Is it fair to do this?

[Sark79]

Can you remember all their names?

[tikay]

You used goats for fuel?

[mikkyT]

Sark, the phone means that the poster is posting via a mobile device (not laptop unless its going via a wap gateway). my net is down for the foreseeable future

[Sark79]

Cheers mikky,   I have been worried about that  .    When I see buttons on the screen, I have an irresistible need to press them.   I thought perhaps, I have opened a release gate for a Venezuelan dam and flooded a village.  But now that you explain it, it is obvious.  Thanks.

[ifm]

Quite simple really, if you want to give to charity and know where it's going then give it to a beggar on the street.
There a lot of charities that take huge amounts and simply don't show where it went.

[CelticGeezeer]

I can see the dilemma you are in.

Will the starving people look after the goat properly ?

No let em starve. 

[mikkyT]

if nmy kebab taste gud who gives a fuk i c wot ur sayin!

I'll regret this int morni'n

[bolt pp]

Today, I got approached by an old Lady while walking past Borders.   She was collecting for the Christian aid.

She gave me a leaflet and asked me to have a quick read at it.  It said " How to recycle a goat".  Basically all the money she was helping raise for the Christian Aid was going to be used to buy a goat for starving people in Africa.

Here is what the leaflet said .

 ( This is what buying a goat will do to help a child in Africa )

1. Give an orphaned child a goat

2. The goat produces manure

3. The child grows more crops to eat and sell

4. The Child doesn't go hungry

5. The goat produces more goats

6. The Child sells a goat to pay for school

7. The Child keeps a goat

8. The child gives back a goat


The old Lady asked that I donate as little as 50p.  She gave me all the obvious reasons why my donation was vital if steps were to be taken to help address poverty in Africa.

Like everyone else, I feel terrible when I hear of people starving in Africa and other Developing Nations across the World. However I also care for animals.  I asked if my donation would go to anything other than buying a goat.  Her answer was that the aim of the Christian aid in this particular campaign was to provide what the leaflet suggested. A goat for people who had nothing.

I knocked her back and tried to explain my main concern was for the welfare of the animal.  She could not give me a concrete promise the goats would be cared for in an appropriate way.  Once the goat was bought, it is down to the owner to care for it, no vets keep an eye on the animal as this is to expensive.

Is it fair to subject a goat to the horrors of a Continent that struggles to feed themselves?.  I believe the answer is, No.  I don't know if my view is correct or wrong, but it was my choice and I will stick to it. 

Who gives a f**k about a goat,  are you for real?

Firstly if an old dear asked me for 50p in the street I'd give it to her on principal irrespective of what it was for(it would be a bit more that 50p)

secondly thats one of the most morally reprehensible contentions pertaining to African relief aid Ive ever read.

theres just so many things wrong with what you said its unreal.

being a reasonably benevolent person you would have been eager, i imagine to support the cause had it not involved a goat, then what was your conclusive proof that the goat would have been subjected to mistreatment that compelled you to refuse a donation, if theres only a vague sense foreboading with no discernable evidence supporting your concerns the moral thing to do is to give the donation and believe that the reputable charity charged with running the campain were doing so in a way non detrimental to the health of the goats.

I really couldn't care less if the goat was stuffed into a box and died a slow and painful death if it somehow contributed to the sustainment of a human life.

Not only do you seemingly put the potential well being of a goat above that of a human life, which is what your post is tantamount too, but you nit pick with an old lady over 50p!!!!!

can you imagine being outside trying to collect donations of 50p and someone like you comes along proffessing philanthropic tendencies but ear rolling her and ultimately declining to make a donation because of the well being of a goat!!!!

Of course it will be mistreated, these people cant even afford to eat, cure themselfs, LIVE!!! ,so of course the goat wont have a five star life with three meals a day and massages because its the drought ridden Africa!!!!!!! but who cares its there to serve a purpose.

You were asking about whats happend to the country the other day, well I'll tell you its posts like this and people who agree with them that make me despair, absolutely unreal that the most criticism you received was from rod which was a well worded rebuttel outlining the practicalities of the situation but not highlighting the unbelievable lack of forsight, insight, compassion , and decorum from you.

[bundle]

Today, I got approached by an old Lady while walking past Borders.   She was collecting for the Christian aid.

She gave me a leaflet and asked me to have a quick read at it.  It said " How to recycle a goat".  Basically all the money she was helping raise for the Christian Aid was going to be used to buy a goat for starving people in Africa.

Here is what the leaflet said .

 ( This is what buying a goat will do to help a child in Africa )

1. Give an orphaned child a goat

2. The goat produces manure

3. The child grows more crops to eat and sell

4. The Child doesn't go hungry

5. The goat produces more goats

6. The Child sells a goat to pay for school

7. The Child keeps a goat

8. The child gives back a goat


The old Lady asked that I donate as little as 50p.  She gave me all the obvious reasons why my donation was vital if steps were to be taken to help address poverty in Africa.

Like everyone else, I feel terrible when I hear of people starving in Africa and other Developing Nations across the World. However I also care for animals.  I asked if my donation would go to anything other than buying a goat.  Her answer was that the aim of the Christian aid in this particular campaign was to provide what the leaflet suggested. A goat for people who had nothing.

I knocked her back and tried to explain my main concern was for the welfare of the animal.  She could not give me a concrete promise the goats would be cared for in an appropriate way.  Once the goat was bought, it is down to the owner to care for it, no vets keep an eye on the animal as this is to expensive.

Is it fair to subject a goat to the horrors of a Continent that struggles to feed themselves?.  I believe the answer is, No.  I don't know if my view is correct or wrong, but it was my choice and I will stick to it. 

Who gives a f**k about a goat,  are you for real?

Firstly if an old dear asked me for 50p in the street I'd give it to her on principal irrespective of what it was for(it would be a bit more that 50p)

secondly thats one of the most morally reprehensible contentions pertaining to African relief aid Ive ever read.

theres just so many things wrong with what you said its unreal.

being a reasonably benevolent person you would have been eager, i imagine to support the cause had it not involved a goat, then what was your conclusive proof that the goat would have been subjected to mistreatment that compelled you to refuse a donation, if theres only a vague sense foreboading with no discernable evidence supporting your concerns the moral thing to do is to give the donation and believe that the reputable charity charged with running the campain were doing so in a way non detrimental to the health of the goats.

I really couldn't care less if the goat was stuffed into a box and died a slow and painful death if it somehow contributed to the sustainment of a human life.

Not only do you seemingly put the potential well being of a goat above that of a human life, which is what your post is tantamount too, but you nit pick with an old lady over 50p!!!!!

can you imagine being outside trying to collect donations of 50p and someone like you comes along proffessing philanthropic tendencies but ear rolling her and ultimately declining to make a donation because of the well being of a goat!!!!

Of course it will be mistreated, these people cant even afford to eat, cure themselfs, LIVE!!! ,so of course the goat wont have a five star life with three meals a day and massages because its the drought ridden Africa!!!!!!! but who cares its there to serve a purpose.

You were asking about whats happend to the country the other day, well I'll tell you its posts like this and people who agree with them that make me despair, absolutely unreal that the most criticism you received was from rod which was a well worded rebuttel outlining the practicalities of the situation but not highlighting the unbelievable lack of forsight, insight, compassion , and decorum from you.

I agree with you 100%, I too wrote a post to reply, absolutely outraged at a goat over a human life. It also made me remember a post about a homeless person that kicked a dog, and how he was about to punch this person on behalf of the dog, it seems that human misery takes second place to animals.

After reading my post back several times I then decided not to post it. 1 it might come across as a personal attack

And 2 who am I to tell someone they are right or wrong in their thinking, after reading your post I again see it makes my blood boil, There is NOTHING worst than seeing a child suffer. Nothing..

Hate me, Flame me, Ban me,  I should have spoke out when I first read it.

[thetank]

I would have thought that the vast majority of goats in this world are wild beast that roam mountains etc.

They get on ok without vets.

[ifm]

Who gives a f**k about a goat,  are you for real?

Firstly if an old dear asked me for 50p in the street I'd give it to her on principal irrespective of what it was for(it would be a bit more that 50p)

secondly thats one of the most morally reprehensible contentions pertaining to African relief aid Ive ever read.

theres just so many things wrong with what you said its unreal.

being a reasonably benevolent person you would have been eager, i imagine to support the cause had it not involved a goat, then what was your conclusive proof that the goat would have been subjected to mistreatment that compelled you to refuse a donation, if theres only a vague sense foreboading with no discernable evidence supporting your concerns the moral thing to do is to give the donation and believe that the reputable charity charged with running the campain were doing so in a way non detrimental to the health of the goats.

I really couldn't care less if the goat was stuffed into a box and died a slow and painful death if it somehow contributed to the sustainment of a human life.

Not only do you seemingly put the potential well being of a goat above that of a human life, which is what your post is tantamount too, but you nit pick with an old lady over 50p!!!!!

can you imagine being outside trying to collect donations of 50p and someone like you comes along proffessing philanthropic tendencies but ear rolling her and ultimately declining to make a donation because of the well being of a goat!!!!

Of course it will be mistreated, these people cant even afford to eat, cure themselfs, LIVE!!! ,so of course the goat wont have a five star life with three meals a day and massages because its the drought ridden Africa!!!!!!! but who cares its there to serve a purpose.

You were asking about whats happend to the country the other day, well I'll tell you its posts like this and people who agree with them that make me despair, absolutely unreal that the most criticism you received was from rod which was a well worded rebuttel outlining the practicalities of the situation but not highlighting the unbelievable lack of forsight, insight, compassion , and decorum from you.

Gotta love that post!!

[Sark79]

It is personal choice, Bolt.   I couldn't give a toss what you believe mate.       I have my views and you have your views.  Bundle,  the guy who kicked the dog was drunk and kicked the dog because he was clearly a bad bugger. 

I do value human life.  However I also value animal life.  I am a member of PETA and have read many news letters related to these sorts of things.  As a result, I wasn't convinced that the animal would be kept in suitable living conditions.  In the wild it is different, they are not housed in tiny pens and fed minimal amounts to survive from.  In the mountains if a goat dies through lack of food, etc.  That is the sad reality of nature. There is nothing we can do about it.  On this occasion there is, don't give the 50p or whatever is needed.  I would rather hand 50p to a homeless person in Glasgow.  At least I know, I have made a difference to that persons life and not damaged another living creatures life.

I am all for charity.  But I don't agree with this charity campaign.

Obviously you think I waffle p.sh    ( you are not the first ) .  But to be honest, after I read your post, I thought exactly the same about you. 

Have a nice day 

[brad.strider]

dont ya just love a good debate?
I am also a member of PETA but i think on this occassion i would have given the 50p. I give a donation to PETA every month and to be honest i dont know how much of it actually goes to help animals and what percentage goes to line someone pocket before the rest goes to charity.
the whole goat cruelty thing in my opinion is an issue but i i dont think that folk are automatically going to be cruel to the animal. thats making an assumption about a whole country/village. goats are hardly animals and im sure folk would want to treat them well so they could have continued milk for the kids and manure for the soil. a live goat is better a dead one and helps people farm. kindness cannot be guarenteed though as it cannot be guarenteed in this country. just look at the way some people treat racehorses, dogss, cats etc. this is about bad ass individuals and not whole villages or countries.
all charities should be declaring where ALL the money goes at the outset. anyone here work for a charity who wants to reveal some funds secrets? anyone ever nicked anything out of a charity box they were collecting for? come on, tell the truth..........................................................


mad (not brad i forgot to log him out)

[tikay]

Guys, disagree & argue all you like, but do NOT Flame Members please.

[madasahatstand]

i was only kidding about scamming charities tikay. didnt really think anyone would name and shame