painful coin flip

[AdamM]

not a bad beat cos it's only a coin flip and I don't think I could play it differently. just want to write it down somewhere.
23 players left in the comp.
Avge chips 34000.
blinds 1500/3000
passed round to the SB who limps.
my BB and I have 3000 in the blinds and 40k back
with  I raise 5000
SB calls. he has me covered by about 3000
pot now 16000
flop 
he bets 5000
I think he has either Ax spades or J,10 / Q,J
I move in fo 35000
he calls with 
my eyes saw an up and down straight flush draw. the  didnt register so when it came  I thought I'd dodged a load of outs. when the dealer passed him the chips the straight dawned on me.

I suppose if I've possibly got him on 10,J I ought to consider 10,9 too but I don't think I can get away. when he calls my all in 7,7 seemed most likely till they went over.

[Bongo]

What about a bigger raise preflop?

A lot of hands will call another 5k, it is offering over 2:1.

[jezza777]

cant get away on the flop at all.

[bundle]

my eyes saw an up and down straight flush draw.

Mine too.

I would have had him on the drawing hand there.

Nothing you can do other than raise it up more Pre.

[AdamM]

yeah, decided in bed after I posted. raise 10k preflop. once it's come though only way I dont loose the lot is if we both go into trap check mode. the 10 on the turn is a danger card and maybe I can stop betting.

[Royal Flush]

you didnt do anything wrong.

[AdamM]

blimey, saw on the front page you'd replied and instantly went 

you dont think the preflop raise was too small?

[Royal Flush]

I think it was perfect, you have position, you probably have the best hand, quite often he will call then check fold the flop. Thats the ideal scenario.

[M3boy]

 

[AdamM]

ok, thanks. bit disappointing cos I was playing a blinder up till then.

[redsimon]

pokenum  -h   - ts  -- js
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing
cards  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
  288  29.09   693  70.00    9  0.91  0.295
  693  70.00   288  29.09    9  0.91  0.705

Coin flip?

[AdamM]

preflop simon. obviously Im in bad shape after the flop. even without the  Im behind to the up and down straight flush draw with two overs. pre flop it's a coinflip. when it goes in I'm drawing very slim. infact Im suprised to see Im 30%

[redsimon]

The money went in on the flop though

[AdamM]

I know the money went in on the flop, after he'd hit the straight. His bet of 5000 turned out to be perfect to get me to move in. If I had AK he's have wasted his made straight. any over pair or set and he gets the lot.  I'm not saying it was a bad beat, or that he played badly. other than the size of my raise preflop I don't think I played badly. I'm way ahead of his most likely holdings. Obviously if I know he's flopped a straight I can pass a set easily. 
I don't know what point you're trying to make here Simon.

[The Baron]

I kind of see Simon's point Adam. "Coin flip" is a little misleading as a heading as the pre flop odds on this hand have little to do with anything else that happened here. I was expecting an all in pre flop hand or 22 outs vs 22 blanks with one to come.

If I play a small set vs someone who overbets their big ace (as I just literally just have done) through all 5 streets it can hardly be called a coin flip when he sees that he loses at the end of 4 rounds of betting.

In terms of the hand I think you played it spot on.