ABE, Anyone but England?

[Ironside]

david marshall is only the 2nd best prospect in scottish goalkeeping he gets the attension as he plays for celtic rather than hearts

scot severin has never been and never will be classed as a footballer infact if aberdeen could get him of the payroll i would be a happy man

[ifm]

I agree bothe are bad qualities, good job that me wanting England to get humped is born of neither.

So there we have it, the reason for this thread.

[thetank]

Whoosh

For the record, the real reason I started the thread was to cheese off ifm.   

(joke)

[thediceman]

[Naturally this is any of the home nations but in their absence they covered Eire. Following on from that observation I pointed out that we didn't have any cries of Eire bias by the media, it was just taken as natual as they were the only close team competing.

So should the media be taking about Wales, Scotland's and Northern Ireland during this competition that they have failed to qualify for. If you want less England coverage then it might help if you qualified in the future.

sorry but i live closer to Norway than i do Eire i think london is closer to France than it is Eire, many people on the east coast are closer to the Holland etc etc

the MEDIA followed Eire because not many players from abroad played in the English league wheras Most of the irish players played in it.Also  they speak english in ireland. The media look for things to sell advertising (apart from the BBC but they have to follow the rest of the media or lose there viewing figures and then there funding) which means that the media will also look for someway of attracking englsih viewers/listener/readers as england out number the rest of us brits 10-1 due to the natraul english bias in the media its only natrual for the rest of the brits to look elsewhere for someone to support.
If another british team quailfied and england failed the media's best way to sell the story to the public is to go for the british angle and therefore try and drive the english towards supporting a british team proclaiming them british
so this world cup its England England England in 2010 if wales get thru and england dont it will be British Wales British
we live in a world where money speaks and the media is like everyone else they will look to protect there self intrest

When I said "close" I wasn't refering to geographical location, but I suspect you already knew that. I am fully aware of the distances between our neighbouring countries. Support who you like, I really don't care, adopt whatever country you wish. I personally just find it a tad strange that many Scots always adopt a team in direct competition with England???. Justify the reason for the ABE attitude as a largely media bias creation and dismiss any other historical influences or nationalistic bias. It's strange however that the Welsh and Northern Irish are not as upset by this "media bias".
  
Maybe I should be considering an ABS attitude on account of all the whinging Scots who are clearly distressed by all the bias media, it's only polite that one should reciprocate, but then again on account your team rarely reaches the finals theres not much point.  

[Tinsel Town]

I cant wait for Scotland to qualify for a major championship, since they stopped making any more "only fools and horses" we need another bloody good comedy on tv

Oh and England do so well in them!!!


Pizza anyone?? 

[Ironside]

Maybe I should be considering an ABS attitude on account of all the whinging Scots who are clearly distressed by all the bias media, it's only polite that one should reciprocate, but then again on account your team rarely reaches the finals theres not much point.  

the media will never allow it as they need a way to unite their patrons and they know they could never unite the public in an ABS or ABW campaign

[Tinsel Town]

I agree bothe are bad qualities, good job that me wanting England to get humped is born of neither.

So the question is... What is it born out of?

You dont have it in cricket or ruggers, so why footy? Answering that may shed some light....

Simple, Football teams are linked to towns etc .. where as cricket teams are county based, and Rugby is a game played by fat blokes who were never good enough to play football.

A football team represents the town where you live ( unless you are a Man utd fan, in which case you live in surrey) People rightly or wrongly feel proud and defensive of the place that they live and football  is, and has, been the major outlet for the working class man to shout and sing and shake off all the worries and stresses of a hum drum working week.

Its about loyalty and a sense of belonging.... kind of like gang mentality.  And as much as the prawn sandwich brigade are trying to take the game away from the working man, football rivalry will ALWAYS prevail.

I love all the banter and heated debates about football... I am old enough and wise enough not to make any insults personal, but lets be honest, there is nothing quite like giving a mate a lengthy rub down when his team has just been beaten

This is the crux of it. Just football not politics 

[jammer]

I was thinking and realised that In the 1990's I too was afflicted by the "anyone but" attitude, so I think I can understand the scots lads standpoint.

Every day in the paper, every match of the day, every report in the sports pages was about bloody Man U. Non stop, all the time, incessant.

I got so sick of it I developed ABMU syndrome.

To this day I haven't shaken it. I'll support any premiership team in europe but cannot bring myself to cheer on the manure (and Birmingham City obviously, even though I have loads of mates who support em).  Go figure.

[thetank]

 
Maybe I should be considering an ABS attitude on account of all the whinging Scots who are clearly distressed by all the bias media, it's only polite that one should reciprocate, but then again on account your team rarely reaches the finals theres not much point. 

Please do. I actually prefer that to you guys rooting for us (which is, although well-meaning, sometimes a little patronising.)

Like I said before, nothing more frustrating than a rivarly with a country that doesn't bother to reciprocate.

It's all good, in the context of football slagging.

Don't worry if it's a whiley before we storm our next major championship. There's always the qualifiers to muff up, plenty mileage there.

[Tinsel Town]

I have just realised this...

Every time I watch the England national side I want them to get beat.

Every time I watch an English club side in Europe I want them to win..without exception.

Every time I watch the Scottish national side I want them to win.

Every time I watch an Scottish club side in Europe, apart from Celtic, I want them to get beat..without exception.

I'm in serious need of some counselling I figure  >:? >:? >:?


 

[thetank]

Just curious TT

If Gretna made it to the UEFA cup final against FC Kakabingo, would you still want them to get humped?

[thediceman]

Firstly at least England have qualified and have a chance however remote you think they are. Domino's pizza for me  

One big difference between the fans is that the English fans at least get the opportunity to dream that they can win the event where as beyond the qualifying round our celtic brothers don't. I would much prefer to have the positive stance rather than adopting a negative ones towards a more successful neighbouring country.

Maybe the ABE fans would be better of channelling their energies into demanding more from their own countries performances and maybe even dream of final qualification. Who knows they may even start to believe they could get past the first round but then again let's keep things realistic.  

[Tinsel Town]

Just curious TT

If Gretna made it to the UEFA cup final against FC Kakabingo, would you still want them to get humped?

Oh dear....I dont think I would.
However, if Gretna did reach the SPL and I had 20 years experience of being taunted by their fans
after unlucky defeats, avoiding knife wielding street thugs on the way back to the supporters buses,
being treated like sheet by batton crazy local policeman and having experienced other unpleasentness
that I do not feel is appropriate for this discussion then I would hope they get humped ,as you put it, as well.

 

[thetank]

One big difference between the fans is that the English fans at least get the opportunity to dream that they can win the event where as beyond the qualifying round our celtic brothers don't.

I've got to strongly disagree with this.

Nowt to stop us dreaming, just like you guys, stranger things have happened.

See you in South Africa (if you make it) 

[Tinsel Town]

Firstly at least England have qualified and have a chance however remote you think they are. Domino's pizza for me  

One big difference between the fans is that the English fans at least get the opportunity to dream that they can win the event where as beyond the qualifying round our celtic brothers don't. I would much prefer to have the positive stance rather than adopting a negative ones towards a more successful neighbouring country.

Maybe the ABE fans would be better of channelling their energies into demanding more from their own countries performances and maybe even dream of final qualification. Who knows they may even start to believe they could get past the first round but then again let's keep things realistic.  




Oh dear...I was joking...you know. Kev was having a wee rub..I was having a wee rub back. Just fun. No offence.
No need for the rolls eyes jab. If this helps....SORRY