Performance or Points?

[sharpy]

  Today was the first time since 1998 that we've won our opening group game.Previous to that it was 1982.

  OK the second half was not too clever, but it's a better start than normal.

[Rooky9]

Sweden - did everything but put the ball in the net

Were we watching the same game? Sweden had 4 in defence with a man advantage and really only had some clumsy long range attempts with only 1-2 respectable attempts in the whole 45 mins they had the advantage.

well if henrik had 1 inch longer legs he would have scored 2 with a slide and should have scored with his head too

There is no point comparing the two games - different opposition and different conditions - lets just see who qualifies! I know which position I'd sooner be in!

[MrMoves]

put it this way which team is sitting happiest right now:

England - just scrapped a win with a jammie own goal, or/
Sweden - did everything but put the ball in the net

Obviously england, even tho sweden deserve to be above them in the group, thats why points win over performances at this stage

Why is it a team who can't beat Dwight Yorke's pub side deserve to be above England?

Sweden were awful.

cos they played far better than England

Sweden, who couldn't beat Trinidad and Tobago, should be above England, who beat Paraguay.  Based on the evidence that Sweden played more attractive football against 10 men who celebrated the draw like they'd won the cup.

LOL!!!!!

[AdamM]

Whoever wins this group. play Germany in QF, I would imagine that Sweden are happier

the winners of group A and Group B wouldn't meet until the final. group B winners would most likely have to get through Brazil in the semifinal.

[ifm]

I thought it was an excellent game and a deserved win, but i was in the pub from 9am.........
Dave, are you scottish by any chance?

[The Baron]

Whoever wins this group. play Germany in QF, I would imagine that Sweden are happier

Why?

Germany hve the worst defence I've seen so far.

[Scottish Dave]

put it this way which team is sitting happiest right now:

England - just scrapped a win with a jammie own goal, or/
Sweden - did everything but put the ball in the net

Obviously england, even tho sweden deserve to be above them in the group, thats why points win over performances at this stage

Why is it a team who can't beat Dwight Yorke's pub side deserve to be above England?

Sweden were awful.

cos they played far better than England

Sweden, who couldn't beat Trinidad and Tobago, should be above England, who beat Paraguay.  Based on the evidence that Sweden played more attractive football against 10 men who celebrated the draw like they'd won the cup.

LOL!!!!!

you couldnt even put the ball in your own net, you had to get someone else to do it for you, then get M Owen to run away celebrating

sweden wouldnt stoop so low

[thediceman]

England:

In the World Cup.
Won their first game with no goals conceded.
Big favourites to make the second round.
Got one of the best strikers in the world to return in the knockout stages.

It's times like this I really wished I supported Scotland. 

[GlasgowBandit]

It's times like this I really wished I supported Scotland. 

Really??

Its comments like that, that make us Scots hate your poxy team more!

And Rooney is a damn fine player but I don't think he is one of the best strikers in the world!!

He plays better in the hole behind a mian striker, to be a great striker you have to have outstanding goal scoring records IMO Rooney doesn't have this yet.

COME ON THE ARGIES!!

[The Baron]

Well there we have it from the horses mouth. That man people admire so much Martin O'Neill, has just said England will have no problems beating Sweden as they are ordinary. Didn't he manage someone once?


"And Rooney is a damn fine player but I don't think he is one of the best strikers in the world!!" - 

I guess Larsson is though?

[GlasgowBandit]

Well there we have it from the horses mouth. That man people admire so much Martin O'Neill, has just said England will have no problems beating Sweden as they are ordinary. Didn't he manage someone once?


"And Rooney is a damn fine player but I don't think he is one of the best strikers in the world!!" - 

I guess Larsson is though?

Well Larrson has achieved mor ein the game than Rooney has but he wasn't top of the list Iw ould compile of world class strikers.

Schevchenko
Drogba
Crespo
Henry
Ronaldo
Adriano
Luca Toni


These guys are all better strikers than Rooney.

Its fascinating that such a world class team has pinned all its hopes on one man.

You boys are up shit creek without a paddle if he comes in and gets injured - what then??

[Royal Flush]

It's simple IMO, England were poor, poor teams don't win the world cup. The England defence was shocking, luckily it was meetin the paraquay attack and not that of Argentina, Holland, Italy, Brazil etc. If they had it would have been a pasting.

[The Baron]

And please don't tell me about the goals/game ratio he achieved in Scotland, otherwise I'm going to start telling you how good Kezman is for all the goals he scored in Holland!

Drogba? Are you kidding me? 9 goals a season for a £24 million player? Rooney scores 16 goals at 20 years old and hes not world class, Drogba scores 9 (in an amazing Chelsea side) and he is?

[ifm]

It's times like this I really wished I supported Scotland. 

Really??

Its comments like that, that make us Scots hate your poxy team more!


COME ON THE ARGIES!!

And comments like that, that make you look daft.

[GlasgowBandit]

And please don't tell me about the goals/game ratio he achieved in Scotland, otherwise I'm going to start telling you how good Kezman is for all the goals he scored in Holland!

Drogba? Are you kidding me? 9 goals a season for a £24 million player? Roonet scores 16 goals at 20 years old and hes not world class, Drogba scores 9 (in an amazing Chelsea side) and he is?

So you saying Larrson hasn't achived more in the game than Rooney?

Whats your fascination with Henrik?  FFS I never even brought him into this.

So you don't rate Drogba where do you put Rooney in the list then?