Call here?

[mikkyT]

I'm finding my game has changed significantly since I last played.... I'd appriciate comments on this hand:

PokerStars Game #5460141247: Tournament #27578529, $1.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/07/05 - 06:06:41 (ET)
Table '27578529 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: bigbombmaker (1415 in chips)
Seat 3: jeanbale (1840 in chips)
Seat 4: tirewizard (1980 in chips)
Seat 5: realdead$$ (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: Claire22 (1250 in chips)
Seat 8: mikkyT (1755 in chips)
Seat 9: chops - ls1 (4740 in chips)
jeanbale: posts small blind 25
tirewizard: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mikkyT [ ]
realdead$$: calls 50
Claire22: folds
mikkyT: raises 100 to 150
chops - ls1: folds
bigbombmaker: folds
jeanbale: folds
tirewizard: calls 100
realdead$$: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [ ]
tirewizard: bets 200
realdead$$: calls 200
mikkyT: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] [As]
tirewizard: checks
realdead$$: checks
*** RIVER *** [ As] []
tirewizard: bets 350
realdead$$: calls 350
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tirewizard: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
realdead$$: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
tirewizard collected 788 from pot
realdead$$ collected 787 from pot
mikkyT said, "i folded KK"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1575 | Rake 0
Board [ As ]
Seat 1: bigbombmaker (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jeanbale (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: tirewizard (big blind) showed [ ] and won (788) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 5: realdead$$ showed [ ] and won (787) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 6: Claire22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mikkyT folded on the Flop
Seat 9: chops - ls1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[mikkyT]

I know its only a $1.50 tourney but I was trying not to think of that.

[Claw75]

correct fold IMO

[SupaMonkey]

I woulda raised more preflop once someone had limped.

[Royal Flush]

Whats the question?

Should you fold an underpair if there is a bet and a call infront, if so, then yes.

[Graham C]

Yeah had to fold I guess, but I'd have raised more preflop too.  At 50 for the BB  to scare people off you really need to be sticking in at least 5xBB imo, otherwise you get all sorts of limpers that you don't want.

Don't tell them what you had either, if anyone wants to see what cards I'm holding, there is only one way to find out.

[Claw75]

why would you want to scare people off though?

[Graham C]

Because with KK you can be beaten by any caller with Ace rag which you certainly don't want.  Then it's all to easy to get beaten by two pair, flushes, straghts etc etc.  I also do the same with AA.  Poker is a game of 5 cards not 2 and it's too easy to crack aces/king, especially if you don't help yourself by betting weakly.  I adopted this attitude after having aces cracked once too many times.

The only time I really slow play Aces or Kings is heads up but other than that, I just want to take the pot asap.

[SupaMonkey]

You want to make a make a decent raise so that if an ace comes down you can be fairly sure you're behind and get out cheaply. You are raising to narrow the range of hands your opponent is likely to hold.

[Royal Flush]

why would you want to scare people off though?

 

[mikkyT]

I didnt want to scare anyone off, because I had just won the last 2 hands either on the flop or preflop with little profits. So I slow played the kings with a small raise, and then didnt like the flop. The table was full of fish, but holding the ace was the most likely for at least one of them, especially after the call from mateyboy2.

Guess I'm second guessing myself too much trying to get into the swing of things.

[thetank]

Just because they both had mince, doesn't mean the flop pass was a bad play.

[Claw75]

Because with KK you can be beaten by any caller with Ace rag which you certainly don't want.  

surely the raise made here was enough to scare off Ace rag though?  I don't think an extra couple of blinds is going to be enough to get rid of AK, AQ, AJ, and you don't want to scare off all the other hands you're beating either.  KK isn't a hand I just want to pick up blinds/limps with (and chances are an Ace won't come on the flop anyhow)

[Claw75]

I didnt want to scare anyone off, because I had just won the last 2 hands either on the flop or preflop with little profits. So I slow played the kings with a small raise, and then didnt like the flop. The table was full of fish, but holding the ace was the most likely for at least one of them, especially after the call from mateyboy2.

Guess I'm second guessing myself too much trying to get into the swing of things.

I would have played it exactly the same Mikky

[Graham C]

It wont get rid of AJ or above but it will get rid of the majority of lesser hands - like the QJ off suit for example.    I'd rather just get the chips in and see who really wants to play the hand.

That's just the way I'd have played it anyway.