page (obv the truth!) his show was scrapped and on the same day he quit the station.  Something funny is afoot!

Quite looking forward to it. Listener interaction will make or break them I reckon. Could be just what they need.

TalkSport still owed by sky?

Talk sport is owned by the wireless group.