Is it fair to do this?

[tikay]

i was only kidding about scamming charities tikay. didnt really think anyone would name and shame 

Hi Mad,

I was not referring to your Post - your Post did not flame anyone.

It IS a subject that, whenever it's aired - Humans v Animals - certainly inflames passions. But the way to get a point across does not have to include personal remarks or insults. A well-argued, good-natured coherent debate will do the job much better.

[Sark79]

Guys, disagree & argue all you like, but do NOT Flame Members please.

 


Sorry tikay.  I should have just replied by saying  " PM me " rather than openly defending my view.  My mistake. 

[tikay]

Guys, disagree & argue all you like, but do NOT Flame Members please.

 


Sorry tikay.  I should have just replied by saying  " PM me " rather than openly defending my view.  My mistake. 

Thanks Sark, but this is the problem.....once one member gets rude with another, we have to aliow the one who's been attacked to defend himself. This can escalate & get out of hand. Not easy to be fair, & right, to everyone.

But we will keep this place civil, at all costs.

[matt674]

But we will keep this place civil, at all costs.

Otherwise if you dont keep it civil then the monkey militia will invade and take over blonde - and do you all want to be ruled by a bunch of primates??

[GlasgowBandit]

When I was reading through this I though oops Sark's done it again    But I thought the post from Bolt was a shocker.  Its clear from many of Sarks post that he cares greatly for animals and the enviroment I belive therefore that if he has any misgivings about the treatment of any animal then he is right to decline to give to any charity.

I can understand the thought process about how the goat makes lives much better for children and villages in 3rd world countries, however while there is corruption and mis-management from governments and gueriila groups and not to mention strangleholds from developed countries on these regions then the people will never prosper.  It is for this very reason that I would not give to a charity collecting for third world countries.  We have been giving money to these countries for years but nothing ever seems to change, and as Red Dog pointed out you give once and they keep wanting you to give.

[The Baron]

Sark,

If the goat was the family's livelihood wouldn't it be in their best interests to keep it healthy? Makes sense to me.

I do not agree with the way Bolt posted his view but I must admit I do agree with what he's trying to say.

If I was Starvin Marvin and I had kids who were also starving and I coulda had a goat to help me in life and feed my kids I'd be happy. However if I found out that a comparitively rich person from the Western World stopped me having this opportunity becuase I MIGHT mistreat my own goat I'd be very disappointed. In fact I'd be devestated.

[Nem]

I do not agree with the way Bolt posted his view but I must admit I do agree with what he's trying to say.

[Raindogs]

I don't have a problem with the "Give a Goat" campaign.  The human race has always used animals for food and work and is simply part and parcel of our existence.  In poorer parts of the world the milk and meat such an animal can provide will keep those families alive.  There are better targets than this for those concerned for animal welfare.

I really couldn't care less if the goat was stuffed into a box and died a slow and painful death if it somehow contributed to the sustainment of a human life.

Reading this comment however made me sick.  The idea that the needs of the human race should override any concerns about animals shows we are not really that evolved after all.  Yesterday on Central news we were treated to the spectacle of 4 teenagers throwing of a Cat off the 10th floor of a tower block, running downstairs to bring it back up and repeating the process 4 TIMES !!  All while filming the entertainment on a mobile phone.  Anybody feel their needs overrides that of an animal ?  Or even a cockroach ?

Then I chanced on this gem of a reply

I agree with you 100%, I too wrote a post to reply, absolutely outraged at a goat over a human life. It also made me remember a post about a homeless person that kicked a dog, and how he was about to punch this person on behalf of the dog, it seems that human misery takes second place to animals.

I am assuming the human misery in this case was the injury the homeless guy sustained to his foot while kicking his dog.

Every time I look at the news and see the evil the human race is capable of I grow more and more convinced that the human race is a plague upon the Earth which will eventually destroy it.  That which makes us "Better" than animals is less obvious these days.

[RED-DOG]

I don't have a problem with the "Give a Goat" campaign.  The human race has always used animals for food and work and is simply part and parcel of our existence.  In poorer parts of the world the milk and meat such an animal can provide will keep those families alive.  There are better targets than this for those concerned for animal welfare.

I really couldn't care less if the goat was stuffed into a box and died a slow and painful death if it somehow contributed to the sustainment of a human life.

Reading this comment however made me sick.  The idea that the needs of the human race should override any concerns about animals shows we are not really that evolved after all.  Yesterday on Central news we were treated to the spectacle of 4 teenagers throwing of a Cat off the 10th floor of a tower block, running downstairs to bring it back up and repeating the process 4 TIMES !!  All while filming the entertainment on a mobile phone.  Anybody feel their needs overrides that of an animal ?  Or even a cockroach ?

Then I chanced on this gem of a reply

I agree with you 100%, I too wrote a post to reply, absolutely outraged at a goat over a human life. It also made me remember a post about a homeless person that kicked a dog, and how he was about to punch this person on behalf of the dog, it seems that human misery takes second place to animals.

I am assuming the human misery in this case was the injury the homeless guy sustained to his foot while kicking his dog.

Every time I look at the news and see the evil the human race is capable of I grow more and more convinced that the human race is a plague upon the Earth which will eventually destroy it.  That which makes us "Better" than animals is less obvious these days.

Excellent

[Sark79]

I will stick to my views  .   I agree with everything I have said about the matter.   Thank you


No, of course I am kidding.   Everyone has their own opinions and that is great.  I have no problem with bolt, if he wants to say whatever he feels to me, then that is no problem.  I will just ignore what he has to say  .   Only joking.   I am not suggesting my view is correct, but it is my view and it will stay like that.  It is clear that everyone has vastly different opinions about the matter, bolt may be correct, who can tell. 

I don't want to argue.  My main concern now is for England and my wish that they win against Portugal today 

[Claw75]

I do not agree with the way Bolt posted his view but I must admit I do agree with what he's trying to say.

me three

[mikkyT]

Every time you donate 50p an African kills his goat. Please, think of the goats.

[Claw75]

 I am not suggesting my view is correct .... bolt may be correct, who can tell. 

That's the thing with issues like this, there is no 'correct' answer, but we will all have very differing opinions - that's what makes us who we are.  I know you are an animal lover Sark (as are many others on here), and so of course the welfare of the goat was the first thing you questioned.

I, personally, am not an animal lover (sorry, just the way I am!), so I wouldn't have given the goat's welfare a second thought.

Neither of us is right or wrong, we just look at things from a different perspective, and find our common ground in the world of poker!

[Sark79]

Exactly Claire, I agree.  Unfortunately you always win at poker when we have played  .   No, being serious.  That was a good post and I agree with it. 

[madasahatstand]

Reading this comment however made me sick.  The idea that the needs of the human race should override any concerns about animals shows we are not really that evolved after all. 


Every time I look at the news and see the evil the human race is capable of I grow more and more convinced that the human race is a plague upon the Earth which will eventually destroy it.  That which makes us "Better" than animals is less obvious these days.

i agree

mad