Comments please

[MANTIS01]

Yes, my bad ref the bb. The problem with betting out here is that nobody thinks you are strong enough to call an all-in, and so the all-in that follows is pretty standard. The move carries with it loads of fold equity with the current stack sizes and tournament situation, and the pot is well worth the risk. So what I'm saying is don't bet out to find out where you stand, especially when the temptation for your oppos to shove is overwhemling. Bet expecting the shove. Bet to induce the shove. Whatever you want. But betting to find out where you are here is not good, because the big pot reward for your oppo's deceit means you will never get any sort of truthful answer.

The fact that the opener folds makes the problem easier for you because an over-pair is less likely, but still possible. K-10, J-10, 8-8 & 9-9 are very possible while 2 pairs are not, and the fact the guy goes all-in makes 8-9 and sets pretty unlikely imo. So there's a lot of reason to call. But in this situation you should be betting to snap this 2nd guy, not betting to wonder. You are more in control if you do this imo.

[deputydawg]

Yes, my bad ref the bb. The problem with betting out here is that nobody thinks you are strong enough to call an all-in, and so the all-in that follows is pretty standard. The move carries with it loads of fold equity with the current stack sizes and tournament situation, and the pot is well worth the risk. So what I'm saying is don't bet out to find out where you stand, especially when the temptation for your oppos to shove is overwhemling. Bet expecting the shove. Bet to induce the shove. Whatever you want. But betting to find out where you are here is not good, because the big pot reward for your oppo's deceit means you will never get any sort of truthful answer.

The fact that the opener folds makes the problem easier for you because an over-pair is less likely, but still possible. K-10, J-10, 8-8 & 9-9 are very possible while 2 pairs are not, and the fact the guy goes all-in makes 8-9 and sets pretty unlikely imo. So there's a lot of reason to call. But in this situation you should be betting to snap this 2nd guy, not betting to wonder. You are more in control if you do this imo.

Makes a lot of sense, thanks

After a bit of thought I did call and he had the hand for some reason I felt he might have (don't know why) i.e. 66 but at least I wasn't muffed

[LeKnave]

Tht fact tht ppl see leading out from sb/bb into an aggressor as weak they can shove soooo wide on u and usually the leader has like 44 here.  They lead to 'find out where they are' before folding to any action.

I guess u called and he had 66 this time? gg.

[maldini32]

Tht fact tht ppl see leading out from sb/bb into an aggressor as weak they can shove soooo wide on u and usually the leader has like 44 here.  They lead to 'find out where they are' before folding to any action.

I guess u called and he had 66 this time? gg.

Stop trying to be a superstar with this 9th level analysis.

[AlexMartin]

Tht fact tht ppl see leading out from sb/bb into an aggressor as weak they can shove soooo wide on u and usually the leader has like 44 here. They wallyheads lead to 'find out where they are' before folding to any action.

I guess u called and he had 66 this time? gg.

oh, btw i just stoved every reasonable range on the planet out of boredom and once you lead out you are 100% pot stuck.

I dont think ppl operate at your level knave. not on pkr.

[Thekellster89]

he's got q10/k10 lol. call

[deputydawg]

Tht fact tht ppl see leading out from sb/bb into an aggressor as weak they can shove soooo wide on u and usually the leader has like 44 here.  They lead to 'find out where they are' before folding to any action.

I guess u called and he had 66 this time? gg.

Well worked out except for reply 16 above yours lol

he's got q10/k10 lol. call

pls see above

[paulhouk03]

call for me