Have you ever folded KK preflop in a comp before????

[GlasgowBandit]

I havent but I wish I had.

Both times,i KNEW my Oppo had AA but used the excuse that i am not good enough to lay it down. - Sometimes you JUST KNOW.

Thats spot on Junior, there have been times where in your heart of hearts that your behind but still can't put them down. 
Simply because it doesn't seem plausible.

[Junior Senior]

No, it DOES seem plausable - what i am saying is in your mind you just dont WANT to fold!

[wsopin07]

people are saying it would take a lot of convincing to fold KK preflop.. I reckon the example Brian gave is quite persuasive!

the only problem Brian has is that whilst I dont know his exact playing style, I expect that he doesn't always need a monster to make the raise to 13,500 (maybe I am wrong about this).. as a result, the guy jamming into him doesn't exactly need AA to jam back at him.. but thats just supposition, and is just guess work on Brians style

I know that if it was me in brians spot, I would fold KK nearly all the time there.. but because its brian in brians spot, maybe folding KK is a mistake (because of his playing style)

I might have his style completely wrong though, all I know of it is from WSOP and that Pacific poker thingy...

and that was a big part of it, the guy had caught me on a big bluff about 2 hours earlier

[Table Manners]

I've got a friend who passed KK preflop during the student poker championships. it was one of those raise, re-raise, all in situations. It turned out his opponent had the one hand he couldn't put him on... KK.

[BigTomatoes]

thats happened to me with 3 players left in a home game

 i raise with KK, short stack raises all in,  3rd player re raises all in again and im thinking " I wonder which one has Ace rag ? "

 i call anyway short stack has Q7 re raiser has KK and were just waiting to get cracked by 2 pair or something but we held up and split the short stack.

 also against the same player i picked up KK first hand heads up, i limp in hoping for a raise but he checks

 flop is 3 7 10 he checks, i bet he raises, i flat call, turn 10, he checks, i check, now scared of the 10, river 2, he bets out again and i have to flat call.

 i show the KK , he shows AA

 the both of us pissed oursleves laughing, 2 monsters first hand heads up ( first time ive ever seen KK v AA heads up )
 and we were both scared of a silly 10 on the turn 

[lazaroonie]

I take the the view that taking a decision to never pass KK pre-flop is going to be more profitable for me in the long run than laying it down, but this theory is based on the fact that there is very little difference in the buyin/prize money structure of the tournaments I am playing.

In a 25K buyin ? wow, that would certainly get my pulse racing a litte

[Sark79]

I did once by accident.  A wasp flew into my shirt and I panicked. I tried to hit raise and folded by mistake.

[GlasgowBandit]

I did once by accident.  A wasp flew into my shirt and I panicked. I tried to hit raise and folded by mistake.

 

You do deserve a Blog Sark - youw ould have so many stories.  Brilliant!!

[ariston]

I have only folded KK 3 times and it was allin in the same tournament.

St maarten 2 years ago and my first ever 5k buyin event.
level 2 I had already lost with KK (or folded to ace on flop bets) 3 times and I get them on the button. UTg limps (1st pot he had played in whole tourney) seat 2 raises and seat 3 reriases the UTG man holds his breath for ever while I sit and decide what to do- I fold as it would mean calling allin. UTG pushes allin and is called by the reraiser. AA v KK and I wouldve been drawing almost dead.

Next level I have built my chips up and am sat 2nd chippy on the table. chip leader raises I reraise and he pushes allin. Again I fold thinking I am clever and this time I am shown AK (not passing them ever again I tell myself).

LAst level of day1 and I up with chip leaders and I get tricky and limp with KK in the cutoff as the button is shortstacked (about 11k) and seems to like his hand. He also limps and the small blind raises to 5200 (blinds were 300/600 I think). I do the unthinkable and just call after wondering what he has to raise that way (I know awful play). The button now pushes allin allowing the small  blind to reraise allin another 28k allin. I have around 60k in front of me with 50 players left and this is screaming AA. I take maybe 10-15 minutes and eventually fold with Tony Chessa saying "what took you so long- hes got aces , its easy to fold kings there". button man has 77, sb has AA (pat on the back) but the first card on the flop is a king  I wouldve gone into day 2 as chip leader if I had reraised the first raise and got myself potstuck and this hand haunted me for a long long time.

It is going to take something extrodinary for me to ever fold KK preflop again- I think to be honest I was too cautious with it being my first big buyin event and I bottled it to be honest. I made the last couple of tables and got 8k back but with the cards I had I wouldve finalled if I had played my normal game.

[Highstack]

KK four times in one event?? Do you have a golden rig available for your live game too Russ?

 

[ariston]

think i had KK about 10 times in total in a 2 day event and never had aces once. Very strange game at times and like say I was a card rack and shouldve gone deeper.

[riverdave]

Have folded KK 3 times in a comp twice live and did the unthinkable and folded them online preflop in the ladbrokes $250 i won the other week. It was very early blinds 15/30 and i had already doubled to 6k my opponent had 7k. He min raised to 60 UTG and i reraised to 240 UTG+1 it now passes round to him and he makes it 850 to play. I now put him on aces and he has priced me out of flopping the set so i just pass. About an hour later he gave me his whole stack on a 10 7 2 flop when i flopped a set of and he couldnt get away from JJ so i think it was the correct play even though i never actually got to see his obvious aces.
On one of the live occassions i got away from KK without putting a chip in the pot it was one of the old 100 rebuys Luton used to have a good few years ago once a month on a friday night. It was fairly deep into the comp last 2 tables as i recall. There was an under the gun limper and then Steve Vladar made a very strong raise that left me with no way of finding out with my stack where i was after a very lengthy 5 minute dwell i managed to fold them and thankfully was shown the aces.
Had an interesting conversation with Carlo about this the basic summary of which is he said they can show me aces and im still not passing KK preflop.

[AdamM]

have never laid down KK preflop
have never played a comp where laying down KK preflop was an option. the games I'm playing, early doors people play AA and 99 EXACTLY the same. late on they're such crapshoots laying down and medium pair or big Ace is pretty unusual.

If Im ever 100% sure I'm up against AA I'll pass KK. It's not being good enough to pass kings, it's being totally 100% positive with your read on a player and a situation. Not there yet.

[stoneii]

That said I am of course still not passing as I have already said above. Nearly a 22-1 chance is enough for me to get em in, but when the players are good, betting patterns are everything.

But that's just the mathematics of the situation.  A 22-1 chance of your opponent holding AA seems completely different when looking at a reraise from "Mr Tight as the proverbial" to facing a re-reraise from "Mr Loose?, I wish I played that tight"

I agree it would be almost impossible for small time players (i.e. me) to lay this down (without at least first catching a glimpse of your opponents hand ) as the re-reraiser goes on to turn up his A2 (but they were sooooted lol) but if you opponent has hardly breathed for an hour then bursts into the reraise chant, I'm not for putting him on a bluff too often.

stoneii

[rivered]

Out of curiosity - a question to Brian, and everyone else in general - if you are convinced they have AA, and end up laying do, would you show your hand?