I have been asked to post this:  (Don't shoot the kin messenger please!)


 
Poker4Charity - This was merely a name we came up with when we held our first event in Newcastle over 5 years ago, we never thought at that stage we would register it as a charity. After talking to a few poker pro's they suggested we should try and get charitable status.
 
When it came to registering a name for the charity, the charities commission would not accept the name Poker4Charity as it did not represent what our mission statement was about. Plus poker was not allowed in the name as it was gaming.
 
So we came up with the name Game For Life - This was done because all of the children we had met were indeed Game For Life.
 
The name Poker4Charity still exists as many people knew it as that and we already had a paid forum in the P4C name.

I see Trace/Ang - thanks for the response.

Two final questions from me...

Why weren't the fund raising events held as G4L events then, as this is the actual registered charity? Poker4Charity is a campaign of G4L, so if it's a fundraiser that P4C is putting on the money goes to G4L, P4C do not hold any bank accounts. NSPCC are currently running a Stop for Tea charity event, every different fundraiser will have a different name relating to the fundraising event.

In the future will fund raising events be held under the G4L banner where the monies collected will be shown in full transparency? P4C just relates to G4L activities within the poker world, and therefore if G4L hold a golfing event it will come under the name of Golfing4Charity, Yes all money collected will be shown in the way previously posted on P4C forum and also on Blonde forum.

I have been asked to post this:  (Don't shoot the kin messenger please!)

thanks Trace, but really they should post themselves shouldn't they? It doesn't look too good does it, hiding behind you (even though you represent them like a good 'un!)

I actually asked Trace to post this, as I didn't know when I would be getting online, and I am in no way hiding behind anyone,and have never felt the need to hide behind anyone. I thought you would rather have the answer sooner rather than later.

So is it possible to give us an idea as to when the other answers will be available?
Thanks
Tracey

Why don't you compile a list of questions you want answered, like someone suggested a while ago, and we can work through them.

Ang

I have been asked to post this:  (Don't shoot the kin messenger please!)

thanks Trace, but really they should post themselves shouldn't they? It doesn't look too good does it, hiding behind you (even though you represent them like a good 'un!)

I actually asked Trace to post this, as I didn't know when I would be getting online, and I am in no way hiding behind anyone,and have never felt the need to hide behind anyone. I thought you would rather have the answer sooner rather than later.

I took my wife Claire down to Climping (near Littlehampton) for a couple of days break for her birthday at the weekend and found a certain local brewery makes an interesting lager.



Apologies for the poor quality of the photo, I really should upgrade my phone, but it tasted great!

Wish Claire a belated birthday from me.

Silver Mercedes from TGI Friday's has to be one of the best cocktails.........or ask Claire about the ones we had in Newcastle costing £36 for 3 drinks  

Ang

and it was our first holiday away from the children.

Are you forgetting i tagged along? lol.

Is now the right time to post the video of Davey dancing on Freemont street?

How about the one of you dancing in the Bellagio with Rob??

Sssh we never speak of that video.

Fun times.

Oh it's the 'What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas' ??

Ang

and it was our first holiday away from the children.

Are you forgetting i tagged along? lol.

Is now the right time to post the video of Davey dancing on Freemont street?

How about the one of you dancing in the Bellagio with Rob??

Ange,

When you and Davey were in Las Vegas at last year's WSOP was that trip paid for entirely or in part by P4C or was it purely a holiday and paid for by yourselves?

Bang out of order, downright nasty, and post should be removed!!


EDIT:  Nah leave it there!! 

Not at all, its a legitimate question. I remember Davey saying something along the lines of "it wont be much of a holiday as i have some P4C business to do out here."

I don't see anything wrong with asking and frankly the way you are trying to label me and other people on this thread as being nasty in all this takes the piss. I think its you who looks daft telling everyone to remove posts left right and centre. I'm not baiting you in any way, I'm just fed up with your lack of ability to enable a sensible discussion of the facts to take place without chucking your toys out of the pram whenever you see something you don't like.

Davey did have a couple of meetings out there which I didn't mind, it meant I could have sometime to myself which is very rare with having 4 children, and it was our first holiday away from the children. The main reason for us going was for Joe and Claires wedding.

Trace probably read the post as I did, and I took it as an intrusion into my private life, which frankly is no one elses business but my own.

Ang

Ange,

When you and Davey were in Las Vegas at last year's WSOP was that trip paid for entirely or in part by P4C or was it purely a holiday and paid for by yourselves?

That was paid for by ourselves as a birthday present for me from Davey, and also to attend Joe Beevers wedding.

TBH I think your question was bang out of order, I don't question you where you go for holidays.

Ang

North Angel (Ang...) wrote.....

Basically I have more involvement in organising poker events for P4C then the day to day running of G4L, although I am a volunteer for G4L as all funds raised from P4C go to G4L.

Ang

This is the crux of so many concerns, we don't grasp the need for three "arms", (Game for Life Enterprises Ltd, Game for Life (the Registered Charity) & P4C (??) ) but we'll put that on the "ask Andy" list!

Ok I will try and clear this up...I hope

Game For Life is the Charity.

Poker4Charity is simply a campaign of the Charity. Poker4Charity is just a name applied to poker events that raise funds for Game For Life.

Game For Life Enterpirses Ltd is a wholly owned trading company of the Charity Game For Life. 100% of its shares are owned by the Charity. It was set up on advice of the Charities Lawyers in case Game For Life  ever wished to trade in any significant manner i.e if it ever decided to open High Street shops, Internet Cardroom etc.

Ang

cheers Ang.

Im a bit confused regarding Andy and big slicks involvement in the charity set up. As I understood it Davey was the head of the charity and organised the events. In the chain of command(for want of a better phrase) does Davey report to the other two guys or do they report to Davey?


regards

Bobby,

Andy is Chairman of Game For Life, Tony is a Trustee for Game For Life, Davey is CEO for Game For Life, and Davey is answerable to both Andy and Tony.

Ang

Game for Life Enterprises Ltd, or Game for Life, the Registered Charity?

I believe it to be correct for both.

Ang

North Angel (Ang...) wrote.....

Basically I have more involvement in organising poker events for P4C then the day to day running of G4L, although I am a volunteer for G4L as all funds raised from P4C go to G4L.

Ang

This is the crux of so many concerns, we don't grasp the need for three "arms", (Game for Life Enterprises Ltd, Game for Life (the Registered Charity) & P4C (??) ) but we'll put that on the "ask Andy" list!

Ok I will try and clear this up...I hope

Game For Life is the Charity.

Poker4Charity is simply a campaign of the Charity. Poker4Charity is just a name applied to poker events that raise funds for Game For Life.

Game For Life Enterpirses Ltd is a wholly owned trading company of the Charity Game For Life. 100% of its shares are owned by the Charity. It was set up on advice of the Charities Lawyers in case Game For Life  ever wished to trade in any significant manner i.e if it ever decided to open High Street shops, Internet Cardroom etc.

Ang

cheers Ang.

Im a bit confused regarding Andy and big slicks involvement in the charity set up. As I understood it Davey was the head of the charity and organised the events. In the chain of command(for want of a better phrase) does Davey report to the other two guys or do they report to Davey?


regards

Bobby,

Andy is Chairman of Game For Life, Tony is a Trustee for Game For Life, Davey is CEO for Game For Life, and Davey is answerable to both Andy and Tony.

Ang

Andy (following on from tikay)

Is there any guidance you can give us on the following?


If money is donated at events it is donated to P4C, who hold the events.

There is then a mechanism by which the funds are transferred to G4L from which donations are given to the good causes.

I think this is correct. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Can you explain (or perhaps it is in the accounts, i don't know) how the transfer works and how any deductions for admin charges (over and above deductions for expenses incurred on the day, as discussed elsewhere) are calculated as part of this transfer pricing process?

Thanks

Money donated at events is donated directly to Game For Life. I know this because when I donated at the Newcastle event the receipt that I was given was a Game For Life receiept. Which I also remember you received one at the Western event. I am sure Andy will confirm this.

Ang

North Angel (Ang...) wrote.....

Basically I have more involvement in organising poker events for P4C then the day to day running of G4L, although I am a volunteer for G4L as all funds raised from P4C go to G4L.

Ang

This is the crux of so many concerns, we don't grasp the need for three "arms", (Game for Life Enterprises Ltd, Game for Life (the Registered Charity) & P4C (??) ) but we'll put that on the "ask Andy" list!

Ok I will try and clear this up...I hope

Game For Life is the Charity.

Poker4Charity is simply a campaign of the Charity. Poker4Charity is just a name applied to poker events that raise funds for Game For Life.

Game For Life Enterpirses Ltd is a wholly owned trading company of the Charity Game For Life. 100% of its shares are owned by the Charity. It was set up on advice of the Charities Lawyers in case Game For Life  ever wished to trade in any significant manner i.e if it ever decided to open High Street shops, Internet Cardroom etc.

Ang

Ok - I have a question - this link http://www.lifecycle-fundraising.org/display.php?op=showgallery&page=16 takes me to a project at the Bluebell nursery school which looks exactly like (in fact the pictures are the same) as the ironside project on Game for lifes web site.

What contribution has GFL made to this project - my assumption was it had paid for this to be rebuilt etc but Lifecycle (whose name is on the wall in one of the pictures on the G4L website) states "As with all the nurseries built from the 2005 Ball, funds have been put aside for all operating costs (including teachers' remuneration) for one calendar year."

It would appear that this charity has built the nursery and will be paying for ongoing costs. 

So my questions are:

1. Why have the GFL pictures have a different name above the door (albeit a temporary board)

2. What has GFL donated to this cause?

Thanks

Tracey

http://www.shivacharity.net/ << If you look at this link the guy who actually runs the charity you will see in total 21 different schools with Ironsides and Bluebird nursery.  Bluebird Nursery School is the first of Lifecycle's sponsorships, and replaces a Pre-school in Thirikkovil. Ironside's Game For Life Nursery School is situated just south of Batticaloa, in the middle of a Tamil community.
http://www.game4life.org/index.php?page=srilankaschools

So I am not quite sure what you are implying.


The total cost for this was £2500 and £2500 for another school which is being built at the moment

I noticed the Lifecycle logo a while ago too, but after this had all kicked off I thought it was not a very good time to start asking what the deal was.

I think what Dingdell is referring to is that on Lifecycle's site they have stated that they are building 12 nursery schools (7 of which are already built), and one of these is named as Ironsides Game for Life school, basically it does look like they are implying that THEY have built the school http://www.lifecycle-fundraising.org/display.php?op=showgallery&page=33  As you know the school is also listed on SHIVA charity's site http://www.shivacharity.net/iron.htm It certainly is very confusing and unclear as to who has funded what.

As I stated earlier maybe this will have to be taken up with the Shiva Charity.

Ang

Thankyou for that, the Motherwell expenses look to be not as bad as I feared.

The expenses add up to just over £4.1k there, including the £1.5k lost to the Hotel and the £0.9k in Cardiff.

Earlier, we were told the total expenses for the year had been £20k.

With the £8k wages, and £4.1k accounted for here, a remaining question is what was the other £7.9k spent on.

(Someone want to check my maths)

Tank,

Andy has not given out any figures for this year, so not quite sure where you have got that figure from, it was said by Tikay that it was an estimated total for 2006 but as for the exact figures I do not personally have access to those I'm afraid.

I am more to do with the running of P4C and not G4L.

Ang

Yes, the figure of 30% for 2006 came from Andy & Tony. They suggested the % would "not be better" than 2005, & I'm sure they will confirm that.

I note Andy has not Posted today, as he suggested he might, can we assume you are responding on his behalf?

No I am not here on Andy's behalf, I am just here to answer any questions I can until Andy can get onto the internet himself.

Ang

Thankyou for that, the Motherwell expenses look to be not as bad as I feared.

The expenses add up to just over £4.1k there, including the £1.5k lost to the Hotel and the £0.9k in Cardiff.

Earlier, we were told the total expenses for the year had been £20k.

With the £8k wages, and £4.1k accounted for here, a remaining question is what was the other £7.9k spent on.

(Someone want to check my maths)

Tank,

Andy has not given out any figures for this year, so not quite sure where you have got that figure from, it was said by Tikay that it was an estimated total for 2006 but as for the exact figures I do not personally have access to those I'm afraid.

I am more to do with the running of P4C and not G4L.

Ang

Thank you Ang, & the mood on this thread is so much better now we have some info from "source", thank you.

I must say, I'm a little confused when you say you are more involved in P4C than G4L - surely, in practical terms, they are the same thing? Were the Heads Up things (ICHUC?) G4L rather than P4C?  I'm a bit bamboozled by what difference that makes. To "us", P4C & G4L are one & the same, & any suggested difference only muddies the water.

I shall be making two important (imo) Posts on this thread today, both intended to be construtive - and then I'm gonna consult with my fellow Mods & suggest to them that the thread be locked on Christmas Day & Boxing Day, & re-opened on 27th December. That will allow for some festrive cheer to take effect without "bad blood", & hopefully things will have calmed down by then.

I must say, FACTS are THE most important thing - it's good to talk, & Ang's appearance on this thread has worked wonders already.

Basically I have more involvement in organising poker events for P4C then the day to day running of G4L, although I am a volunteer for G4L as all funds raised from P4C go to G4L.

Ang