Happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to you and yours Tony 

Have a good Xmas m8, hope you and the clan are all well!

Thank you, hope you and your families are well.

Well that should calm things down a bit ...... Have a pop at people who use THIS forum, AND people who spend a lot of time at a computer.

1)   No “pop” at anyone. If you are into forums, that your choice and I respect that.
2)   I spend as much time as anyone on a computer as using them are a major part of my job.

p.s the word is "pander", not pamper.



Pomposity must be catching....

Sorry about that. But what does it matter anyway, you seemed to have missed the point about what I am saying. And with regard to "pompous". So, I come across as pompous in the written word. I'll survive (hopefully long enough to get to the bottom of whats been going on with the charity).

Thank you for posting and expect to hear from you again at some time in January (another 18 days or so). 

It may be another 18 days, who knows?  But it WILL be done as soon as possible. I can do no more.



In short, give it a rest guys. I - along with Andy - really do want to sort this out.

Hi.

I am not a big user of forums and never have been (see number of posts on this forum), but was made aware of this thread by a friend who contacted me, and am replying as soon as i could have done.

After the meeting with Tony & Tom we (Andy & myself) asked Davey for financial information to be sent to us. This has not been done as Davey is in Wales to be with his father who is very ill.

When Davey does return and sends said information Andy & I will, at the first opportunity, go through that information.  But please understand both Andy & I have our own business' to run and cannot - and I mean no offence to anyone - drop everything to pamper to members of this forum.  We too want to see this resolved as soon as possible, and will do this as quickly as possible.

I must express disappointment at the way Trace has been treated by some posters on this thread, and appreciate Tokay's comments on the matter.  I as a trustee have not "Hung her out to dry", and resent that accusation.  It is simply that I do not sit at a computer all day posting on forums.

As for the subtle digs at me personally, I too have broad shoulders !

May I wish you all a Merry Christmas & a happy New Year.

Tony Banbury

Now Then - Now Then.

Having read the press release regarding the cancellation of the Rivercard festival, detailed below is my reply which I have copied and pasted into this section as this section seems far more popular, and I would be interested in others thoughts.


Now Then - Now Then.

It may - but probably may not - surprise you to hear. That it is people within this industry who are constantly lobbying government to maintain, and even further restrict, tournaments like these.  This also applies to card rooms etc.

It does'nt take a genius to work out who it is, and while all this goes on, we line their pockets.

Think about it.


Whats your views?

Now Then - Now Then.

To GlasgowBandit.
I would have loved to have got a ruling from the TD, but as I previously stated, the flop had been dealt. I am unaware a new flop could be dealt.
Hope someone will enlighten us on that point

Now Then - Now Then.

In reply to the tank who said "Yes, so don't", does that mean don't touch the table with any part of your body at all?  Then how can I pick up my cards?

And yes, this is pedantic 

Now Then - Now Then.

Thank you for the replies which I have taken on board.  However, I wish to answer a question raised by one of the reply's, and clarify the situation to the others.

To bolt pp.
During the whole length of the tournament (some 6hrs) when in the big blind and not wanting to raise, i verbally announced "NO RAISE". This was no exception with the particular table I was on (with the same dealer).

To AdamM.
It was not the small blind  who complained, but the guy behind the button  .  The small blind was the short stack, and with 6,000 invested was always going to get his remaining chips in (imho) with his ace.

To Matt674.
There was no point complaining at that time as the dealer had already dealt the flop before I had chance to seek a ruling from the TD, although that 'should' have been my right (again, imho).  At that point the guy behind the button would have seen he had made a straight.

In closing, it could be said the guy behind the button intentionally limped in with the idea of raising the complaint 'if' I announced raise. But in that we will never know.  However, let me leave you with this senerio (hope thats spelt correctly).  You are in the big blind as I was.  You turn round to take a drink, and as you return to play your hand, at the moment your hand touches the table, someone says the same. Afterall, no matter how lightly you touched the table, it could be construde as a tap, could'nt it?

Now then - Now Then.

Have just returned from a tournament in Blackpool with the distinct feeling of being robbed to the point of being ready to kill anyone with 50yds of me, and also to a certain extent, cheated. Allow me to explain.

There are 27 players left in the event, with an average stack of 30,500, and I am in the big blind with 41,500. The hands are folded to the guy behind the button who flat calls for 6,000. At that point I see I am holding  . I immediately start humming to the tune of "Mack The Knife" whilst tapping the beat on the table rail, this was done to give the impression i am not interested in the hand (I had done this numerous times during the evening, and had won a good size pot earlier in the night using this tactic).

The button - who is also table chip leader - calls, as does the small blind. At the very point he says call, I stop humming and tapping and announce "Raise".
The guy behind the button says I cannot raise, as I have checked by tapping the rail. The dealer agrees and immediately turns over the flop to reveal  . The small blind raises all-in for another 9,000. At this point I see no point in carrying on complaining, and push in all my chips as I need to push the others off their hands, leaving me "heads-up with the small blind.

The guy behind the button immediately pushes his stack in for 55,000. The button then states that although he reckons he has us all beat, is folding his  because of 2 threats (me and guy behind him) to his potential call. We are "on yer backs" and I find guy behind button has  off suit, and has made the straight. The small blind has  (gutshot straight draw). Turn comes  , river  and I am out.

I feel I was robbed because if I had been allowed to raise (an obvious play so as not to let anyone catch an ace on the cheap, and go in front), the guy behind button would have folded ( ), the button ( ) would call (he feels he's in front after all, and now would have only 1 threat to his stack, namely, me), the small blind would still have called preflop for the pot odds value he was getting by having an ace in the hole, and I would have won a pot of 116,000.

The cheating element is in the guy behind button insisting I had checked, as he could under no circumstance call any raise with his hand (why was he there in the first place), and therefore gained the cheap flop under false pretences.

Its not so often I make a totally serious post on this forum, but in this case feel it neccessery, and would like to hear others thoughts, and also detail the percentages I would have had to win the hand under "normal" circumstances.

On flop of  :
Button ( ) = 9.63%
Small Blind ( ) = 26.14%
Big Blind ( ) = 61.13%

And on turn (being  ), these percentages went further in my favour as follows:
Button ( ) = 4.76%
Small Blind ( ) = 16.67%
Big Blind ( ) = 78.57%

As I write this post a mate has MSN me with the following, which he found on the net:
"Angle-Shooting" definition

Angle-Shooting - Using unfair tactics.

Usage: A poker player who uses various underhanded, unfair methods to take advantage of inexperienced opponents. The difference between an angle shooter and a cheat is only a matter of degree. What a cheat or thief does is patently against the rules; what an angle shooter does may be marginally legal, but it's neither ethical nor gentlemanly. Nor is it in the spirit of the game. Unfortunately, poker is not a gentleman's game. In addition to learning how to protect yourself against cheating players, you must learn to watch out for the angle shooters.

Now Then - Now Then.

Thanks Jezza.  Your comments - as per the others as well - are appreciated.

Now Then - Now Then.

In reply to your questions in your post.

I thought it a bad play to only re-raise 1200 with  , as if the 3rd 8 had not flopped he would have invested 2100 chips and been nowhere unless the flop came 7 high (and then he could be facing a bigger pair).

True he could have held  .  However, having played him on numerous occasions, he tends to lump it in with that, hence why i felt he had the 3 hands mentioned in my original post.

Then again, i agree i played it badly, and have learned a lesson (on of many).

But was such a small re-raise with  a good one?  Looking forward to your comments m8.

Now Then - Now Then.

Allow me to run this one by you.

7 handed table.  I'm on button with .  Blinds are 150-300, and one middle limper to me.  I raise making it 900 to play, SB re-raises another 1200 (small re-raise imho).  BB folds, limper folds.  Before hand started i had 4700, SB had 5300.

I put him on either ,   ,   , and elect to call fdor the other 1200.

Flop comes   .  He bets 500, and i now think if he had the   , he would have checked. So i raise all-in.

Was I correct, and if not, what would you have done ?


Incidentally, he called like a shot with   for a set.  Turn and river wave me goodbye to the tournament.